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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

We've heard the confirmation that Ek will have two showers installed in the forward F class cabin on their new A380, but at what expense.

According to a radio show here in the USA called Marketplace (broadcast on NPR) the showers will require the storage of 1 ton of fresh wate and showers will be limited to only 5 min each. Also, every every use the individual shower stalls will have to be cleaned by cabin crew.

Seems like a considerable amount of extra weight. Plus, 5 min is probably not long enough to have a proper shower.

Stratagies to offset the extra weight include the removal of all printed inflight magazones, to a purely IFE based system, as well as, you guessed it, new stringent limits on the weight of all checked bags.

Having showers on an airliner seems awfully gimmicky to me. Why inconvenience the bulk of paying passengers for something that really only going to benefit a small niche?

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21526 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 14721 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
Seems like a considerable amount of extra weight. Plus, 5 min is probably not long enough to have a proper shower.

 checkmark  This whole thing seems to be more trouble than it's worth. I'm sure EK could come up with a very high quality arrivals lounge at airports that the 380 will fly into, and there passengers can take all the shower that they want.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 14637 times:

Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
According to a radio show here in the USA called Marketplace (broadcast on NPR) the showers will require the storage of 1 ton of fresh wate and showers will be limited to only 5 min each. Also, every every use the individual shower stalls will have to be cleaned by cabin crew

According to Airbus / EK it´s 500 kg of water and make A380 heavier, to me the showers is a total no brainer

//Micke   

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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 hours ago) and read 14593 times:

It is more for show than for use... first class passengers can shower at the lounge when before they depart. It would be great to have a shower on board, but to be honest I would rather have more flexibility in terms of checked baggage.

So does the shower cut off after 5 minutes? It would be terrible if you were about to wash your shampoo off and then the water cut off.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 hours ago) and read 14456 times:

At first I thought this was a bit gimmicky as well, but I have just had the opportunity to view the showers up close and personal and think it's a very functional facility.

First, the 5-minute time limit is quite feasible, IMHO. You will have a light "gauge" informing you how much time you have left, and unless you're giving your hair a really thorough wash, that should probably be enough time for most people. Second, the shower suite is much more spacious than I thought it would be. There's plenty of room to dry off, dress, etc. in the suite, and it has very nice facilities.

As for the logistics, I do think cleaning could be an issue, but as each passenger must make an appointment to use the shower, I think they can space things out adequately. I think a bigger issue might be the fact that the only lavatories in first class are located within the shower suite -- therefore, if both showers are in use, other F pax will need to retreat back into business class to use the facilities. As there will only be a maximum of 14 first passengers, however, this will only be a minor issue.

As for the weight, word on the street is that Emirates made up for this by removing footrests in economy. I have no idea if this is true or not.



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 hours ago) and read 14404 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
Why inconvenience the bulk of paying passengers for something that really only going to benefit a small niche?

Because that small niche actually pays for it?

After all, why are economy pax seated in cramped seats in the back, whereas F class pax have their own suites up front? If airlines made less wasteful use of the floorspace in F class, Y class pax could have more personal space too...


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Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
5 min is probably not long enough to have a proper shower

5 min is more than enough to shower.
I can take a shower in less than 3 minutes and feel totally refreshed!

You're not supposed to stand under the streaming water for 15 minutes you know, be it in the air or at your home! When you do, you're just wasting precious water!


Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
After every use the individual shower stalls will have to be cleaned by cabin crew.

EK has decided to put 2 crew members (not cabin crew) on board of each of their A380s who will do nothing else than clean the plane in flight, so that the many advantages the Queen of the Skies offers their premium pax are always readily available to pax in the best possible condition. No big deal at all.

Just as Airbus and the A380 customers have been saying for years, much to the disbelief of those who lacked vision: the A380 will really be changing the game in the fight over premium long haul passengers. The times when all they got was a wider seat, some more leg room and more movies on their IFE to choose from are definitely over: as from now the standards are set at a personal suite with a bed:

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a dedicated lounge,

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5727 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 hours ago) and read 14299 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Just as Airbus and the A380 customers have been saying for years, much to the disbelief of those who lacked vision:

We naysayers don't lack vision in the least.
We simply remember what happened with the 747.
The bird started life with five lounges, one of which consumed the entire upper deck and carried a piano. Coach seating was 3-4-2 abreast.
What happened? All floorspace was converted to seating, and coach got an extra seat in every row.


We lack vision? Nay- you live in a pipe dream.

