GOwithCO332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Last night I was reading a CO in-flight magazine from March. It displayed many new routes opening up from CLE. A couple of days ago I was just looking on wikipedia at the CLE page and it showed that many of these routes were ending on September 3rd. I went onto airliners.net and looked at the discussion forum and saw discussions on these closures, but I do not get why all of these new routes were added then canceled only months later. I am familiar with the over-expansion hence belly-up theory, but it just seems weird that CO would start so many new routes from CLE and then just rid of them so shortly after. Honestly, most of us here know a tremendous amount about these things and so shouldn't the people at CO who look at these routes see that maybe they will not be profitable?
I will be flying into CLE for the first time tomorrow so I will have to see what it is like. I suspect there is not a tremendous amount of O&D traffic going out of CLE so it does seem a tad odd to start routes to such cities as Charleston when less people can travel.
There's a difference between routes that are (projected to be) profitable with fuel at $X than routes that are profitable with fuel at $X*1.5.
CO needed to reduce costs--quickly--and regional flying was an easy target -- virtually all of the cuts from CLE were regional flying. New routes both lack a strong track record and are less likely to be noticed as "missing", IMHO.
I've heard that local management is trying to save some of the routes, like CLE-OMA [incidentally, I'm currently scheduled to be on the [last] noon-ish CLE-OMA non-stop on 9/3]
Incidentally, I've heard a lot of "the sky is falling in Cleveland", and yes CLE took the largest hit as far as CO's hubs go, it wasn't as bad as it could have been nor that much worse than EWR and IAH (IIRC, CLE capacity was cut by 12% and the others were about 8%)
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Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Old news, my friend. It was announced on June 12th, that CO would ax 24 cities out of CLE. I know it was June 12, because the announcement was made the day CO started CLE-DSM, and announced the same day that it was being axed.
I'm hoping if fuel keeps falling, that sometime in '09, CO would re-establish some of those routes, and maybe add a few others as well. But I think all the carriers will take a wait and see approach even if fuel does keep falling.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 6144 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
Quoting GOwithCO332 (Thread starter): I will be flying into CLE for the first time tomorrow so I will have to see what it is like. I suspect there is not a tremendous amount of O&D traffic going out of CLE
Depending on the weekday, CLE's O&D runs 15-20,000. If you have time, try a Great Lakes beer - I think the airport bars always have Dortmunder Gold lager available, but Burning River Ale is my favorite.
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PITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2439 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3): Depending on the weekday, CLE's O&D runs 15-20,000. If you have time, try a Great Lakes beer - I think the airport bars always have Dortmunder Gold lager available, but Burning River Ale is my favorite.
Great Lakes beer is good. We have alot of it here in Pittsburgh at a place called Bocktown. It is nothing but craft beers. Good times.