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User currently offlinePlairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2709 times:

I have a question Air Comet has a lot of new and very old planes, some 310 came from Lufthansa if I am not wrong and some of the 332 came from Air madrid but this 332 from Air Madrid did this birds coming new from Airbus o ??? I would love to know if somebody can where all the planes come from and how old they are, I know some of you guys here has all this info about where planes come from and the age, thank you.

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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2684 times:

MSN 211 operated for Canada 3000 and Volare, before joining Air Madrid and finally Air Comet

None of A7's planes is new, all are leased/previously used by other companies.

Average fleet age is: 15.4yrs old

http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....tring=Air+Comet&where=119767&luck=

BTW, it is said that Marsans has put on standby their initial order for 12 Airbus A330 and that the first A7 A330 has been sitting at TLS without engines for about 2 or 3 weeks now, can anyone confirm?

Thanks.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Check out this page for the details on Air Comets fleet

http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Air-Comet

You can click each individual aircrafts construction number to see the airframes complete history. For example: http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A330/211.html


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2594 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):

BTW, it is said that Marsans has put on standby their initial order for 12 Airbus A330 and that the first A7 A330 has been sitting at TLS without engines for about 2 or 3 weeks now, can anyone confirm?

No. Marsans announced that they will go ahead with their A320, A330, ..., A380 order. Air Comet is receiving the first one by the end of this month in order to substitute a 1992 A340-300. In the last quarter, they expect more aircrafts to come. I cannot give you the precise number because I don't follow Air Comet too much.
What I assume (but I cannot confirm) is the delivery of aircrafts to Aerolíneas Argentinas. Do you know if Aerolíneas will lease them to Marsans or order some new ones?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

A330-223s for Air Comet are

943 08/08
962 09/08
970 09/08
979 10/08
1002 04/09
1019 08/09


First A380

95 2011

Seems as AR will not receive any A380s , A330s and A320s.

The second hand A320s , despite some of them already painted , will not enter service.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

A picture of Air Comet's first brand new A330 looking very much ready to go:
http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,18472


User currently offlineEmbajador3 From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2473 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
None of A7's planes is new, all are leased/previously used by other companies.

Actually, they did receive at least one brand new A320 directly from the Airbus factory.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2322 times:



Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 3):
Do you know if Aerolíneas will lease them to Marsans or order some new ones?

Actually Gato, the orders are for Marsans - they would have leased them to AR. However I do think that Marsans will end up leasing the planes to AR through Astra (their leasing company) if they continue with the order.

I read that, as you say, Marsans said they'd go ahead with the order, however, I'm still wondering if A7 will continue to exist to be "benefitted" from it's owner's revamp plan.

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 6):

Actually, they did receive at least one brand new A320 directly from the Airbus factory

Yes - sorry, I should have noted that I was referring to the A330-A340 fleet. Thanks for pointing that out.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2299 times:



Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 3):
No. Marsans announced that they will go ahead with their A320, A330, ..., A380 order. Air Comet is receiving the first one by the end of this month in order to substitute a 1992 A340-300. In the last quarter, they expect more aircrafts to come. I cannot give you the precise number because I don't follow Air Comet too much.
What I assume (but I cannot confirm) is the delivery of aircrafts to Aerolíneas Argentinas. Do you know if Aerolíneas will lease them to Marsans or order some new ones?

Whilst GM have said that they're going to continue with the large order announced last year (for A320/A330/A350/A380) they have yet to firm it. I beleive that the A330 that is due to be delivered to Air Comet is part of an earlier order for 12 A330s that GM has undelivered.

I wonder if they'll find a leasing place for the planes meant for AR or if the final order will be somewhat smaller than initially announced?


