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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8050 times:

Email from the heir apparent John Tague just sent out this afternoon

"My fellow employees,
United today filed a lawsuit asking a federal court to stop ALPA and certain pilots from engaging in organized and unlawful job actions that have resulted in hundreds of flight cancellations. These actions have had a serious adverse impact on our customers and our company – and they make everyone’s job harder."

Letter goes on on how the company tried to resolve the differences....appears mostly due to sick calls by junior soon to be furloughed pilots in the 737 fleet egged on by a small group of pilots and by ALPA per the UA suit.

I am quite sure ALPA will have a slightly different take on it,

76 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24888 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8011 times:

Here is the UA press release on the situation

United Takes Action to Protect Customers, Employees
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080730/aqw538.html?.v=15



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

After other events in history, ALPA takes a very very strong stand within itself against unlawful job action. At my company, ALPA reps won't even acknowledge you when you mention anything of the like and we often get reminded that ALPA wants nothing to do with it.

Of course, ALPA cannot control the individual actions of its members. If a smaller group chooses to do something such as what United claims, ALPA can't control that either and definitely will not endorse it.

My guess is that United is blowing the whole thing out of proportion. Airlines seem to think that pilots getting sick is always a job action without realizing that many airlines have sick-call rates lower than average compared to other industries, even without considering the exposure to germs in airports/cockpits/hotels/public places, lack of healthy and nourishing food/sleep, etc. If there is any substance to their claims, guaranteed that it is just a small group acting on their own and what they're doing is not endorsed by ALPA.


It really is sad when you run a company so horribly that suing your own employees is an acceptable and necessary way of doing business, much less the fact that your employees feel they are treated so badly that they are doing that are lawsuit worthy.


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7973 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2):
My guess is that United is blowing the whole thing out of proportion

out of proportion... i dont think so. i hope they get the $hit sued out of them.

after you have spent countless hours numerous times waiting at o'hare to get to MSP because some junior 737 pilot decides to call in sick, you tell me how you feel about this.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

What the "blank"....... UA management is to blame for this in the long run. Looks like Glenn is trying to find a scape goat to try to save face.

UAs pilot and ALPA have a few things that they have done over the past year that has been on the border. An example is 2 for Glenn..... IIRC a lot of Capt's added 2000 more LBS of fuel to the final Captain's bump. Another was the hat game they are playing, which sorta led to the SLC 737 incident. All of which are on the border of being justified.

Its just UA management has done such a bad job that has lead to this un-rest that they are trying anything to blame the Unions for UAs slippery slide into becoming a joke. If management were smart, which this shows they are not, they would leave it alone and try to work out a deal to end the labor un-rest. All this is going to do is shake the bee's nest and lead to more un-rest IMO.

Whats next? Sue UAs AFA for allowing F/As who fart in-flight to go unpunished?

Give me a break. If Glenn and the gang were trying to mend the work environment, this is going to set that back a LONG ways.

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):
some junior 737 pilot

I will give you odds that IF this is true, its non of the new hires or callbacks. The next cuts are going to go as deep as 9-10 years on the list, possibility even more. Meaning everyone that was hired from 97 on will either be furloughed or bumped off their current plane and back on reserve. I would say IF this is going on, its the ones who made it through BK and just got off reserve. Again IF this is true...... management has a fun way of blaming everything on the Unions.

On that same token, these guys flying guppies and Buses on reserve get crap flying and lots of it. Heck even line holders on these planes have junk...... this junk can lead to becoming illegal for duty day time or max hours for the month. So its more then just "calling in sick."

-LH417AF025...... you may not like the Unions for what you think they do to you on your ORD-MSP flights but get over it. ORD-MSP can turn into a small cluster F**k sometimes and nothing can be done about it. Hope all you want that UAs ALPA gets sued...... b/c if that is the case, you can bet your butt a slow down bigger then 2000 will pop its head out to say hi!

[Edited 2008-07-30 13:55:55]

User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7820 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):
out of proportion... i dont think so. i hope they get the $hit sued out of them.

after you have spent countless hours numerous times waiting at o'hare to get to MSP because some junior 737 pilot decides to call in sick, you tell me how you feel about this.

RUBBISH!

Being a pilot isn't like having a regular job. Now we have the FAA that mandates a pilot not fly when they're fatigued and mandating they can't fly when taking certain medications (both over the counter and prescribed) and on the opposing side we have UAL management trying to pin their under-staffing on ALPA.

