Rampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 7 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Hi Guys,
I've just spent the last hour or so trying to confirm the identity of this CO MD-80:
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
'Spirit of Newark'...lol. Last time I checked Newark had little spirit and a whole lot of gritty attitude. What year was this pic taken?
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Rampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
That would be it! Thanks so much...I was trying all kinds of combos ending in "888" and even went through all the CO MD-80's in the database. Google came up with nothing as well. Whew...what a relief...thanks again!
EDIT: I hear ya about Newark! LOL! I took it back in the early 90's sometime.
[Edited 2008-08-01 17:30:28]
EDIT 2:
And I agree with your statements as well...I was based at EWR for only 9 months back in '93-'94, and it does take grit and stamina and a special kind of disposition to thrive there. My hat's off to all the EWR based folks out there...I'm glad I'm not there any longer because, as it turns out, I don't have that special stamina and disposition!
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2079 times:
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Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 2): Last time I checked Newark had little spirit and a whole lot of gritty attitude.
Not to mention the usual New York/New Jersey allergy to even the remote prospect of making any city areas look attractive.
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LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12337 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
I never knew CO gave names to their aircraft. Yes, 'Spirit of Newark' is a bit of stretch, I am familiar with that city and 'gritty' is true for most of it, yet the 'Ironbound' section (east of downtown and Penn Station, so named as surrounded by train tracks) is a major Spanish/Portguese/Brazilian neighborhood that is actually very nice and has several great resturants.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1898 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6): yet the 'Ironbound' section (east of downtown and Penn Station, so named as surrounded by train tracks) is a major Spanish/Portguese/Brazilian neighborhood that is actually very nice and has several great resturants.
That is a tolerable area of Newark. You can actually park you're car there, leave it unattended for an extended period of time and walk around and eat great food. However, as you know, that area ends at the railroad tracks which is where the real fun begins....
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 5): Not to mention the usual New York/New Jersey allergy to even the remote prospect of making any city areas look attractive.
New Jersey and New York aren't known for their pretty visuals. Even the shore which is completely overhyped looks unattractive by typical U.S. beach standards. But the whole 'allergy' thing you speak of is more or less a Northeast/Mid-atlantic thing. Hartford, Newark, philadelphia, baltimore are all gross looking for the most part.
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4): That may be, but it takes a certain individual to work in that market.
Seriously, you deserve a lot of credit. It must take a dedicated crew to set a bunch of New Yorkers/New Jerseyians straight for a long haul.
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Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 942 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
As much as I tell people here in DEN about "back East" and how different it is and the people are a bit more abrasive there, I do miss it. I'm just glad I didn't have to live there. No offense to the people living there, but there's just too much going on than I can handle.
I used to overnight in EWR quite a bit at the Holiday Inn, next to NJDOC. If my room was on one side, I could at least see the Empire State Building. On the other side of the hotel I could watch prisoners play basketball in the yard. Sometimes we'd grab some beverage and bet on skins and shirts. Hotel has a decent bar though, and the staff are pretty good.
I also did a lot of quick turns at LGA. That place is a pain too because it's so busy, but never had any problem with the service there. I understood on the US side, they had to deal with a lot with fewer and fewer people.
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SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 8): New Jersey and New York aren't known for their pretty visuals. Even the shore which is completely overhyped looks unattractive by typical U.S. beach standards. But the whole 'allergy' thing you speak of is more or less a Northeast/Mid-atlantic thing. Hartford, Newark, philadelphia, baltimore are all gross looking for the most part.
It's true... I just get puzzled because it doesn't have to be that way. Both DC and Boston have areas that look really good. All it takes is 1) a few trees and some greenery and 2) some pride in the appearance of your property. There's nothing about the East Coast that's inherently ugly -- people make it that way by not caring.
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EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1770 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 10): I used to overnight in EWR quite a bit at the Holiday Inn, next to NJDOC
Hey, if you squinted hard enough you could see some hot prisoners, at least. Made the layover go by quicker.
Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 8):
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 5):
Not to mention the usual New York/New Jersey allergy to even the remote prospect of making any city areas look attractive.
New Jersey and New York aren't known for their pretty visuals. Even the shore which is completely overhyped looks unattractive by typical U.S. beach standards. But the whole 'allergy' thing you speak of is more or less a Northeast/Mid-atlantic thing. Hartford, Newark, philadelphia, baltimore are all gross looking for the most part.
I think because the Northeast is so much older than the rest of the country. New York was a city for 150 YEARS before the US was even born. Plus the area of New Jersey where EWR is happens to be an industrial hell-hole.
Plus I must say the typical sunbelt architecture of huge streets, tacky strip malls and cookie cutter McHouses in subdivisions with no freakin sidewalks which forces you to drive everywhere would make me slash my wrists in a month if I had to live there. Ever seen South Florida from I-95? Most of the US other than wealthy areas is pretty architecturally crappy.
Read James Howard Kunstler for why this is so. See him talk about how the strip mall-ification turned Saratoga Springs into a shit hole, and the only thing that turned downtown back is by it becoming a stage set for Yuppies, but the town life left never to return.
Also add Jane Jacobs to your summer reading list. hell Bill Bryson talks about growing up in Des Moines when the malls first came in and he could see the destruction of downtown taking place before his eyes.
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EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1619 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 13): Plus the area of New Jersey where EWR is happens to be an industrial hell-hole
It's probably the only area in the world where, when you fart in the car, you actually roll up the window (those petroleum plant smell can be nasty).
