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NW's 742's,how Much Longer Around?  
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

I see NW is still using the 742's for charters. They have been running VCV-HNL all week for some reason. They also ran VCV-MSP yesterday. I was just wondering how much longer they'll be kept around. IMO,the market for pax 742's is nill and not much better for freighters. Do you think they'll be scrapped after NW retires them like their 727's/DC-10/741's in Maxton and DC-10-40's in Greenwwod?

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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

The 742 as a freighter is a great plane. They can make more money with it than they can a 744 freighter and they, like the DC-9s, are (relatively) cheap to operate.

I know they will be combining the 744 and 742 fleets after the merger - which is a bad idea because they are two completely different airplanes - but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are looking to get rid of them.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6607 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 1):
I know they will be combining the 744 and 742 fleets after the merger - which is a bad idea because they are two completely different airplanes - but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are looking to get rid of them.

I really doubt you'll ever see a 742 in DL colors after the merger.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

I saw a NW B742 in AMS just a few months ago. Does NW run charters to AMS??

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6605 times:



Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 3):
I saw a NW B742 in AMS just a few months ago. Does NW run charters to AMS??

The do military charters quite a bit with the 742s as well as civilian charters.



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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6583 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 2):
I really doubt you'll ever see a 742 in DL colors after the merger.

Only time will tell. It may be true that we never see a 742 in DL colors, but that doesn't mean that they will get rid of them, that just means that they don't repaint them ...which is a possibility considering no body actually cares what a cargo aircraft looks like on the outside.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

It was said that 2008 is the last year for the last two 742 pax of NWA. But it was said in 2007 that year would see the last 742 service. So you never know. Seems the charters bring in money, so no need to retire them unless contarcts end or a D-check is imminent.

The last 742 in the wonderful old bowlingshoe livery is N623US. That aircraft is from 1979, so when retired it most likely won´t have a chance to fly again. NWA has a few 742s 5 or 6 years younger in the desert for years now. I hope they donate one to a museum, the bowlingshoe livery was one of the best on the 742, so it would be nice to see in the future still.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6435 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
I hope they donate one to a museum,

The nose of one from Maxton is in the Smithsonion .



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User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1734 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6348 times:
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NWA maintains a very small pilot base in MSP for the 747-200 charter operations (the ANC pilot base is strictly for the 747-200F fleet). The 742 at MSP on Wednesday, Jul 30 was N624US - the 742 in the new color scheme. I can only assume it flew VCV-MSP because of the crew base matter. The aircraft was parked outside the large hangar at the main airport entrance.

User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6326 times:
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AMS does still get the odd military charter with a B742 from NWA, still a nice sight to see between the B742F's we still receive at AMS.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6317 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 2):

I really doubt you'll ever see a 742 in DL colors after the merger

If that even happens. There is a lot of talk that the DOT or whatever will in the end not approve it.

On a side note, these posts about the NW 742 are starting to turn into ones like DC-9s. Like every other week there is one. Look the airline has figured BOTH types still serve a good purpose for the airline and in turn keep them flying. When that time is up, then they will let it be known. Sometimes talking about NWs fleet of 742s and DC-9s is like beating a dead horse. Whats next? The 744 debate......... Not trying to be mean, but the airplanes are paid off so can truly make a profit.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

I'm sure the only reason the classics are still around is because Northwest does not have any large aircraft to spare for charters. If the merger goes through, I'm sure Delta will be able to use a 767 so the classics would not be necessary. Not sure what will happen to the freighter fleet though. I was always hoping Northwest would start to move to the future with -400F's or -400 converted freighters, but to say

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 1):

I know they will be combining the 744 and 742 fleets after the merger

is just wrong. The classics are not really part of the "fleet" in a sense that they don't do scheduled operations any longer.


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Did anyone a few years back catch that documentary 'The Secret World of Air Freight'? It aired on the Discovery Channel, I think. It followed a NWA cargo flight from the US to Asia, with all of the stops in between.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6046 times:



Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 12):
It followed a NWA cargo flight from the US to Asia, with all of the stops in between.

Yes, thank you. I was trying to remember the name of the show. It was NWA with stops in like ANC, NRT, and maybe HKG?


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 11):
Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 1):

I know they will be combining the 744 and 742 fleets after the merger

is just wrong. The classics are not really part of the "fleet" in a sense that they don't do scheduled operations any longer.

For training purposes they will be the same "fleet" after the merger. And the 742s do scheduled operations, just not scheduled pax operations... that NWA hub in ANC isn't there for no reason.

[Edited 2008-08-03 18:53:00]


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User currently offlineN93109 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5791 times:
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Does anyone have the current Virgin Atlantic 744 operating flight schedule or at least routing?

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Since NW joined Team FedEx for the military charter business I think it is a matter of economics. If the 200s make money for the company on these charters they will stay. If they don't, they will go. You also see other types of NW craft on these charters as well.

