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DL Adds Seasonal ATL-GRU Frequency  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11121

Quote:
ATLANTA, July 29, 2008 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced a new seasonal nonstop flight between Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and São Paulo’s Guarulhos Airport in Brazil, starting Dec. 20, 2008. The new daytime frequency will operate three times weekly and will complement Delta’s year-round, nightly nonstop service to São Paulo from Atlanta and New York-JFK.

This addt'l frequency, lasting through February 15, will be operated by the 767-400ER on Saturdays, Sundays, and Wednesdays.

Where does the aircraft come from? My guess would be the one bound for JNB.  

[Edited 2008-07-29 20:02:37]

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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3741 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Where does the aircraft come from? My guess would be the one bound for JNB.

basically then what your telling us in no uncertain terms is that JNB will be getting one of the new and coveted 77L's?


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3727 times:



Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 1):

I respectfully opt out of answering that question.  Smile


User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3716 times:



Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 1):
basically then what your telling us in no uncertain terms is that JNB will be getting one of the new and coveted 77L's?

From what I have heard, this is true.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Several destinations receive the 767-400 during the summer out of ATL, they get downgraded to the 767-300 during the winter. This plane will probably come from the DKR-ATL flight because it gets in around 6am, but it does not mean that JNB will be getting the 77L. During the last conference call with the DL director of network management someone did ask about JNB getting the 77L, and the answer was along the lines of...."we are looking into it".

User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

trying to stay on topic here and not get into a discussion on 77L deliveries (gonna be tough) the date of the 2nd seasonal GRU flight almost times with the delivery of the 3rd 77L. Here is the time line for 77L deliveries:

Looking at the delivery schedule some more, additional news has to be forthcoming from Delta on new international routes:


N701DN 7101 2/28/08
N702DN 7102 3/21/08
N703DN 7103 12/31/08 <---------------- 3rd 77L delivery
N704DK 7104 1/31/09
N705DN 7105 1/31/09
N706DN 7106 1/31/09
N707DN 7107 2/28/09
N708DN 7108 3/31/09
N709DN 7109 6/30/10 (OPTION)
N710DN 7110 7/31/10 (OPTION)
N711DY 7111 9/30/10 (OPTION)


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Probably the 767-400 will come from BCN,CPH or DUB being downgraded back to a 767-300ER.

Back to bed conspiracy theorists!


User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

This news is a little confusing, because flight #145 is already operating to GRU from ATL, I saw it back on July 6th.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3498 times:



Quoting BRJ (Reply 7):

This is an additional frequency and will operate as DL 105 in addition to DAL 145.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4931 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3479 times:
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DL105 / 104 is the regular ATL-GRU-ATL flight;
DL145 / 144 is the seasonal ATL-GRU-ATL flight, which happens in the summer and winter peak seasons.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

According to Glen's online chat with employees Delta is looking to
fly to JNB NONSTOP with the 77L. again according to his chat.
As far as the 764's, I thought the plan was to have the remaining a/c converted
to international by early 09?


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3453 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 10):
According to Glen's online chat with employees Delta is looking to
fly to JNB NONSTOP with the 77L. again according to his chat.
As far as the 764's, I thought the plan was to have the remaining a/c converted
to international by early 09?

yes and they are.



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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

would like to see some 764's in JFK

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

you will see 240 seat a/c in JFK... either the 764 or 332.

There is no need for an additional a/c for the seasonal flight... the regular nightime plane simply turns around to make up the daytime flight instead of sitting all day in GRU. DL has been using the 764 to GRU for a while now so it is baked into the plan.

By next summer, you will see different a/c in Brazil thanks to NW's big widebodies.  Smile


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3283 times:



Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 12):

would like to see some 764's in JFK

Wont see many flights out of JFK. AFAIK the only 764 base now is ATL. So they would have to fly ATL-XXX-JFK-XXX-ATL.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3277 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
This addt'l frequency, lasting through February 15, will be operated by the 767-400ER on Saturdays, Sundays, and Wednesdays.

This is a customary added capacity by DL in GRU. It is interesting to point out that DL has a Crown Lounge in GRU (very good I must say) which is one of the only few outside North America. I think there must be only 5 or so Crown Lounges outside the US.

Where does the aircraft come from? My guess would be the one bound for JNB.

Very good question. I think it will come from JNB as the destination will operate with B777LR?

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 5):
trying to stay on topic here and not get into a discussion on 77L deliveries (gonna be tough) the date of the 2nd seasonal GRU flight almost times with the delivery of the 3rd 77L. Here is the time line for 77L deliveries:

This is a pertinent point, do you think there is any chance for DL to operate GRU with the B777LR? I ask this because the aircraft has the new seats and now AA for example will deploy 5 daily B777s to GRU with the new seats.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
DL105 / 104 is the regular ATL-GRU-ATL flight;
DL145 / 144 is the seasonal ATL-GRU-ATL flight, which happens in the summer and winter peak seasons.



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
DL has been using the 764 to GRU for a while now so it is baked into the plan.

100% correct. The added seasonal flight proved a winner and will come back. DL cannot increase capacity in GRU year-around because of restrictions in the bilateral so they increase capacity during peak seasons extra-bilateral.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
By next summer, you will see different a/c in Brazil thanks to NW's big widebodies.

Very interesting. Could you elaborate a bit more? Perhaps NW B747 will land in GRU?

Rgs,


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

This period is an extremely busy and profitable period. The fact that they won't need another plane and not need to pay parking fees all day at GRU will only add to the bottom line.

