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Number Of Crew In NYC At One Time  
User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6233 times:

This may be a dumb question, but with some foreign airlines having multiple daily flights to JFK and EWR, how many crew members (flight and cabin) does BA, AF, LH, etc. have staying in the city at a time?

I don't care where they are staying, just how many of them and for how long?

If this has already been thoroughly discussed can someone please link it.

thanks!

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User currently offlineTwoLz2Rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Well, can someone tell me how many crew are on the 747, 777, A343, A346?

User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

for an airline like BA having maybe 12 or more crews constantly in NYC, which equals more than 200 rooms, would it not make sense to have dedicated hotels that are run by the airline, situated at a location that is near to airport, providing services specially for them and so on.

If they all stay in the same hotel, then maybe anyway 50% of that hotel is constantly booked by that airline.


User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6003 times:



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 2):
dedicated hotels that are run by the airline

BA do, although their demand is so high that I believe they have to take additional rooms

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 2):
situated at a location that is near to airport

well that wouldn't be very attractive would it? Go to NYC overnight and stay at the JFK Crowne Plaza? The BA hotel is somewhere in Manhattan.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5982 times:
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BA crews want the full New York experience, they stay in Manhattan. Only US airlines do the JFK to LHR and back in 30 hours. AA crews will fly an overnight from JFL to LHR arriving at say 6:00am, then they will rest all day and fly back on a 6pm LHR to JFK flight arriving in New York at 8:30pm. AA crews stay at a LHR area hotel.

User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Plenty of sub 18hr slips in JFK and EWR, not shorter than that because of the flight schedules.

User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5901 times:



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 2):

If they all stay in the same hotel, then maybe anyway 50% of that hotel is constantly booked by that airline.

I wondered the same thing. Would it make sense in certain cities for certain airlines
to OWN instead of RENT ? I believe Pan Am was in the hotel business at one time.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5885 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 6):
I wondered the same thing. Would it make sense in certain cities for certain airlines
to OWN instead of RENT ? I believe Pan Am was in the hotel business at one time.

Owning a hotel requires capital, which instead could be invested in more productive assets. Such as aircrafts.....


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5861 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 6):
believe Pan Am was in the hotel business at one time.

Many airlines were in the hotel biz as well.

PA-Intercontinental
TW-Hilton International
UA-Westin

I'm sure there where others as well. I know AA had a chain, but I can't remember which chain.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5655 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 6):
I wondered the same thing. Would it make sense in certain cities for certain airlines
to OWN instead of RENT ? I believe Pan Am was in the hotel business at one time.

NWA has owned its own hotel at Narita for many years. It used to be run by Radisson, and maybe still is.


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

BA did own a block in the upper east side, its now sold and leased back for BAs exclusive use and is used by majority of JFK slipping crews.

User currently offlineTwolz2rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

so back on topic, HOW MANY crew members from BA, AF, LH, etc. will be in the city at one time?

User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5468 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 8):
I'm sure there where others as well. I know AA had a chain, but I can't remember which chain.

Even PSA (the origninal, intra-California Pacific Southwest Airlines; not the US Airways regional) was in the hotel (and IIRC, rental car) business for a while --

"The plan was expanded with hotel purchases. The Islandia in San Diego, San Franciscan in SFO, Queen Mary Hotel at LGB (Long Beach service started in 1971), and PSA Hollywood Park hotel were all acquired or built. Again, the hotels lost money and were leased to Hyatt in 1974 (later divested.)"

And PSA was hardly PanAm or TWA....



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5445 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 8):
Many airlines were in the hotel biz as well.

PA-Intercontinental
TW-Hilton International
UA-Westin

I'm sure there where others as well.

AF owned Meridien Hotels for many years. LH had a major interest in a hotel chain called Penta. NH also owned hotels; not sure if they still do.


User currently offlineDon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5349 times:

JAL has Nikko and ANA has ANA brand hotels, I am not too sure about ANA but JAL has been selling the overseas Nikkos for the past few years. Chicago, Atlanta, Bangkok etc.

