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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 742 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

For all the Pan Am folks out there, When was the last PA flight into SYD...I know UA bought the pacific routes but am rather unclear on the timeframe when it all took place.


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Thanks for your help!

Andrew
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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
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United took over the Pacific route on 2/6/1986. Some 747SP's went to HKG and SYD as Pan AM and came back United. UA got 11 PA 747SP and 6 L-1011-500 airplanes. Then Kernobel came and PA finances those looses with teh UA money, literaly up in smoke.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2891 times:
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Hi Andrew (with a name like that I can tell you are an intelligent guy )


I dont know the exact date - but it would have been in early 1986 that UA started flying the routes IIRC



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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Very cool, thanks for the responses... I was a Pan Am Kid, my Mom was with PA at JFK till she took a retirement package in 83, I remember seeing Sydney on the timetable and then all of a sudden both SYD and my Beloved L1011s were gone!

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Yup until the end Pan Am maintained service to Sydney with a nonstop LAX-SYD using 747SP, and a SFO/LAX-HNL-AKL-SYD run using 747-100s.

United absorbed both routes keeping the PA flights numbers as 815 on the nonstop and 811 on the Honolulu flight.

For interest UA811 was the United 747-100 involved with the cargo door failure on take off from Hawaii in 1989 that resulted in the death of 9 passengers.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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In relation to that question, was the PA service via either Samoa or Fiji flown with 747s. I can't remember if all four times I took them whether it was 707 or not. I'm sure at least one RT was.
Holding a glass of champagne so the sunrise would reflect through it and a breakfast of blueberries and quiche was just amazing back then. And that was in coach.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24084 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2268 times:



Quoting M404 (Reply 5):
was the PA service via either Samoa or Fiji flown with 747s. I can't remember if all four times I took them whether it was 707 or not.

I think NAN was using the 747 when PA dropped it sometime between 1980 and 1985 (it's on their 1980 route map but not on their 1985 route map). Not sure about PPG but I doubt they regularly used the 747 there. They dropped PPG sometime between 1974 and 1979. They also dropped PPT sometime between 1973 and 1979.

They had a fatal crash at PPT in July 1973 and another at PPG in January 1974, both involving 707s. That wasn't the best period for PA's safety record with 5 707's lost in 9 months between July 1973 and April 74 with a total of 315 fatalities.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2244 times:



Quoting M404 (Reply 5):

They started Nadi in 1971 if i recall correctly. They also flew on to Melbourne. I remember going to Fiji from melbourne and my Mother said that the 747 was too big to be flying so we went on a BOAC VC10



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

the 747sp flight originated in SFO, it stopped in LAX.

SFO/LAX/SYD/MEL. It left SFO in the early evening. 7 or 8 ish pm..

I dont believe PA had their PPT, PPG & NAN flights past 1979 or so. I first went to Tahiti in 1981 and flew UTA from LAX. I would have chosen PA if it were an option. One ption in 1980/81 to PPG was South Pacific Airlines from Honolulu, I think at that time PA had left PPG.


User currently offlineERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

On the 2nd of June 1986 I flew SYD-LAX on a Pan-Am ticket but the flight was operated by United. We were told that it was the first service to and from Sydney by United. At the Time I wasn't really interested because I missed the 747SP Again!


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User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2093 times:



Quoting Foxecho (Reply 3):
I was a Pan Am Kid,

Question for you, if you flew Pan Am a lot when a kid, did they give you a small "suitcase" with games for kids inside? (crossword puzzle, etc.)

I flew with them in 82 and they gave them to me and my brothers, but eventually got thrown away. I would love to buy one (I am a Pan Am fan) but can't remember what they are called... any info on them would be greatly appreciated.



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

For what it's worth...to limit the timeline just a little...

The deal was announced on April 22, 1985:

"Pan Am Agrees to Sell United Its Pacific Unit; Price of $750 Million Includes 18 Planes, Routes to Asia and Australia From U.S."

Pan Am's October 27, 1985 timetable still shows Pacific services.

Pan Am's February 11, 1986 timetable shows no Pacific services (except Hawaii).

Service to the Pacific (including SYD) must have ended between those two dates.

As for United, the United timetable dated January 6, 1986 shows only nonstop service from Portland to Tokyo and Seattle to Hong Kong and Tokyo.

The United September 3, 1986 timetable shows Pacific operations in full swing.

Wish I could narrow it down even further for you.


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