It's the airline's responsibility to have adequate reserve coverage. End of story. If they don't then they have to cancel flights, it's not brain surgery. No airline likes having to staff reserves since the perception is they, the airline, are paying for nothing. Airlines vary on their perception of reserves. Some airlines will call the month successful if the reserves fly nothing, having staffing levels is the cost of doing business. Other airlines cringe if the reserves don't fly to their garantee, after all we can't have pilots sitting around doing nothing and getting paid for it.

I am still a member of ALPA and have many friends who are flying for US carriers. ALPA, as has been pointed out, will go out of their way to distance themselves from any organised violation of the contract. It's not in their best interest and they have way too much to lose.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7759 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
RUBBISH!

Well it's hardly 'rubbish' if it's because a group of them get pissed off and decide to call in sick when they aren't. That is nothing but irresponsible.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
It's the airline's responsibility to have adequate reserve coverage. End of story. If they don't then they have to cancel flights, it's not brain surgery. No airline likes having to staff reserves since the perception is they, the airline, are paying for nothing. Airlines vary on their perception of reserves. Some airlines will call the month successful if the reserves fly nothing, having staffing levels is the cost of doing business. Other airlines cringe if the reserves don't fly to their garantee, after all we can't have pilots sitting around doing nothing and getting paid for it.

And nobody here is disputing that. If the airline doesn't haven't enough coverage when a pilot is TRULY sick, and they end up cancelling flights, then so be it. That isn't what we're discussing here.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

historical retrospective:

in how many of the past 10 years have UA pilots NOT engaged in some type of job action during the summer?


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7637 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
NOT

IIRC- 2001 when Goodwin gave in.

That was one of his turning points in his termination. After he did that the BoD pretty much sealed his fate that he would not be around much longer.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24888 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Btw - here is a United ALPA update. Its from last week and predates todays events, however somewhat telling of what the mood at the union is.

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves
https://crewroom.alpa.org/ualunity/DesktopModules/ALPA_Documents/ALPA_DocumentsView.aspx?itemid=15319&ModuleId=13609&Tabid=3213



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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5428 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7340 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
And nobody here is disputing that. If the airline doesn't haven't enough coverage when a pilot is TRULY sick, and they end up cancelling flights, then so be it. That isn't what we're discussing here.

that's true, I suspect the airline is staffed, like every other airline, to handle statistically based normal levels of sick pilots and when it goes outside those parameters too much then the problems occur.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):


The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves
https://crewroom.alpa.org/ualunity/DesktopModules/ALPA_Documents/ALPA_DocumentsView.aspx?itemid=15319&ModuleId=13609&Tabid=3213

Wow, I can't imagine UAALPA is really OK with that being made public, it is on a supposedly secure server (hence the "s" in the "http"). It really seems worded to foment anger and distrust. Why are they not be more appropriate in their communications with employees and work on disagreements separately with management? Why poison the well?

Tugg



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7295 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):
because some junior 737 pilot decides to call in sick, you tell me how you feel about this.



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
If the airline doesn't haven't enough coverage when a pilot is TRULY sick, and they end up cancelling flights, then so be it. That isn't what we're discussing here.

Sorry, but then what are we discussing here? I don't mean to be disrespectful but in the two posts above how qualified are both of you to determine the physical condition of any pilot who calls in sick, or the reason why? You have honestly no idea whether they are or not, but yet seemingly you determine they are not depending on it being if one of your flights are delayed/cancelled.


User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7265 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):

If your link is a representative example of the attitude of the UA pilots (and apparently it is since it is an authorized UA ALPA MEC website) I am amazed that UA is still in business.

With employee relations that bad, I am worried that they won't even last through my trip I have booked with them this winter.

Sad.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7242 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11):
Sorry, but then what are we discussing here?

Ummm... it's in the title of the thread.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11):
I don't mean to be disrespectful but in the two posts above how qualified are both of you to determine the physical condition of any pilot who calls in sick, or the reason why? You have honestly no idea whether they are or not, but yet seemingly you determine they are not depending on it being if one of your flights are delayed/cancelled.

I'm qualified because it's my opinion that UA have probably done at least a little investigation, before making these comments and asking a judge to intervene.

They've done it before, and it's very likely they're doing it now.

You can believe the pilots are really sick ... it's a discussion forum ... no qualifications necessary to voice an opinion  Wink


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7162 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
Ummm... it's in the title of the thread.

I know what the thread title is......I was commenting on your own words!