User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

BA around 120 per night

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

The BA crew hotel on the upper east side is one of my favourites, because only BA crew use it is feels like a 'home away from home'.

It is a 34 floor narrow building with reception/concierge and a smoking courtyard on the ground floor, a bar which also provides free muffins/pastries/tea/coffee in the mornings a floor up. The floor above that is the crew lounge with sofas, PC's, wifi, widescreen TVs and the gym next floor up. Then the accommodation floors above with 4 rooms per floor.

As mentioned in other posts the building was owned by BA but sold after 9/11. BA now leases back the building and it is managed by the fitzpatrick hotel group who provide staff etc.

BA has 7 x 747's and 1 x 777 and 1 x 767 into JFK a day so that is a total of 143 crew per day staying in NYC. The 767 crew and 1 of the 747 crew stay at a different hotel near grand central.

Crews operating the 3 x daily EWR flights stay in NJ.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

I've often wondered why airlines don't own company hotels at hub airports. Take DL for example. There is a constant flow of DL people staying at all the hotels around the training center. We live in these hotels for weeks while we are in town for schools. Why not just buy one place and have a hotel chain operate it only for company personnel?

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Most airlines flying into EWR and JFK have their crews staying in Manhatten. Lufthansa used to be for quite a few years at the Crowne Plaza Timesquare at some point LY, IB and KL were also there but over the past 2 years LH remained but they also left at the begining of the year. It was a nice sight though as from early afternoon till the later evenign hours there were all the time LH crews leaving or arriving.

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 2):

If they all stay in the same hotel, then maybe anyway 50% of that hotel is constantly booked by that airline.

There are some airlines such as LX that have the GVA and one ZRH crew in one hotel and the crew from the 2nd ZRH flight in another hotel at least this was the case until recently. I guess for the deals the hotels give airlines, depedning on the amount of rooms a hotel has it's only worth it to give a certain percentage of rooms away. Then I know that there is another airline that splits their crews up and puts their cockpit crew and pursers in a 5 star hotel and the rest of the crew into a lower class hotel, which is a interesting way to save costs but a bit discriminating in my opinion to split up the crew.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4907 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 16):
The BA crew hotel on the upper east side is one of my favourites, because only BA crew use it is feels like a 'home away from home'.

It is a 34 floor narrow building with reception/concierge and a smoking courtyard on the ground floor, a bar which also provides free muffins/pastries/tea/coffee in the mornings a floor up. The floor above that is the crew lounge with sofas, PC's, wifi, widescreen TVs and the gym next floor up. Then the accommodation floors above with 4 rooms per floor.

As mentioned in other posts the building was owned by BA but sold after 9/11. BA now leases back the building and it is managed by the fitzpatrick hotel group who provide staff etc.

BA has 7 x 747's and 1 x 777 and 1 x 767 into JFK a day so that is a total of 143 crew per day staying in NYC. The 767 crew and 1 of the 747 crew stay at a different hotel near grand central.

Crews operating the 3 x daily EWR flights stay in NJ.

Yes its a very nice looking hotel and the pilot rooms have some amazing views... me personally I just cant look down lol.

BA also has 2 addtionals flights that do not stay in the BA hotel but stay in another property that is operated by the same company in midtown east.


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

I'm quite surprised,

There was no mention of the grandest hotel of them all- Mesa Airline's "DelRio" in Phoenix, in a wonderful part of town I might add.

When I first became a FA I had the privilege of working for Mesa. I have to say that after leaving I have found that working for Mesa wasn't great, but not nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be.

The Del Rio on the other hand was a privately owned and operated hotel in PHX for training flight crews, flight attendants, and overnights.

It was an old, very rundown, 1950s building. There was a large, sinister, mid-evil fence around the perimeter, and for good reason, as it definitely wasn't located in a friendly part of town. I remember several nights having helicopters fly over with search lights on as various police unit vehicles raced down the street.

