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Eva Air To Discontinue Auckland...  
User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Fresh from the press:

Eva Air to discontinue service to Auckland as of September 1st this year.

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User currently offlineMaxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Yes I remember reading that somewhere. Sad to hear that though I never did fly with them. Unfortunate for us Aucklanders having all these airlines reduce their schedules and stop flying all together. What went wrong?  Sad

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

So fresh it was posted 5 days ago in the NZ Aviation Thread :P

Probably deserves it's own thread though



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5618 times:



Quoting Maxisno1 (Reply 1):
Yes I remember reading that somewhere. Sad to hear that though I never did fly with them. Unfortunate for us Aucklanders having all these airlines reduce their schedules and stop flying all together. What went wrong

What went wrong is that the world in general (and New Zealanders in particular even more than generally) hasn't yet accepted that in this new age of increasingly rare and expensive fuel and enviromental concerns, the price of air travel is unsustainably ow.

My guess is that within 5 years the price of international air travel will be more expensive by at LEAST a third. No doubt someone will bang on about their 'right' to cheap air travel so they can go overseas twice a year instead of once every three, but they'll need to get used to seeing the sights in their own country.



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User currently offlineMaxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5502 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):

What went wrong is that the world in general (and New Zealanders in particular even more than generally) hasn't yet accepted that in this new age of increasingly rare and expensive fuel and enviromental concerns, the price of air travel is unsustainably ow.

My guess is that within 5 years the price of international air travel will be more expensive by at LEAST a third. No doubt someone will bang on about their 'right' to cheap air travel so they can go overseas twice a year instead of once every three, but they'll need to get used to seeing the sights in their own country.

Yep sadly true. Wonder if that will change the outcome on which airlines fly here from now on.  down 


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5410 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 3):
What went wrong is that the world in general (and New Zealanders in particular even more than generally) hasn't yet accepted that in this new age of increasingly rare and expensive fuel and enviromental concerns, the price of air travel is unsustainably ow.

High cost of fuel may or may not have had a part in the ending of service. I think a somewhat better explanation if the very large number of flights between AKL and Brisbane/Sydney/Hong Kong which allows for many connections.

AKL-TPE was what they call a "long, thin route" which often can be replaced with connections elsewhere. Sometimes cancellation of such a route as AKL-TPE can actually strengthen a route such as AKL-HKG because it diverts passengers on to the other route in order to make that connection.


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

How is tourism doing to NZ generally? I remember when LoTR was big in hollywood tourism numbers were up. Has that been sustained?


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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Its not about prices, its about Auckland being a very low yielding market. To low yield for a carrier that cant tap into Asian or European connections.
Taiwan being situated where it is makes it difficult for a taiwanese carrier to attract connecting traffic on its flights to Ocenaia. Taiwans links to New Zealand is not big enough to justify Eva flying there anymore. Once it was, but those days are gone.
Fuel might have sped up the decision but this decision was due sooner or later no matter what.

15 years New Zealand was cheap, plenty of Taiwanese moved over, quite a few made investments and lots of students choose Auckland universities. This flow of taiwanese to New Zealand has more or less stopped these days.
And with more and more countries opening up their universities to foreign students the Taiwanese are choosing to study in other countries instead of New Zealand. This makes it more difficult to fill up the plane and it also reduces the VFR and tourist traffic even more.

The other fact that most locals tend to forget is that Auckland's corporate base is very small and a lot of it is foreign owned. Local Kiwi businesses are very narrow-minded when it comes to foreign expansion and most foreign investors have corporate contracts with their own carriers.
Then there is also the absurd British idolisation. Kiwi companies that want to expand have a tendency to look towards the UK or the US making demand to other markets small.

The saddest recent example of this is Pumpkin Patch. A chain that had a really bright future. It was looked at by the worlds largest retailer who wanted to take on its franchise in Europe.
But with management being useless and stuck in Britain only mood they ended up walking away due to the lack of financial sense among senior management.
Senior Management didn't even do a competitive analysis about what European market that would be most successful for them when they wanted to start up their European business.
NO, they just went with Britain because its the easy choice and all their high paid senior managers knows about. They are still paying the price for this lack of analyses with losses and low productivity in their stores.
And today when in Europe the word "English disease" no longer refers to football but instead bad productivity. Kiwis doesnt care they still look to Britain like its some holy grail. This practice sometimes makes me shake my head in disbelief.

My guess is that New Zealand will see more carriers leaving. Its to low yielding to run direct flights to New Zealand unless you're SQ or perhaps CX. They are filling up their planes with European or Asian corporate contracts connecting and SQ has built their entire network from this.
TG and MH for example are struggling with profits on their routes. They see plenty of passengers but yields are low. I wouldn't be surprised to see them reroute and add stops in Australia or in MH case perhaps reduce frequency or leave the market alltogether.

With the new travel-policies that are being constructed due to the US taking/insisting on its right to confiscate laptops we will see more changes to travel-patterns to and from New Zealand and more corporate policies banning transfers in the US.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Could NZ reintroduce the route when it gets 787s, perhaps as a codeshare with BR?

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
With the new travel-policies that are being constructed due to the US taking/insisting on its right to confiscate laptops we will see more changes to travel-patterns to and from New Zealand and more corporate policies banning transfers in the US.