And- go figure- you're going to make 400 Y and J passengers pay more in luggage fines and have NO hardcopy reading material, just so that 14 people can spend 5 miniscule minutes getting rinsed off. 14 times 5 is 70. That's a total of 70 minutes of showering, at the cost of 400 people being bored for up to fourteen hours.

LUDICROUS.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
You're not supposed to stand under the streaming water for 15 minutes you know, be it in the air or at your home! When you do, you're just wasting precious water!

Odd. I would have thought that the 'premium passenger' who has multiple thousands of Dollars to spend on first class travel would not be accustomed to limiting their shower time.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
you're just wasting precious water!

Those of us who live in communities with abundant fresh water that melts off of mountains every day aren't subject to such thinking. Our water is going to thaw and run into the sea regardless of whether or not I drink it, stand under it, flush it, or wash clothes with it.
Therefore, other people cannot tell me what I should and should not do with resources I have available to me.
When I lived in Texas, we were running out of water, so I installed 5-liter flush toilets in my home to help out. And I didn't have to be told by someone else to do so.

Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
Having showers on an airliner seems awfully gimmicky to me.

Yup. Enough said.
It's an interesting novelty, but a horribly uneconomical idea. It'll last a couple years, and then go the way of Virgin's manicure bar- the passengers were using the bar in their airport lounge anyway, so take it out of the plane and sell another seat!


User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

Passengers are just a special case of freight. If passengers are prepared to pay the freight cost of the water for their showers as part of their ticket cost, why not? If the cost is displaced onto other passengers, then that is another matter. Getting rid of footrests, for example, is not only very tough on those passengers who can't rest their legs, but a health issue, especially over long flights.

I imagine EK have done the costings to a fine degree. And doubt they would threaten their cattle class just to provide showers for first. If they want showers, let them pay for every drop as freight, just as they pay for using so much more space and for the cost of extra crew, food, individualization, pyjamas etc.

Pressing hundreds of people in cattle class conditions whilst a few people are treated like Roman senators elsewhere on the plane might seem a bit pre-1789, but it's just about the money paid for the service. Cattle pay for a flying bus; First pay for a flying 5-star hotel.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14229 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Because that small niche actually pays for it?

Well, if ALL passengers on the plane have to adhere to stricter luggage rules, then Y and C pax have to pay in a way too, don't they?

I agree with the people who say it's a gimmick. Still, gimmicks can be a good thing, and though not always the most practical or popular, they keep the spirit of innovation going.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14206 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
And- go figure- you're going to make 400 Y and J passengers pay more in luggage fines and have NO hardcopy reading material, just so that 14 people can spend 5 miniscule minutes getting rinsed off. 14 times 5 is 70. That's a total of 70 minutes of showering, at the cost of 400 people being bored for up to fourteen hours.

Wow. So it's F's fault that somebody flies Y. I have never read any on-board material apart from the safety card. I bring my own book and iPod and I am as happy as I will get.

I have flown EK F several times, and I loved it. But I have also flown Y faaar more often, and hardly hold it against those up front...

Sounds like jealousy to me.

Quoting Antskip (Reply 7):
Getting rid of footrests, for example, is not only very tough on those passengers who can't rest their legs, but a health issue, especially over long flights.

I found it the opposite, the footrests I found led to me not moving my feet, thus increasing the risk of DVT. It also led to a couple of sore shins along the way somewhere...

[Edited 2008-07-30 02:42:48]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21526 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14201 times:



Quoting Antskip (Reply 7):
Getting rid of footrests, for example, is not only very tough on those passengers who can't rest their legs, but a health issue, especially over long flights.

I'm actually happy that the footrests in Y are going. The things never helped me, and they just got in the way. Good riddance.

-Mir



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8871 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14166 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
According to a radio show here in the USA called Marketplace (broadcast on NPR) the showers will require the storage of 1 ton of fresh wate and showers will be limited to only 5 min each. Also, every every use the individual shower stalls will have to be cleaned by cabin crew.

Seems like a considerable amount of extra weight. Plus, 5 min is probably not long enough to have a proper shower.

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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14128 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
and have NO hardcopy reading material,

Why so passive?

Does Emirates not provide enough free entertainment with their splendid IFE?

http://www.emirates.com/english/flyi...inment/inflight_entertainment.aspx

But if you must have "hardcopy" are you incapable of buying a book, or bringing your own reading material for what you know will be a long flight?

Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
5 min is probably not long enough to have a proper shower.

All my water comes from a rain water tank. I have an excellent, thorough shower in less than three minutes.