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2188 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 8):
I beleive that the A330 that is due to be delivered to Air Comet is part of an earlier order for 12 A330s

You're right. But the second order will not be cancelled either. The new aircrafts will go to Air Comet and to an aircraft portfolio owned by Marsans that they want to use for leasing / sale purposes. As you know, the crisis is grounding a lot of old aircrafts (MD, 747-200/-300, old 757, old 767, A310,...) but the airlines are still very active ordering aircrafts. Both Airbus and Boeing have long waitlists, and this means that many airlines will agree to lease them the aircrafts or buy them just to avoid this waitlist and get a brand-new fuel-efficient aircraft. If they are sub-leasing their 1992 and 1993 A340-300 and these planes will probably find a new user soon (maybe Iberia could take one of them because Gestair still needs one extra aircraft to complete its plan), why wouldn't happen to same to some new aircrafts?

Maybe Aerolíneas Argentinas and Austral (with the financial support of the State of Argentina) could be "the" client of the portfolio of Marsans, as they urgently need aircrafts to substitute their old MDs and 737, and for long haul as well. Marsans was accused of leaving the aircrafts abandoned, but actually I would say that, among other reasons (such as having the fares regulated by the government which didn't took into account the higher costs of the last years), many aircrafts were abandoned because it was economically absurd to invest in a very old and high-consumming aircraft. I saw some 737s "born" in the early 80s.

So probably most of this aircrafts will go to Aerolíneas Argentinas and Austral, that need them urgently and cannot wait "a decade" for a new A350. Moreover, there are some second-handed A340s, but not very much. They are even scarce. I wouldn't be surprised if Aerolìneas temporary leased the A343 or A310 of Air Comet that this company will ground after the arrival of the new A332s.

If Aerolíneas is not the final client, I guess that many airlines / leasing companies will be interested.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):

I think that Air Comet will not grow too much as long as the crisis lasts. Now they just expect a 12 aircrafts fleet (all A332), which is the same as today but with new aircrafts. In addition, it seems that the A320s will leave soon.


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

I deleted this reply.

[Edited 2008-08-04 09:22:35]

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2079 times:

Air Comet suspends operations in Chile:
http://www.economiaynegocios.cl/noticias/noticias.asp?id=51063 (spanish only)

And I've been seeing this since over 3 weeks.. why would they announce it now?

Pax are going to be re routed through AR... AR keeps paying for passengers, and will not receive a dime from A7 (I hope I'm wrong...)



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1986 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11):
Air Comet suspends operations in Chile

This is also for Air Comet Chile (domestic flights) or just for the SCL-MAD route?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11):
will not receive a dime from A7

Why? If Air Comet has to reroute its passengers, I imagine that Air Comet will pay a fare to the airline that operates the latin american flight. I am wrong?


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1970 times:



Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 12):
This is also for Air Comet Chile (domestic flights) or just for the SCL-MAD route?

Only SCL-MAD, it's in the article you know  Silly

Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 12):
Why? If Air Comet has to reroute its passengers, I imagine that Air Comet will pay a fare to the airline that operates the latin american flight. I am wrong?

Because this has already happened, especially with fuel bills.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlinePlairbus From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Thanks for all the info!

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
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What are they going to do with those 732s they fly in South America? They're old. Does anyone know if there's been talk about replacing them with 319s or E90s?

On a side note, I feel they have one of the best schemes out there. Absolutely beautiful!


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1812 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Only SCL-MAD, it's in the article you know Silly

That's why I asked the question, because you said "Air Comet suspends operations in Chile" and not only in the SCL-MAD route. As they have a local subsidiary (Air Comet Chile), I wanted to know what was going on with them. Correct me if I am wrong, but maybe Air Comet Chile doesn't make sense if they don't have the SCL-MAD route, do it?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Because this has already happened, especially with fuel bills.

For sure this is not going to happen anymore now that Marsans is gone. They are two different airlines.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
What are they going to do with those 732s they fly in South America? They're old. Does anyone know if there's been talk about replacing them with 319s or E90s?

They are very old and they need a replacement. Air Comet Chile will receive (if they are not shut down before) the new A320 that Marsans already ordered.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
On a side note, I feel they have one of the best schemes out there.

I don't like their livery. Their blue is too strange. Maybe if they hadn't painted the lower part in white it would be better. On the contrary, I liked their old "Air Plus Comet" livery, both the one with the star in the tail or the other with the Aerolíneas Argentinas tail.


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