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What's The Deal With This AS MD-83?  
User currently offlineMaestra80 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

I was planespotting at O'Hare on July 30th around 1:30p.m., and happened to catch this plane coming through...



The tail number is N973AS, and a search on the internet revealed that it is an Alaska Airlines MD-83, built in 1994. FlightAware did not have this arrival listed, so I couldn't find out who was operating that flight and where it came from.

So, what I'm wondering is, why is the plane painted all white with no titles? It's pictured on a.net fully painted in the AS scheme in previous years. Does anyone have any information on the aircraft, or the flight it was operating? I'm very curious  Smile


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Since Alaska is removing the 80's from their fleet the aircraft may very well be in the process of or already changed owners and the "N" number yet to be changed, if at all.


Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Yesterday,I saw an AS MD80 do VCV-VQQ with an AS flight #....wonder who for?


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5180 times:



Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Yesterday,I saw an AS MD80 do VCV-VQQ with an AS flight #....wonder who for?

The MDs go to VCV for decomissioning, then most have flown off to Florida to their
new owner.



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

I also saw a ex-AQ 732 ferry off to the Canry Islands from VCV today!


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlinePhxpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

DOJ operates MD-80's from IWA. They are all-white and some still sport the Alaska N-number. That would also explain why you would not see it on FlightAware.

User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

This is a DOJ plane with a blocked ID you will not find it on any flight tracking website

I can find it my flight tracker though  Smile but i cannot tell you where it can from or where it is going for obvious reasons  Smile

RYAN
FLTOPS


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4808 times:
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Good old Con(vict) Air...

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4703 times:



Quoting Rscaife1682 (Reply 6):
This is a DOJ plane with a blocked ID you will not find it on any flight tracking website

And you know this how? Talk to me!  Smile



Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4689 times:

Same plane that come to TOL once a week. Loads up with illegals with criminal records, and flies off to points unknown....

User currently offlineFalconBird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4670 times:

They've been to KLEX several times in the past with different type birds, all white.


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User currently offlineMaestra80 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Thanks for all of your responses!

So, I take it DOJ stands for Department of Justice (that's who it belongs to?), and that the plane was carrying jailbirds? That's funny, I didn't know they do that.  Silly Is this common?

Why would they need to fly these criminals around? Is it for transporting them between jails, or taking them to court in different cities?

Quoting Phxpilot (Reply 5):
DOJ operates MD-80's from IWA

What's IWA?



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User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4458 times:



Quoting Maestra80 (Reply 11):
What's IWA?

Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport in Mesa, AZ.


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting Maestra80 (Reply 11):
So, I take it DOJ stands for Department of Justice (that's who it belongs to?), and that the plane was carrying jailbirds? That's funny, I didn't know they do that. Is this common?

Let's go one step further ever see jetways connected to a prison?



This is part of the JAPATS (DOJ) program.
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User currently offlineMaestra80 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 4337 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 13):
Let's go one step further ever see jetways connected to a prison?

Wow, I didn't know that kind of thing existed out there!  Silly

I just wonder what they were doing with the prisoners they were bringing into O'Hare? Like, what is the purpose for that flying them around on planes? I thought they transferred prisoners on buses.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

There used to be an all-white 737-400 operating DOJ flights as well. I used to see him in MSY all the time. Armed guards on all corners of the plane prevented good ramp shots.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 4304 times:



Quoting Maestra80 (Reply 14):
I just wonder what they were doing with the prisoners they were bringing into O'Hare? Like, what is the purpose for that flying them around on planes? I thought they transferred prisoners on buses.

Transfers from one federal prison to another.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineTravaz From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Dont know how up to date this information isbut they state that JPATS flew 250,000 pax a year. Wonder how thier service is ?  boxedin 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice...er_and_Alien_Transportation_System


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 4259 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 16):
Quoting Maestra80 (Reply 14):
I just wonder what they were doing with the prisoners they were bringing into O'Hare? Like, what is the purpose for that flying them around on planes? I thought they transferred prisoners on buses.