The rooms were hidious, I can't even describe the beds and bathrooms. The five weeks I spent in that place was pure hell.

Now years later I talk to friends, best friends in-fact, and we are all at various major airlines now and we laugh about those days at Mesa, but I can't help but think staying there made us all a little bit closer.


User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Ah, the famous Del Rio (read Ghetto). Did you know that JO himself owns it? And yes it is a lovely toursit spot...Actually not a good place to be after sunset, that goes for the entire west side of Mesa, (for non locals, that is anything Country Club and west, a good messure would be to back that up to Center St., IMHO).

When I first moved to the Valley and was waiting on my apartment to get ready for move in, I stayed at a place a couple blocks south of the Del Ghetto, same type of characters and same show of police force.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4605 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
BA crews want the full New York experience, they stay in Manhattan. Only US airlines do the JFK to LHR and back in 30 hours. AA crews will fly an overnight from JFL to LHR arriving at say 6:00am, then they will rest all day and fly back on a 6pm LHR to JFK flight arriving in New York at 8:30pm. AA crews stay at a LHR area hotel.

Never heard that one before, maybe its just an AA thing because I know that UA, NW and such typically have around 24hrs downtime on international flights.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
NWA has owned its own hotel at Narita for many years. It used to be run by Radisson, and maybe still is.

NW sold the hotel a long time ago unfortunately.



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Monday to Friday there is a total of 181 crew arriving at the two New York airports.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4389 times:
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Quoting LXA340 (Reply 18):
Then I know that there is another airline that splits their crews up and puts their cockpit crew and pursers in a 5 star hotel and the rest of the crew into a lower class hotel, which is a interesting way to save costs but a bit discriminating in my opinion to split up the crew.

A lot of the Asian airlines continue to do that. I believe that SQ puts its cockpit crew up at one hotel, and cabin crew in another hotel at most locations...ditto for TG at some destinations...

[Edited 2008-08-04 22:46:13]

25 BURules : Pilots/FA's staying at different hotels is not uncommon at many US carriers, either. At one large US carrier, there is significant language in the FA
26 VC10DC10 : Here in DC you can find VS and KE crews at the Omni Shoreham and LH crews at the Hilton on Connecticut Avenue (incidentally the same one at which Reag
27 Jfk777 : I was in Hong Kong about 10 years ago at the Excelsior Hotel in Causeway Bay and teh SQ boys showed up but no Singapore Girls. I wonder if this has a
28 RJpieces : Interesting thread...I imagine some pilots and F/As bid based on which hotel and hotel locations they enjoy. I've seen KE pilots at that Hilton as wel
29 VC10DC10 : ... But I'm willing to bet that the likes of AA and WN aren't springing for the Omni
30 Viscount724 : When BA was still BOAC, for quite a few years their captains stayed at different (better) hotels than the rest of the cockpit and cabin crew.
31 Wilkes : TG cabin crews stay at the same hotel I am at 2x a month in Midtown Manhattan. They generally check in mid-morning.
32 LXA340 : In Zurich the entire crew stays at the same hotel at the Crowne Plaza, which is a 10 minute tram ride away from the city center meaning the hotel is
33 Co 757-300 : i always see AF crews at the novotel at 52nd and broadway in NYC
34 BNinMSY : American Airlines had a subsidary == Americana Hotels .. I believe either the Sheraton NY or Sheraton Manhattan were at one time an Ameicana Hotel. Th
35 LXA340 : They stay mainly at Novotel / Sofitel hotels around the world. Doesnt the hotel group belong to AF?
36 Goldorak : No. These brands are part of the ACCOR group. Accor and AF have a partnership agreement for hotel + plane bookings and, yes, crews are most of the ti
37 SeansasLCY : In HKG, Turkish Airlines cabin crew stay at the Eaton Hotel on Nathan Road but i've never seen the pilots while i've seen the women everytime i've sta
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