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
I'm qualified because it's my opinion

Giving an opinion makes one qualified to make a statement as fact? May I suggest you then make clear such comments are only opinion.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 13):
You can believe the pilots are really sick ... it's a discussion forum ... no qualifications necessary to voice an opinion

Very true, as long as you describe such as mere opinion. However, for your own information, unlike yourself I was not specifying either way and claiming it as definitive.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7130 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):


 Yeah sure

We're not discussing UA's scheduling and coverage when pilots are TRULY sick.

If you think we are, then I stand corrected. Otherwise let's move on.

I certainly didn't say the pilots were not sick (although IMO they were not)... I just said we were discussing the fact that UA thought they weren't.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

It's not sick calls per se that are killing the airline...it is the mentality that a FEW pilots have that reult in mechanicals and they like that are killing SA)">UA....things that 6 months ago were no problem are now a huge problem and result in the refusal of an aircraft.

I feel very bad for those about to be furloughed, as I expect myself to be in four months. But I do my job so we still have customers. Could I get furloughed? You bet your buns! But I will continue to provide the level of service I was hired to provide so that I might either maintain or only lose my job for a short amount of time. These "rogue" Pilots kills me.

They hurt the CSR's tht have to rebook, they hurt all of the passengers flying from that airport, and worst of all, they hurt the SA's that they themselves hired on to be...shame on them.

There are a very few pilots (at this time) enjoying this chaos...it will increase and I will be there (I hope) to scold them for it. You don't make a statement by biting the hand that feeds you and I applaud all of the pilots I see at the end of their flight handing out cards, assisting passengers with luggage, and thanking their paycheck payers. I get on the aircraft and thank everyone...and we hope to see you again soon.

Some people forget where they came from or who allows them to be where they are...someday the union I pay dues to will recognize whats really going on and justify my payments to them...(now that IS funny!)


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6893 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 4):
you may not like the Unions for what you think they do to you

who said anything about unions. im annoyed with the pilots. if they have to sue the union to get the point across then so be it.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
It's the airline's responsibility to have adequate reserve coverage.

again... they are going with what is historically adequate staffing.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):

Well it's hardly 'rubbish' if it's because a group of them get pissed off and decide to call in sick when they aren't.

amen.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11):
how qualified are both of you to determine the physical condition of any pilot who calls in sick, or the reason why

how qualified are you to say that they are sick.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 11):
if one of your flights are delayed/cancelled.

no pal, not one. this is on a bi-weekly basis.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6864 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
RUBBISH!

Well it's hardly 'rubbish' if it's because a group of them get pissed off and decide to call in sick when they aren't. That is nothing but irresponsible

So how does that make ALPA a party to the suit?

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 17):
again... they are going with what is historically adequate staffing.

No, they aren't. UAL has suspended hiring, they were already short staffed. The 737 retirement is having a cascade effect on training so the pool of "available" is even less than it would normally be. So, if they haven't increased staffing levels then they are short staffing the reserve lines.

Quoting Tcfc424 (Reply 16):
UA....things that 6 months ago were no problem are now a huge problem and result in the refusal of an aircraft.

If that's the issue then how can you condemn the pilots? If it's the concept of being "flexible" then my position is never to be "flexible". In good times and in bad, if the MEL says you can't go, that's the end of the story.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6841 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 18):
So how does that make ALPA a party to the suit?

ALPA was made a party to the suit because of what, United is claiming, ALPA is communicating with its members. The exact quote out of the injunction is: "ALPA's communications are essentially a guide describing how to use sick leave inappropriately," My guess is that ALPA is a secondary party in this and UA is really trying to go after those four pilots who are organising this action.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 18):
Quoting Tcfc424 (Reply 16):
UA....things that 6 months ago were no problem are now a huge problem and result in the refusal of an aircraft.

If that's the issue then how can you condemn the pilots? If it's the concept of being "flexible" then my position is never to be "flexible". In good times and in bad, if the MEL says you can't go, that's the end of the story

This has very little to do with MELs, 737 F/Os were/are calling out sick over the past 7 weeks at a rate double that of the past three years, A320 F/O call offs are up 61%.

According to what the company put out UA and ALPA had been talking up untill late last week when talks broke off. UA did increase reserve staffing and did agree to some work rule changes. Obviously this is just one side of the story and I'm sure ALPA will have a different view, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Its claimed that 327 flights were cancelled between the 19th and 27th July.........one question.....is that more thswn avverage......my intial thought would be that it was but I await others to comment.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6301 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 20):
Its claimed that 327 flights were cancelled between the 19th and 27th July.........one question.....is that more thswn avverage......my intial thought would be that it was but I await others to comment.