Transfers from one federal prison to another.

They also operate international routes to carry deported aliens. This is their web page.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/jpats/


User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

You can freely track most DOJ flights as long as they are not flying with DOJ "Justice" callsign as these are considered government flights which for obvious reasons are untrackable but if you search the registration you will find them, they usually are flying from KIWA or somewhere around Texas, they mostly do ALIEN transport down to central america with the deported people.

Regards,
Tomas.


User currently offlineRJFlyer0891 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

I was able to track this a/c on Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N973AS

Passing through two of JPATS' hubs, KOKC and KAEX

But I am still curious if anyone out there knows JPATS' current fleet....Obviously they are operating MD-80's still, but are they still operating 727's and B737's?

[Edited 2008-08-02 18:20:46]

User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 4068 times:

Yes, I dispatched this flight along with several others the other day. These flights are JPATS, and they are based of OKC, AEX, and AZA. They go to TUL and VQQ for mx all the time. Since the flight operate under Part 91, we don't provide full releases, but rather generate flight plans. These flights are filed under their registration numbers.

The following are JPATS aircraft. RD owns all these aircraft, but they are not on our ops specs.


MD80's
-------------
N932RD
N950AS
N964AS
N965AS
N973AS
N974AS
N976AS

B734
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N765TA

*N764TA used to be part of the fleet, but the aircraft was recently sold to Olympic Airways



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Not all of these planes will fly prisoners, they will fly high profile informants into a city that has gone into the witness protection plan being brought back to a court appearance if they cannot make commercial service in a timely matter or some circumstances requires them to go get them,
.
These planes also are not just for illegals, but lets say someone has committed a crime say in new york or Washington and they are captured in California or Arizona, these planes run
on a semi schedule dropping in scooping up prisoners and dropping them off at other cities.
.
Yes some travel by bus but primarily on short routes. and there was an instance here where they were moving 4 prisoners in cargo vans, They are handcuffed to the floor in a small caged area of a van and the engine conked out and the engine caught on fire with only the
jail driver and guard escaping.
.
The doj has had 727,s and 737,s even the cia has a 737 closely resembling Air con.
As a norm most of these aircraft fly at night out of the traveling public's eye. Hollywood has made the layouts on these planes like a flying prison. The doj does have many of these planes that are just in commercial config for flying agents etc around the country. There was a time where prisoners were flown commercial airlines usually pre boarded from the ramp and onboard when pax came on board but i have not seen any since 911 but that doesnt mean they still do not do it. I have heard of one branch of government has a couple of planes that are in a current airlines livery and mechanics have spotted the plane and the
N reg number but the ship is registed to them but never in their fleet.?. They call them Ghost ships as they have no record of them and they have never seen or heard of one in for repair, which leads me to wonder if there are more of these ghost shops out there with other airlines.



i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineMaestra80 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3687 times:



Quoting Travaz (Reply 17):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice...er_and_Alien_Transportation_System



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
They also operate international routes to carry deported aliens. This is their web page.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/jpats/

Thanks for the websites, both of them had good info. Gotta love Wikipedia!  Silly

Quoting Travaz (Reply 17):
Wonder how thier service is ?

From the picture on Wikipedia, I would say that there is no smiling allowed onboard these flights.  Angry

Quoting RJFlyer0891 (Reply 20):
I was able to track this a/c on Flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N973AS

I totally forgot about searching on FlightAware by tail number. Good idea! Although this particular flight I saw was unlisted.

Quoting Deltabobo (Reply 21):
The following are JPATS aircraft. RD owns all these aircraft, but they are not on our ops specs.

So does that mean that Ryan International pilots fly these planes for JPATS, or does JPATS have their own pilots?

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 22):
There was a time where prisoners were flown commercial airlines usually pre boarded from the ramp and onboard when pax came on board but i have not seen any since 911 but that doesnt mean they still do not do it.

Yikes, I wouldn't want to ride on a plane with a prisoner! But I guess I would rather fly on a plane with one prisoner, than a plane full of prisoners.  Wow!



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