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 13): I think because the Northeast is so much older than the rest of the country.
Boston is older than New York, and much of it is quite attractive (although there are parts that are just as ugly). The same applies to almost any European city.
San Francisco, Seattle, and Vancouver are newer, but they are all good examples of how to build an American city that looks good.
Trust me, I'm no fan of strip malls and subdivisions either -- there's a good reason I pay considerably more rent (and higher taxes) to live right in the middle of downtown DC. I just don't think cities need to be aggressively ugly, like the mid-Atlantic cities we've mentioned here.
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Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1493 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 13): I think because the Northeast is so much older than the rest of the country. New York was a city for 150 YEARS before the US was even born. Plus the area of New Jersey where EWR is happens to be an industrial hell-hole.
Which is why we lack those 'subdvisions' and 'mc neighborhoods' for the most part (at least in the urban and older suburban areas.)
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 11): It's true... I just get puzzled because it doesn't have to be that way. Both DC and Boston have areas that look really good. All it takes is 1) a few trees and some greenery and 2) some pride in the appearance of your property. There's nothing about the East Coast that's inherently ugly -- people make it that way by not caring.
I mean, thats easy for you to say. It all comes down to where those property/municipal taxes are really going and how much the local politicans really care (generally in the northeast, they don't care too much about how 'cute' an urban area looks like but only if money is flowing through.) And it takes more than a couple of 'trees' to rejuvinate an area. Take Jersey City and Hoboken for example. It took developers and politicans YEARS before they realized how gentrication of an urban area across a river from NYC can be a goldmine for real estate. My family lived in this region in the 1950s and 1960s and it was a true blue collar neighborhood. Even in the 1980s, Hoboken and Jersey City were known as 'dangerous areas.' And now Hoboken is regarded as an unofficial 'gem' in Jersey, with housing and rent prices skyrocketing through the roof, completely unaffected by the current housing crisis. Go figure. The same thing that is going on here will eventually happen to many areas in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland. It's all just a matter of time.
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 14): It's probably the only area in the world where, when you fart in the car, you actually roll up the window (those petroleum plant smell can be nasty).
Yes. I would take the fart any day of the week over the chemical plant smells. You would never see me roll down my window!
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 15): San Francisco, Seattle, and Vancouver are newer, but they are all good examples of how to build an American city that looks good.
But those cities are so much younger than east coast cities. San Francisco and Seattle actually had a good amount of time to learn from the mistakes of older U.S. cities to make them sound in planning. And to live in these cities would break you're wallet compared to living in a sunbelt city such as Los Angeles, Austin, Phoenix, or Las Vegas. Plus the weather in Seattle would make me want to cut my wrists.
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Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2362 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 13): Plus I must say the typical sunbelt architecture of huge streets, tacky strip malls and cookie cutter McHouses in subdivisions with no freakin sidewalks which forces you to drive everywhere would make me slash my wrists in a month if I had to live there. Ever seen South Florida from I-95? Most of the US other than wealthy areas is pretty architecturally crappy.
Such an elitist attitude.
Last time I checked, and that was about five minutes ago, all the NE cities had suburbs with subdivisions, strip malls, and crappy architecture too. Think before you type next time and don't let your anti-sunbelt bias cloud your vision.
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Quoting Lexy (Reply 17):
Such an elitist attitude.
Just a strong dislike of being forced to drive four miles to get to my friend's house which is 500 feet away as the crow flies, because it happens to be in a different subdivision, or forced to drive every time I want to buy milk.
Quoting Lexy (Reply 17): Last time I checked, and that was about five minutes ago, all the NE cities had suburbs with subdivisions, strip malls, and crappy architecture too.
And that stuff is awful when it happens in the Northeast too. Neither elitism nor a dislike for the sun belt has anything to do with it, at least for me. It's much more about a preference for walking, less homogeneous architecture, and usable city layouts.
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Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 15): Boston is older than New York, and much of it is quite attractive (although there are parts that are just as ugly). The same applies to almost any European city.
Actually I think New York is older, (founded as New Amsterdam in 1624 or 1625 - historians can't agree on a date) Boston was founded in 1630. I will admit that the Red Sox are great and the Yankees suck and that Boston has preserved much more of its older architecture whereas New York's architecture is long gone.
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 18): And that stuff is awful when it happens in the Northeast too. Neither elitism nor a dislike for the sun belt has anything to do with it, at least for me. It's much more about a preference for walking, less homogeneous architecture, and usable city layouts.
Damn straight. I grew up in Long Island in a place without sidewalks that resembles a cookie cutter subdivision and you couldn't pay me enough to move back. The utter lack of life and vitality was mind numbing. People need towns, people need to walk to the corner store to get a pint of milk. People get excited with the little nooks and crannies of cities.
Getting back to New York. Remember EWR is in New Jersey and a particularly shitty part too. JFK and LGA are in New York and while I was a Queens resident since 14, and I think Queens being the most diverse place on the planet is one of the most interesting place on the planet, architecturally, Queens is no Paris. So from whatever airport you fly into in the New York area, you are driving through its worst looking parts.
Brookly Heights, Park Slope and many parts of Manhattan (including where I live) are beautiful.
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Made the layover go by quicker.
Which is why we lack those 'subdvisions' and 'mc neighborhoods' for the most part (at least in the urban and older suburban areas.)
Just a strong dislike of being forced to drive four miles to get to my friend's house which is 500 feet away as the crow flies, because it happens to be in a different subdivision, or forced to drive every time I want to buy milk.
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