That's a huge number of flight cancellations in less than 10 days. I'd say they have a real problem on their hands with some of these rogue pilots, once again. Real shame.


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5716 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 21):
That's a huge number of flight cancellations in less than 10 days. I'd say they have a real problem on their hands with some of these rogue pilots, once again. Real shame.

All beginning to make sense to me now; my wife was trying to meet me in Chicago last weekend and no less than two PHL-ORD segments (on 735 and 733 equipment) were canceled due to 'crew', really threw a wrench in my weekend since she couldn't get to ORD until Saturday morning. I'm a loyal Premier Exec flyer on UA and have flown and supported this airline through all the BK and such post 9-11 by keeping my business travel there and miles (believe me, yes I have a choice), but when you start to inconvenience your customers these pilots deserve to have action taken against them.


User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5662 times:



Quoting Tcfc424 (Reply 16):

Sir, you are a true professional.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5539 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2):
My guess is that United is blowing the whole thing out of proportion

out of proportion... i dont think so. i hope they get the $hit sued out of them.

I could not have put it any better my self. I think if there are problems, holding your passengers hostage is not the way to go about it. Unions seem to think that they have some sort of superior standing but what it really boils down to is that they are just out to make money like every other business. They have to substantiate the dues they are charging their membership and I feel that in this day in age unions have served their usefulness.