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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14126 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
According to a radio show here in the USA called Marketplace (broadcast on NPR) the showers will require the storage of 1 ton of fresh wate and showers will be limited to only 5 min each. Also, every every use the individual shower stalls will have to be cleaned by cabin crew.

i work for emirates and i can tell you the information you have is wrong. the shower time is 15 minuites and not 5



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User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

What still has not been explained is how this water is going to be heated. Heating enough water for passengers who will settle for nothing less than pristine 114 degree F Evian water is going to be quite a debacle, plus so much for being so green.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 hours ago) and read 13735 times:



Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 16):
What still has not been explained is how this water is going to be heated

Those 4 massive engines each have a very powerful generator, more than capable to provide some electricity to a few heating elements in the tank.

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 16):
...so much for being so green.

Didn't know that going electrical on planes was considered wasteful...


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3874 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 hours ago) and read 13684 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
And- go figure- you're going to make 400 Y and J passengers pay more in luggage fines and have NO hardcopy reading material, just so that 14 people can spend 5 miniscule minutes getting rinsed off. 14 times 5 is 70. That's a total of 70 minutes of showering, at the cost of 400 people being bored for up to fourteen hours.

Right, because the inflight magazine is going to keep an adult entertained for up to fourteen hours - I personally spend five minutes perusing it and then pick up my book or PDA.

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 16):
What still has not been explained is how this water is going to be heated. Heating enough water for passengers who will settle for nothing less than pristine 114 degree F Evian water is going to be quite a debacle, plus so much for being so green.



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 17):
Those 4 massive engines each have a very powerful generator, more than capable to provide some electricity to a few heating elements in the tank.

No need to use electricity, Emirates probably use excess heat from the bleed-air heat exchangers (bleed air is hot, and needs to be cooled before it can be put into the cabin).

If they do then theres no extra 'green' cost involved.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 13603 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 18):
Emirates probably use excess heat from the bleed-air heat exchangers

Technically that is a possibility indeed, although I think it would be quite complex, voluminous and costlier to maintain than just a simple electrical heating element.

How is hot water in the coffee makers heated? Remember there will be far more water heated on board to brew coffee or tea, than there will be to take a hot shower...

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 16):
so much for being so green.

Indeed! So wasteful.... maybe we should all just drink ice-tea? ROTFL

Give it up: despite the heated showers the A380 still is the only plane burning less than 3l/100PSK... Not even the bleed-less 787 can match its efficiency.

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 16):
Heating enough water for passengers who will settle for nothing less than pristine 114 degree F Evian water is going to be quite a debacle,

You think so? Let's think about it for a minute, shall we?

How much water do you need to take a 5-minutes shower? About 30 liters?

Of which maybe 5l needs to be brought up to boiling temperature, after which it can be mixed with 25l of cold water before being sent to the shower.

There are only 2 showers in the A380, each of which needs to be booked in advance (giving the F class pax a slot of around 25 minutes) so that means the A380 may -at worst- have to heat around 10l of water (about 1 bucket) at the same time, once every half an hour!!!
Definitely not the hundreds of liters of boiling water you seem to have in mind here!

For reference: at the same time, downstairs there may be more than 20 coffee makers brewing enough coffee and tea to be served along with hot breakfast to over 300 economy class pax!!!


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If you're not convinced yet, I have a stupid electrical device right here in my kitchen which I can plunge in a bucket of water to heat it up should my boiler fail and it does so perfectly in less than five minutes, guess what? It doesn't make the fuses pop, so it can't be draining that much electricity, can it?

[Edited 2008-07-30 06:56:26]

User currently offlineGmale72 From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 13517 times:

Quoting Relpy 6
"Those of us who live in communities with abundant fresh water that melts off of mountains every day aren't subject to such thinking. Our water is going to thaw and run into the sea regardless of whether or not I drink it, stand under it, flush it, or wash clothes with it.
Therefore, other people cannot tell me what I should and should not do with resources I have available to me."

I can not believe in this day and age, there are people who think like this ?
Well yes maybe you have a mountain with fresh water, but what about other parts of the world where people are without water and dying ? A typical statement from someone who clearly doesn't care about anyone else nor the environment ! selfish, glutonous, wastefull are just some words that come to mind.... go ahead take that 15 minute shower, water your garden daily, drive that SUV, leave all your lights on in your house, order the XL meal and eat only half and throw it away, but please when you do all this just remember those that are without or don't even have the choice to do that ?


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

I was just thinking about this yesterday during in-flight turbulence.

If we're supposed to remain strapped in during bumpy air, how is standing in the shower safe?


User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

Whether the shower is in an Airbus or a Boeing, I still think it is a waste of space. This is just another way to jack up ticket prices and one up the competition...