Would this also apply to pax on the NZ1/2 via LAX to/from London? Pax not even intent on landing in the US can have their laptops' contents copied? Can they not just leave them on the plane for the stopover?


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5058 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
Would this also apply to pax on the NZ1/2 via LAX to/from London? Pax not even intent on landing in the US can have their laptops' contents copied? Can they not just leave them on the plane for the stopover?

Yes it does. All personal items must be taken off the aircraft upon landing in the U.S.. Passengers at LAX are ushered into a Lounge, I hear it is not too pleasant, and cleared by Immigration. If CBP wants to see any luggage, they will pull it off the aircraft for inspection.

Please do not get into a constitutional argument whether this is right or wrong. This has been a fact for at least 7 years now.



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4963 times:

Any transfer passenger is subject to this. The fact that you have no intention of ever setting foot in the US doesnt matter, your estill subject to their policies and their taxpayers are paying the bill...
I think one doesnt need to be Einstein to see why the US economy is sinking like a stone and why the country has gone from 4 trillion to 9.5 trillion in national debt during the last eight years...

Whether its been a fact for 7 years doesnt matter. Its still insane.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4805 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
Could NZ reintroduce the route when it gets 787s, perhaps as a codeshare with BR?

NZ already codeshared when they withdrew from the route a couple of years ago so if it does return, they're most likely to codeshare. Looks like a win-win for CX at this stage as the 787s are a fair distance away.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
15 years New Zealand was cheap, plenty of Taiwanese moved over, quite a few made investments and lots of students choose Auckland universities. This flow of taiwanese to New Zealand has more or less stopped these days.
And with more and more countries opening up their universities to foreign students the Taiwanese are choosing to study in other countries instead of New Zealand. This makes it more difficult to fill up the plane and it also reduces the VFR and tourist traffic even more.

It seems disappointing as I believe that the southern summer/chinese new year demand is fairly high with a lot of people heading back there in that period - couldn't they cut the route and make it seasonal?



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User currently offlineCoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

They might as well re-route it through Brisbane making it TPE-BNE-AKL if allowed.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4007 times:



Quoting Coolfish1103 (Reply 12):
They might as well re-route it through Brisbane making it TPE-BNE-AKL if allowed.

They used to do that until around 2001.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):

NZ already codeshared when they withdrew from the route a couple of years ago so if it does return, they're most likely to codeshare. Looks like a win-win for CX at this stage as the 787s are a fair distance away.

I can't see NZ returning unless the market grows alot in the next few years. The codeshare didn't work very well even.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
TG and MH for example are struggling with profits on their routes. They see plenty of passengers but yields are low. I wouldn't be surprised to see them reroute and add stops in Australia or in MH case perhaps reduce frequency or leave the market alltogether.

Correct. TG are going via OZ again, I have heard MEL, but I was thinking they codeshare with NZ from SYD/MEL/BNE/PER-AKL so is it even worth them continuing AKL if they can't make a non stop AKL-BKK work? Sad to say hopefully they can work it out.

Another airline is said to be looking at going through OZ, probably MH, though I've heard they are doing ok at 5 weekly 772s AKL-KUL.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):

It seems disappointing as I believe that the southern summer/chinese new year demand is fairly high with a lot of people heading back there in that period - couldn't they cut the route and make it seasonal?

They have done AKL seasonally in the past but made it year round for whatever reason. I think we may see some charters as usual around Chinese NY, they usually run some to CHC aswell.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3970 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
I can't see NZ returning unless the market grows alot in the next few years.

I don't see them returning soon there either. It's funny how a route can go from 2 competitors and one of them flying a 747 to zero within 7 years..

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
They have done AKL seasonally in the past but made it year round for whatever reason.

It'd make sense to do it just for mid to late Dec-Feb, though. Are they selling planes or just re-routing them to different destinations?



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3952 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
I don't see them returning soon there either. It's funny how a route can go from 2 competitors and one of them flying a 747 to zero within 7 years..

No one flew a 747 AKL-TPE. CI used to fly AKL-SYD-TPE with and M11 then a 343 at one point in 2001 there were 3 airlines on the TPE run. CI have been rumoured to return to AKL, it will be interesting to see now that BR are leaving.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):
It'd make sense to do it just for mid to late Dec-Feb, though. Are they selling planes or just re-routing them to different destinations?

The only planes they are selling are the 744s some converted to BCFs for BR Cargo. 744s are being replaced by 77Ws. They will just use the 332s elsewhere. Though they said AKL is suspended not permanently dropped.


User currently offlineCoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

I guess it's probably a rumor as I don't think CI is interested in starting long haul these days. They are more interested in the cross charter flights as destinations within the Asia region these days. However, it would not hurt to utilize some aircrafts if there are profits.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 15):
No one flew a 747 AKL-TPE. CI used to fly AKL-SYD-TPE with and M11 then a 343 at one point in 2001 there were 3 airlines on the TPE run. CI have been
rumoured to return to AKL, it will be interesting to see now that BR are leaving.

Oh sorry my memory has failed me.. That plane must have been going to NRT or something (going back to some day in the early '00s when I was at the skydeck at AKL).

[Edited 2008-08-05 04:25:12]


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