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25 727forever : Why is it then that every summer we hear about how United has some big screw up in ORD when thunderstorms hit and suddenly it's those damned pilots a
26 Intermodal64 : Interesting post! I haven't flown this airline since summer of 2000 because of this very issue. As a consumer I really don't care whose fault it is --
27 Tozairport : Basically time and a half for JRM and SRM events. Sometimes they may drop a 4 day for a 2 day or something like that, in which case you would not get
28 EyeSky : IIRC something similar happened with UA back in the summer of '02 but it was more of a 'work to rule' action where flight crews weren't picking the am
29 Alias1024 : A problem that UA caused through their scheduling practices. They have been so short staffed this summer that lineholder FOs on the 737 and buses are
30 United1 : Oh I'm sure that is some of it but the reality is that ALPA and the pilots are certainly not blameless in all of this. UA announces that it is ground
31 Brilondon : Act like children, be treated like children.
32 Alias1024 : Pilots called in sick because they were too exhausted to fly. Management's reaction was to try and intimidate a group of pilots who are going to get
33 LH417AF025 : when did i say anything about unions or bash them? im saying that if they have to sue the union to get the point across that these pilots inconvenien
34 Alias1024 : As you said, you are not on the other side of the flight deck door. First, they have been so short on 737 and A320 FOs that they are being scheduled
35 United1 : I'm sure it is exhausting to fly a day like that, but there is no way you can say that every UA pilot is calling off because they are actually exhaus
36 Post contains links LAXintl : Its not a fully private site -- much of the information is public including the regular membership messages as are most airline pilot union sites. If
37 Boeing6600 : WOW this makes me sick ALPA is trying to get the pilot group even more upset! First off UA is not asking there pilots to do anything illegal, making
38 727forever : And thus we have found the contempt for pilots. Fatigue is real. Actually flying 70-90 hours per month is not working 70-90 hours a month. Basically
39 MPDPilot : Just like to point out that, that sounds pretty exhausting. However, there are a rather large number of jobs in this world that require as much if no
40 Alias1024 : In the last few weeks I've been in the jumpseat twice on UAL Airbuses on my commute. The pilots are saying that it's getting rediculous. When one FO
41 NWAJettjockie : IMO the current group of managers at United is incompetent. They raped the Pilots in the last contract, treat them like dog meat, and expect everyone
42 Tozairport : Let's see, I'm an A320 Captain who flies every working day with these "offenders". You are a ... what is it that you do that makes you qualified to m
43 NWAJettjockie : Well said!!!! Thank you.
44 Tozairport : Sure, but if a Lawyer falls asleep at his desk, he and his client don't die (unless it's a death penalty case I suppose ). OK, but did you do multipl
45 TN757Flyer : The same thought entered my mind after about post #5 or so. If United is still flying in two years, it will be surprising. At the least, expect them
46 NWAJettjockie : Eastern died because Frank killed them. Eastern was a victim of a combination of Frank Lorenzo, years of bad management, and the IAM. If Bethune can
47 Mir : Well, you knew it was coming: someone buying into the fallacy that pilots only work 70 hours a month and are just sitting around resting the rest of
48 TN757Flyer : I definitely agree on the management issue. Unfortunately, recovery for any airline in today's environment won't be as "simple" as it was back then.
49 PhilSquares : Have been away for a few days, but was waiting for the slugs to come out of the woodwork! You don't have a clue about being a pilot, much less about
50 AAH732UAL : You can say hello to this, I knew it was coming. As of the date this broke, the slow down is in effect. 08/01/08 is the date UA ops at DCA almost cam
51 United1 : That's not true at all ALPA and UA reached an agreement out of court today....UA asked for the lawsuit to be dismissed after a settlement was reached
52 United1 : Oh and could that have something to do with the weather that ORD experienced today? Pretty sure it had little to do with the pilots today....this is
53 AAH732UAL : Well what I said was what was going around the airline today. Either way.... UA had no case anyway vs. ALPA. No, trust me on this one. I was in the m
54 LAXintl : Think what you may, but UA had very much a case against ALPA with plenty of bulletin board/blog postings as evidence. There is a reason ALPA national
55 Tozairport : There is absolutely no coordinated slow down program in effect now, nor has there been. If the DCA ops were screwed up, then it is likely due to wx,
56 Post contains links United1 : Was a blurb in the bottom of a news story regarding AA of all things... http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080801/american_pilots.html?.v=1 "United and its pilo
57 Iahflyr : ALPA..... alpa............All Line Pilots Are...............more aware of the day in an day out operation of each company OPS Specs than what the alpa
58 Post contains links LAXintl : From UAL ALPA tonight http://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/DesktopDefault.aspx For a copy of the proposed injunction https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...Vi
59 UAL777UK : So reading between the lines is this ALPA running away with its "tails between its legs" and knows it would lose the fight if it went all the way in
60 Post contains images AAH732UAL : It was VMC all day. All I know is almost nothing left on time over the past few days and it reminds a lot of people of the summer from hell back a fe
61 United1 : And you think thats something to be proud of? Thought you still lived with your mom and she worked for United don't you want United to succeed? Mind
62 AAH732UAL : What are you talking about? I never said anything about not wanting UA to succeed. Why do you think I am so Vocal about GT and the group? I want a UA
63 United1 : So the reality is that UA reached an agreement with ALPA yesterday, ALPA has no legal right to conduct a slow down or a work to rule campaign and the
64 AAH732UAL : Glenn Tilton is the only reason you need for a slow down Yes I am sorta "happy" and I say that b/c if its the only way to have the BoD see how bad Gl
65 ORDflier : Funny AAH732UAL... those Thunderstorms west of the airport on Friday seemed to being delaying quite a few AA flights as well... You have NO idea what
66 AAH732UAL : Ok sure that way I was there at ORD all last night. Had to sleep down in in-flight. But yeah I don't know what I am talking about
67 United1 : If you know that then I should not have to remind you that the first flights of the day after a day involving weather delays can be affected by crews
68 LAXintl : Well if you think its Glenn that looks bad during these times its not --- its the childish unions and employees if they are indeed participating in f
69 United1 : So the chances of you being allowed to sleep in in-flight are nill just as a reminder you are not an employee....your mom is a supposedly a F/A and y
70 Post contains links AAH732UAL : Quoting United1 (Reply 69): So the chances of you being allowed to sleep in in-flight are nill just as a reminder you are not an employee....your mom
71 OOer : Why are you guys so upbeat about what UA pilots are doing? Put yourself in their shoes! These guys will get laid off AGAIN in a month or so. They have
72 Tozairport : You are looking at on pixel of the picture and assuming that you see the whole screen. I HAVE been out flying for the last 4 days and there is no con
73 AAH732UAL : Understood. I was just going by what I seen/been told over the past 3 days myself. So at least I trust your comment. You got to see my side though. W
74 Post contains links United1 : If you did spend last night in in-flight be careful about posting that on here, AFAIK that is not a place employees are allowed to bring their family
75 TN757Flyer : Never mind that your pilots are ALSO screwing the rest of the UA rank and file employees, and ultimately, the paying pax. Keep it up long enough, tho
76 AAH732UAL : They can as long as they are with a badged employee. Look to his their own.and lets move on.
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