Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4444 posts, RR: 43 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15862 times:
Air France has surprisingly announced that it will be suspending all nonstop flights from its CDG-Paris hub to IKA-Tehran effective Oct 26th 2008. AF cites the low yield that was being witnessed on this route as the main reason for the closure. However, to compensate for its suspension, it will make KLM increase flights on the AMS-IKA sector from 4 to 5 weekly nonstop flights. Besides suspending IKA, the French carrier has announced further changes to its long haul network for Winter 08-09. The main highlights are as follows:
ORD - capacity reduced to 5 weekly A 332s + 2 weekly A 343s.
YUL - eff Feb 09, capacity reduced to daily B 744 + daily B 773ER.
HAV - frequencies increased from 5 weekly to daily flights using a B 744.
NRT - capacity reduced to 6 weekly A 332 + 6 weekly B 773ER + daily B 772ER.
PEK - reduced from double daily to 10 weekly B 773ERs.
MRU - frequencies increased from 4 weekly to daily B 744s.
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14360 times:
Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 5): thats nearly 3x daily to Tokyo...hell of a lot, no?
It is a lot - at least compared with service to other European cities. Plus AF also have KIX and codeshare with JL to NGO. That's a lot of capacity to Japan. AF seem to do pretty well all over Asia. Unlike that airline across the channel
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 13): Ya. I was thinking the same thing (oh God, we are agreeing). I thought Paris - Iran and Paris - Lebanon were solid markets. I love how AF "gives" routes to KL
Hey! LH does the same with LX. Of course, LH also like to 'take' the nice ones that make a lot of $$$
Megaptera From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12650 times:
Yes, bmi have a daily A321 to IKA from LHR. All the European aircrews that fly to Tehran (bmi, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM and Alitalia) stay in the same hotel, but unfortunately on segregated floors...
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3362 posts, RR: 16 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10534 times:
Quoting Megaptera (Reply 15): Yes, bmi have a daily A321 to IKA from LHR. All the European aircrews that fly to Tehran (bmi, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM and Alitalia) stay in the same hotel, but unfortunately on segregated floors... frown
What would be their reasoning behind that? Other than their love of taking the fun out of life of pretty much everything.
HomaDreaming From United States of America, joined May 2008, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10359 times:
While Paris Iran market is decent its nothing like the US- Iran Market with over 1.5 million Iranians living in the states and no direct flights...European carriers have been picking up the weight with connections through their European hubs...I would see a few reasons why AF would have low Yields...and did what they did...
1)Political instability in Iran obviously has dampened many Iranians living abroad from visiting Iran...
2) The US economy is down, Iranian/Americans arent visiting Iran in numbers like before, they probably need to pay their mortgages and fill their tanks like everybody else who lives here, not to mention Iran isnt a cheap country to fly to or spend time in...
3) Many Iranians live in LA area (over 500000) AF will not be able to compete with Emirates when they start their direct LA flights, specially since you can fly to almost any major Iranian city from Dubai with hundreds of flights and high frequency...why fly to Tehran when you need to go to Shiraz!!? or Mashad! connecting between IKA and THR is horrible and consumes so much time!
4)The Iranians in the East coast US can easily connect through Dubai and Amsterdam and potentially avoid Paris or London. NWA and KLM got that covered very well...
5)the France-Iran Market is sizable but not huge...no where near some other Middle eastern states-France...Iran Air still flies to Paris, not to mention they do code share with AF.
6)Iranian Citizens in Iran rather vacation in the Persian gulf (Dubai) and have had a new found love affair for places like Thailand and anything East...Getting a visa for them to visit EU or US is almost impossible, time consuming...
That leaves AF with low yields...no reason to keep it going in these conditions...Expect more cuts by other European Carriers...