Delta will be making big bucks.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
By next summer, you will see different a/c in Brazil thanks to NW's big widebodies. Smile

Hmmm. . I don't know. Unless you have some information we don't have, I wouldn't be so sure. I think daylight flight for seasonal ops like they are doing will suffice.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):


This is a pertinent point, do you think there is any chance for DL to operate GRU with the B777LR? I ask this because the aircraft has the new seats and now AA for example will deploy 5 daily B777s to GRU with the new seats.

No
Starting in 2009 the last 9 764s will get the new C seat. The 77Es will also get the new C seat. Not sure when though.

[Edited 2008-07-30 09:49:32]


yep.
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
Very good question. I think it will come from JNB as the destination will operate with B777LR?

Or CPH,DUB or BCN which all go back to a 300 during the winter. (I would say this is the more likely option.) The 77Ls can not make JNB-ATL with cargo and its possible They would have to leave PAX in JNB also.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3193 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
No
Starting in 2009 the last 9 764s will get the new C seat. The 77Es will also get the new C seat. Not sure when though.

Thanks for this important information and I assume GRU will be one of the first destinations to received the refitted B764. DL also used the B777 seasonally last Winter in GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
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Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
This addt'l frequency, lasting through February 15, will be operated by the 767-400ER on Saturdays, Sundays, and Wednesdays.


And this year, seems that they will not offer daylight service to GIG

[Edited 2008-07-30 12:07:43]


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
And this year, seems that they will not offer daylight service to GIG

But on the other hand GIG will get upgraded as some of the services operated by DL will be with the B764


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7707 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

No surprise on the additional frequencies. Theyve been doing it for a while.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
Very interesting. Could you elaborate a bit more? Perhaps NW B747 will land in GRU?

Thats what I keep hearing, that ATL-GRU will go 744. Whether thats a good thing, im not sure. DL's 777's and NW's 330's are much nicer than the 744's.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3032 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
No surprise on the additional frequencies. Theyve been doing it for a while.

Indeed.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Thats what I keep hearing, that ATL-GRU will go 744. Whether thats a good thing, im not sure. DL's 777's and NW's 330's are much nicer than the 744's.

I disagree. NW B747 are now all refitted with the new business class and offer a spacious cabin, especially in the front nose of the aircraft. I would not be surprised if DL/NW decide to operate ATL-GRU with the B747. Seeing NW in GRU is a feeling of having another KLM operation. NW and KL are so linked together that they are like brother and sister...

Rgs,


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3009 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 15):
Perhaps NW B747 will land in GRU?

DL can't increase frequencies into GIG or GRU under the new bilateral. DL will continue to grow in Brazil and will increase the amount of Asia to Latin traffic that flows through ATL. There aren't a whole lot of 744 sized markets over the Atlantic. GRU makes sense operationally and from a demand standpoint.


25 Hardiwv : This was the point above. Since DL cannot increase frequencies to GRU the best way out would be to deploy NW B747 ATL-GRU which would substantially b
26 DiscoverCSG : What will be the times of the ATL-GRU rotations?
27 Incitatus : GRU has serious gate limitations when it comes to 747s and 77Ws. Delta may find itself having to bus passengers to/from a remote stand on a permanent
28 DeltaL1011man : Yes but Y sucks. Chances are they will put DL's new C seat on the 744s anyways. Not big deal
29 DiscoverCSG : Right, it's not like they're doing quick turns (plane) or tight connections (pax).
30 Jfk777 : AA uses their 777-200ER for size, only a few services for range. AA 777 are really concentrated on GRU, EZE, NRT adn LHR. ORD to Delhi is the longest
31 Incitatus : Wrong. I respectfully suggest that you do not be so quick in dismissing an issue about an airport that you seem not to know very well. Not all gates
32 Hardiwv : I find it hard to understand your point. This because I personally think that in GRU normally a gate assigned for the B767 or B772 can also serve the
33 Incitatus : You and I know which gate KLM uses. It can take all types of aircraft because it is at the corner of the concourse edge. That is not the case of gate
34 MCOAviationFan : The 767-400 will begin receiving the lie flat seats in BE during the 2nd quarter of 2009. I believe the 777 fleet will also be undergoing mods to lie
35 C010T3 : The problem is the wingspan, not the passenger capacity.
36 MaverickM11 : GRU takes a lot more plane time than a turn across the Atlantic or Pacific, so that has to be factored in as well.
37 Hardiwv : KL gate is not at the edge of the concourse but along the concourse, actually one of the first gates of the concourse. I can tell you that this flood
38 Incitatus : I think not. It uses one of the five outer gates. When it was located in T2, it used the SE corner with 747. The last update I heard said that Air Ca
39 Hardiwv : Come on, you want to dispute my argument? As a frequent flyer of KL I can ensure you in good authority that KL uses the gates along the concourse eve
40 C010T3 : I'm not sure, but it's possible. That would explain the domestic sectors on that side.
41 Incitatus : I know you are a very frequent KLM traveler. The gate I am referring to can be seen in the wikipedia photo of the Guarulhos page with a KLM 777 parke
42 Post contains links and images Hardiwv : 100% correct the picture illustrates quite well the gate of KLM. Now we agree! Thanks for the great picture! You will note that this gate, however, i
43 B777ER : Check my post history. I have been saying this for a while. 77L nonstop ATL-JNB. DL wants out of that DKR stopover nightmare (for a variety of reason
44 Hardiwv : I agree that the DKR stop-over is a disruption for DL operations in JNB, no doubt about it. Does DL still operate the stop-over in ACC or ACC is dedi
45 MCOAviationFan : ACC has never been used as a stopover. DL operates a nonstop from JFK. IIRC, it began as a 4 times weekly flight and is operating 5 or 6 times weekly
46 Hardiwv : You are right and I can also confirm that DL flight to ACC has indeed shown strong performance so far (at least in terms of loads), especially becaus
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