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
If we're supposed to remain strapped in during bumpy air, how is standing in the shower safe?

I was thinking the same thing. It will be pretty hard to quickly return to your seat if you are in the middle of a shower!

[Edited 2008-07-30 07:21:56]

[Edited 2008-07-30 07:22:40]


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User currently offlinePITIngres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 hours ago) and read 13307 times:



Quoting Gmale72 (Reply 20):
Well yes maybe you have a mountain with fresh water, but what about other parts of the world where people are without water and dying ?

What about trying to read and comprehend what was written? How is not using the water out of a short-course mountain stream in Alaska going to bring more water to Bangladesh or elsewhere? You sound like the old mom's line, "finish your dinner because there are starving children in China." To which the kid replies "send it to them then."

I didn't care much for Mr AA767's tone, but he's very likely right in saying that if he doesn't use the water, it's not available for anyone else. Conservation is right and proper if it means that the resource is usable by more people, or will last longer. However it's silly to insist that resource usage be limited if that limitation brings no benefit to anyone else.

Anyway, these showers sound to me like a perfectly practical gimmick that will probably last for a year or two, until the novelty wears off. Then I expect to see them quietly disappear to make room for the next gimmick. Fine with me...



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 hours ago) and read 13265 times:

The idea of the shower is great. 5 mins is all you need anyway. It will be especially useful on a 14 hour flight and around an hour before landing you could take a shower then have breakfast. This means when you step off the A/C you can go straight to your meeting or where ever you are going without wasting time having to go to a lounge. That being said this is of course for the chosen few but nice if you are one of them.

The A380 has changed the future of air travel in every class. Y class is a much nicer experience according to everyone I have spoken to who has flown on it . People who could not care what A/C they are on have told me they had a much nicer flight.

EK IMHO has the best A380 interior so far. Especially in Y class, it just looks brighter and I love the colours.


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

I don't care about showers and F class.

But what EK did right: they removed completely idiotic "footrests".

For an average male 182 cm tall it is was useless as took additional space behind the seat ahead where legs are supposed to be placed.

If we are talking about progress in Y class we'd better discuss why Thompson's seats are not used yet. It could be breakthrough in Y.


User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 hours ago) and read 13201 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Thread starter):
showers will be limited to only 5 min each

5 Minutes? That's it? Hahaha, tell that to the millionaire/billionaire F pax. Do you honestly think he/she uses water sparingly? I'm curious to know what the limit is in liters because 5 minutes doesn't say anything.