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

I have heard the 742s will be replaced with either 744s converted to freighters, or if DL decides to go with the 748i they may also buy 748Fs to go along with the order to bring the fleet more profit and be much more efficient (same engines etc). Which makes a lot of sense. But if DL decides to go with the 77W then the 744s will become freighters to replace the 742s.

But from the people I have talked with (a family member with some deep info about the merge) we may see a US airline order the 748....


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3779 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 14):
For training purposes they will be the same "fleet" after the merger. And the 742s do scheduled operations, just not scheduled pax operations... that NWA hub in ANC isn't there for no reason.

the pax and cargo operations are separated. Especially now with no more scheduled 742's, the pilots are purely cargo at the Anchorage hub.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3517 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 10):
There is a lot of talk that the DOT or whatever will in the end not approve it.

Seriously? I have not seen anything to this respect in the news. Do you have a link to a news report or something? I googled news on DL/NW and the most recent/relevant I could find were reports from Wednesday, July 30, regarding the congressional hearings, but nothing about DL and NW facing a high risk of non-approval by the government.

Btw, the "antitrust" approval would come from the Department of Justice or the Federal Trade Commission, but not from the Department of Transportation (although under U.S. law, maybe the DOT also has to approve the merger, I don't know).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 10):
If that even happens. There is a lot of talk that the DOT or whatever will in the end not approve it.

link please. (BTW a.net doesn't count.)

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
Btw, the "antitrust" approval would come from the Department of Justice or the Federal Trade Commission, but not from the Department of Transportation (although under U.S. law, maybe the DOT also has to approve the merger, I don't know).

AFAIK the DoJ has the last word but not 100% on that.



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
That aircraft is from 1979, so when retired it most likely won´t have a chance to fly again.

Depending on the hours and cycles, that may not be that old. Classic 74's older than that routinely fly and make good money hauling freight. Not having to make lease payments can cover a lot of fuel.



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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Once the 742s are gone from charter service, what a/c will takeover the charters? Will the "new Delta" still do charters, like NW has been doing? On occasion, there has been a NW 742 here in MSN doing a charter, so what a/c may we be looking forward to in the future? 333s? 332s? 744s?

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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3085 times:



Quoting ZWZWUnited (Reply 22):
On occasion, there has been a NW 742 here in MSN doing a charter, so what a/c may we be looking forward to in the future? 333s? 332s? 744s?

Look for a mix of all of the above.

Last 2 years have seen a 744, and an A330 both in MSN come Badger charter time...



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6475 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 10):
If that even happens. There is a lot of talk that the DOT or whatever will in the end not approve it.

Just where that talk be coming from. I would be willing to bet it would not be a credible source, would it?


25 PremoBrimo : I was just on one of the 747-200 about an hour ago. It was for an intern tour. He said the plane has been doing a bunch of runs to Victorville and to
26 Post contains images AAH732UAL : Nope   Just from a bunch of DTW commuters for UA who just got free passes on DL  [Edited 2008-08-05 12:12:11]
27 413X3 : as long as the person buying the services of Northwest is willing to pay the higher price because of higher fuel costs, then there is no reason to get
28 United_Fan : I've only seen VCV-HNL-VCV . I also doubt (what do I know!!??) that the 742 's go farther east than Kuwait.
29 Nwaesc : KWI is the "end of the line" for NWA A/C doing troop movements. No flying into Iraq....
30 TVNWZ : Not so sure that is correct. Paid for planes vs mortgaged/leased.
31 Bobnwa : Why in h--- would a bunch of UA commuters in DTW know about what the government is going to do about the merger between DL and NW. That isn't even pl
32 AAH732UAL : I was a joke after the DL passes were given. Meaning that just their luck the merger would not happen and they would not get all those extra NW fligh
33 0NEWAIR0 : Dude, OPERATIONS have nothing to do with TRAINING. For TRAINING purposes, they will be a single fleet...as in managed as if the 747-200 and 747-400 w
34 FX1816 : I just drove by VCV and in one of the Pratt & Whitney hangers was one of the NW 742's that is painted in the new livery. I could not see the tail numb
35 United_Fan : I gather that there is 1 in n/c and 1 in 'bowling shoe' .
36 Post contains images Viscount724 : Yes, these two.
37 Argonaut : Not meaning to be too picky, but that a/c is actually a 747-151, not a series 200. The first 87 airframes were all series 100s. But, as far as 747-20
38 Viscount724 : Only the last part of that statement is correct. The first 742 off the line was delivered to NW, but NW definitely was not the lead customer. NW was
39 Argonaut : Ouch! Even I usually beware of posting something without first checking everything... I bow my neck to the sword. Yes, I should have known better tha
40 VHSMM : I spotted a couple of North West's 742 at Sydney' s Kingsford-Smith Airport on the Monday following the Catholic World Youth Day.
41 AAH732UAL : IIRC....... VCV-PIT-HNL-SYD-HNL-PIT-VCV
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