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What Happened At CLE With CO?  
User currently offlineGOwithCO332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Last night I was reading a CO in-flight magazine from March. It displayed many new routes opening up from CLE. A couple of days ago I was just looking on wikipedia at the CLE page and it showed that many of these routes were ending on September 3rd. I went onto airliners.net and looked at the discussion forum and saw discussions on these closures, but I do not get why all of these new routes were added then canceled only months later. I am familiar with the over-expansion hence belly-up theory, but it just seems weird that CO would start so many new routes from CLE and then just rid of them so shortly after. Honestly, most of us here know a tremendous amount about these things and so shouldn't the people at CO who look at these routes see that maybe they will not be profitable?

I will be flying into CLE for the first time tomorrow so I will have to see what it is like. I suspect there is not a tremendous amount of O&D traffic going out of CLE so it does seem a tad odd to start routes to such cities as Charleston when less people can travel.

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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting GOwithCO332 (Thread starter):

There's a difference between routes that are (projected to be) profitable with fuel at $X than routes that are profitable with fuel at $X*1.5.

CO needed to reduce costs--quickly--and regional flying was an easy target -- virtually all of the cuts from CLE were regional flying. New routes both lack a strong track record and are less likely to be noticed as "missing", IMHO.

I've heard that local management is trying to save some of the routes, like CLE-OMA [incidentally, I'm currently scheduled to be on the [last] noon-ish CLE-OMA non-stop on 9/3]

Incidentally, I've heard a lot of "the sky is falling in Cleveland", and yes CLE took the largest hit as far as CO's hubs go, it wasn't as bad as it could have been nor that much worse than EWR and IAH (IIRC, CLE capacity was cut by 12% and the others were about 8%)



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Old news, my friend. It was announced on June 12th, that CO would ax 24 cities out of CLE. I know it was June 12, because the announcement was made the day CO started CLE-DSM, and announced the same day that it was being axed.  Big grin

I'm hoping if fuel keeps falling, that sometime in '09, CO would re-establish some of those routes, and maybe add a few others as well. But I think all the carriers will take a wait and see approach even if fuel does keep falling.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1757 times:



Quoting GOwithCO332 (Thread starter):
I will be flying into CLE for the first time tomorrow so I will have to see what it is like. I suspect there is not a tremendous amount of O&D traffic going out of CLE

Depending on the weekday, CLE's O&D runs 15-20,000. If you have time, try a Great Lakes beer - I think the airport bars always have Dortmunder Gold lager available, but Burning River Ale is my favorite.



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1653 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3):
Depending on the weekday, CLE's O&D runs 15-20,000. If you have time, try a Great Lakes beer - I think the airport bars always have Dortmunder Gold lager available, but Burning River Ale is my favorite.

Great Lakes beer is good. We have alot of it here in Pittsburgh at a place called Bocktown. It is nothing but craft beers. Good times.



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