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25 ER757 : That would be my concern too. Standing on a wet, slippery floor when things get bumpy can't be too safe. I'm sure there must be a rail to grab onto i
26 Post contains images Solnabo : If 380 have 18+ hour route like SQ´s SIN-EWR I would understand showers for F class, but they dont fly that long so I dont see the need for 500 kg´s
27 CARST : This shower-while-flying idea is totally dumb. In 5 years they will be replaced by seats. Shower of 3 minutes and still have the odor of a skunk? I sh
28 BristolFlyer : You're lucky to be in that situation, I'm guessing less than 1% of the population are in the same position. Whilst your water is in abundance, the en
29 EZEIZA : The point of the showers IMHO is simply to show they can do it. It's possible, and here we are giving it to you, we did it, they (boeing and other air
30 BristolFlyer : I wonder if 2 people (eg a couple) in the first class cabin can book their 5 min showers consecutvely and have one 10 min shower. Seems like a good op
31 EZEIZA : with style
32 Hawaii12 : is there a contract that needs to be signed prior to hopping into the shower that absolves Emirates of any responsibility should someone using the sho
33 Pdxcessna206 : From a business point-of-view, why would the emirates care if they carry extra weight? That airline installs luxurious suites which I would imagine w
34 Cchan : Run back to your seat / bed (naked) immediately and fasten the seatbelt! Makes quite a lot of difference for people who just got off from a SQ A380 f
35 DocLightning : I can have a full shower in less than five minutes....
36 Flighty : The point of the shower is to make a "splash" with EK's wealthy F core customer group. They will talk about it. They will laugh about it. And they wil
37 TWFirst : The 380 is NOT the "Queen of the Skies"... nor will it ever be. That description will forever refer to the beautiful and graceful 747. "King of the S
38 Vfw614 : It is all about product differentiation. It is a unique selling point. Those USPs often are quite unnecessary, but still they are unique and help sell
39 JBirdAV8r : I agree, but maybe we should just let him bloviate about it. It's kind of like watching a kid with his favorite toy. "Mine's the best ever!" "Yours s
40 Lightsaber : Exactly! The whole point is to create buzz. That buzz will have more F class passengers looking at the EK product. I agree that they're unlikely to p
41 Mariner : You care quite a lot when the only possible source of water to your house is rain. mariner
42 Luv2cattlecall : I know they aren't doing this, but would it be logistically possible to dump the waste water somehow? That way they don't have to lug the water that m
43 UA76Heavy : Doing the math, 500 kg x 2.2 = 1100 lbs. At 8 lbs./gal., that should be about 137.5 gal. If all 14 F pax took showers, each person would be limited t
44 Fbgdavidson : But then what is the number one reason why people fly in Business or First? At a guess I'd say primarily to get away from the cramped conditions in e
45 FXramper : What market does EK plan on launching the 380 equipped with showers? LAX?
46 Lightsaber : JFK, than LHR. Once the A388 completes its weight reduction and efficiency improvement program, expect flights to SFO. LAX is another 200nm from DXB
47 Smoknbbq : I dont know about y'all, but when I get off an international flight of any length, I NEED a shower. I smell like recycled air and jet fuel. My wife ha
48 Jpax : 5 Minutes? Shudder. 3 Minutes? Double Shudder! A 30 minute shower is normal for me... I guess I'll sign up for 6 consecutive showers on the Whalejet.
49 Post contains links Antskip : The EK A380 concept is a quite simple and startlingly obvious concept: downstairs it is more or less the equivalent of a single-class economy B747-40
50 Warszawa : Anyone knows what happens to the waste water from the showers? Is it jettisoned from the aircraft as such the water is from the faucets? Or is it sent
51 MaverickM11 : Obviously it didn't work
52 Cchan : You probably need to rethink about your airline and aircraft choices. I don't smell like jet fuel and recycled air after most of the flights I have t
53 JBirdAV8r : I'm 99.9999% sure it's stored in a wastewater tank and serviced on arrival. Soap's not harmless to an aircraft's exterior, for sure, let alone pee an
54 Ag92 : It seems more of a gimmick to me, but if I were told that I could fly either Emirates Suites or Singapore Airlines Suites, I would go for the Emirates
55 Post contains images Warszawa : I'm about 99% certain that everything that goes down the sink in an aircraft is vented via a vent on the belly, at least on the majority of airliners
56 Mir : No extra mass there. You can't be heavier when you land than when you take off. -Mir
57 Allrite : Perhaps the showers are designed to be booked by passengers on behalf of their fellow passengers. Let's say the ambience of 1st class is being ruined
58 Signol : I don't know if this counts but I once had a shower on a train With the movement, and cramped cubicle, it was ... interesting! (it was on Queensland R
59 MedAv : Uhhhh, this might offend the finicky morals of the Sheiks. Heck, even Singapore 'banned' sex from their suites.
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EVA Awaits More Details On Possible China Flights posted Thu Nov 1 2001 15:14:14 by Cx74b
Experiences on Emirates B777 in economy class? posted Sun Sep 21 2003 17:13:23 by Mxp
More Widebodies On U.S. National Routes Again? posted Tue Jul 29 2008 07:15:07 by DIA
Yet More Danger On CO - Rockets! posted Thu Jul 3 2008 12:23:31 by DiscoverCSG
AA: MIA-MAD To A 772; No More 772s On RDU/BOS-LHR posted Sat Jun 28 2008 15:20:42 by MAH4546
Could SAS Group Make More Money On Simplier Fleet? posted Fri Jun 20 2008 03:29:06 by OyKIE
Details On AA 295 posted Sun May 11 2008 15:52:06 by Albird87
Pre-assigned Seats On BA - J Class? posted Sat Mar 8 2008 14:21:41 by Ansett767
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EVA Awaits More Details On Possible China Flights posted Thu Nov 1 2001 15:14:14 by Cx74b
Experiences on Emirates B777 in economy class? posted Sun Sep 21 2003 17:13:23 by Mxp
More Widebodies On U.S. National Routes Again? posted Tue Jul 29 2008 07:15:07 by DIA
Yet More Danger On CO - Rockets! posted Thu Jul 3 2008 12:23:31 by DiscoverCSG
AA: MIA-MAD To A 772; No More 772s On RDU/BOS-LHR posted Sat Jun 28 2008 15:20:42 by MAH4546
Could SAS Group Make More Money On Simplier Fleet? posted Fri Jun 20 2008 03:29:06 by OyKIE
Details On AA 295 posted Sun May 11 2008 15:52:06 by Albird87
Pre-assigned Seats On BA - J Class? posted Sat Mar 8 2008 14:21:41 by Ansett767