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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/aug/05air.htm
Los Angeles, Seoul, Osaka, Paris discontinued. London reduced. Looks like the JFK non-stops have survived this round of cuts and reductions.

Quotes:
Air India has decided to cut down more than 15 of its international flights to destinations like Los Angeles, London, Osaka and Seoul from next month.

Apart from reworking its international operations, the national carrier also decided to cut down 10 per cent of its domestic capacity.

Sources close to the development said three weekly flights to Los Angeles from various Indian destinations would be taken off the route network. Apart from that, four weekly flights each to Seoul and Osaka would be discontinued.

"Moreover, the flights to London are also being reworked. Air India has around 26 flights operating to and through London. Of these, around seven flights terminating in London will be removed. However, there is some reworking of schedule also. For instance, its Delhi-New York-London flight will now directly go to London. Also, the carrier's Mumbai-Paris-Newark flight will be routed through London and not through Paris," said a source.

The source added dismal load factors combined with lower yields had forced the carrier to rework its operations.

Air India has brought down the number of flights to Dubai to 15, from the earlier 40. It has also decreased its flights to destinations like Bahrain and Muscat. Most of the Gulf routes have now been taken over by its low-cost subsidiary, Air India Express.

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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
"Moreover, the flights to London are also being reworked. Air India has around 26 flights operating to and through London. Of these, around seven flights terminating in London will be removed. However, there is some reworking of schedule also. For instance, its Delhi-New York-London flight will now directly go to London.

Reading through the above paragraph carefully, it seems that JFK will see a reduction of seven frequencies as the DEL-LHR-JFK flight will now terminate in LHR. However, the BOM-ORY-EWR will be routed as BOM-LHR-EWR. In summary, LHR-NYC(JFK/EWR) frequencies remain unchanged, with EWR gaining 7 weekly frequencies away from JFK.

It will be interesting to see which of the India-LHR terminator flights will account for the 7 weekly reductions, and what happens to these slots? Hopefully, AI will connect BLR or MAA to LHR timed to LHR-NA flights.

Should AI explore the possibility of a mini hub at LHR, and drop its plans at MUC? LHR makes a lot more sense to me than does a hub in Europe.

[Edited 2008-08-04 17:58:35]

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6175 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 1):
Should AI explore the possibility of a mini hub at LHR, and drop its plans at MUC? LHR makes a lot more sense to me than does a hub in Europe.

It would make a lot of sense, as they could get a lot of traffic from LHR it self. However, slots and gate space is an issue.


Air India has right now:

7 747-400s (1 leased)
1 747-400M (leased)
2 747-300Ms
3 777-200ERs (leased)
1 777-200 (leased)
2 767-300ERs (leased)
4 A330-200s (leased)
4 777-200LRs + 4 on order
3 777-300ERs +12 on order
+2 A340-500s on order (leased)

With the cut of LAX, it seems the 747-400M will be withdrawn from the fleet.
What destinations get which aircraft?


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6046 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
However, slots and gate space is an issue.

True, as AI doesn't have resources to buy/lease slots and gate space. I don't believe AI is getting 2 A345s.

AI should also explore BOM-SYD flight timed to connect with BOM-LHR in both directions with its newer 777s. The feed from LHR-BOM should help load factors on BOM-SYD, as well as BOM-SE Asia flights.


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

So I guess the DEL-JFK and BOM-JFK loads have drastically improved. I remember reading that these flights were regularly 30% full in the beginning.

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6023 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
AI should also explore BOM-SYD flight timed to connect with BOM-LHR in both directions with its newer 777s. The feed from LHR-BOM should help load factors on BOM-SYD, as well as BOM-SE Asia flights.

Air India will first need to improve both onboard product offering and financial stability before embarking on such a flight combination. To attract people on the SYD-LHR sector AI is going head to head with the luxury incumbents EK, SQ, and so forth. This is not an easy route to sell, unless AI intends on purging people with very low airfares.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5992 times:

The route to EWR started from AMD...so is the BOM-AMD tag on still going to be there for the EWR service as that is mainly why it is successful.

If so then the route would be AMD-BOM-LHR-EWR daily using a B 744. If that is indeed the case, will AI still continue to fly daily A 332s terminator flights between BOM and Heathrow?

ICN and KIX with A 310s flown via BKK needed to be chopped asap and its about time...same thing with LAX. AI could never survive in LAX with a 3 weekly frequency compared to the daily services offered by its European and Asian competitors combined with their superior on-board product compared to AI's B 744 Combis which flew the route.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
AI should also explore BOM-SYD flight timed to connect with BOM-LHR in both directions

Not only can SYD get decent feeder traffic from LON if connected in both directions but also from DXB/AUH if their BOM-DXB/AUH flights connected with SYD in both directions. For BOM-SYD, a B 77L is the ideal aircraft to fly the route on a 4 weekly basis initially then expanding to daily within a year. But shouldnt the flight to SYD start and terminate in DEL so that it offers something different to QF's SYD-BOM service! Even though this would mean higher operating costs but what about a DEL-BOM-SYD daily using a B 77L. Daily flights could work if connected with LHR and DXB in particular.


User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5891 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
Air India has right now:

7 747-400s (1 leased)
1 747-400M (leased)
2 747-300Ms
3 777-200ERs (leased)
1 777-200 (leased)
2 767-300ERs (leased)
4 A330-200s (leased)
4 777-200LRs + 4 on order
3 777-300ERs +12 on order
+2 A340-500s on order (leased)

I don't think this is accurate.

At least one of the two 743Ms is parked.
One of the 777s is out of service after the nosegear collapse.
Only 2 A330s
Not sure of the delivered quantities of the 77L and 77W, may be one more each.
No A345s coming.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5848 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
AI should also explore BOM-SYD flight timed to connect with BOM-LHR in both directions with its newer 777s. The feed from LHR-BOM should help load factors on BOM-SYD, as well as BOM-SE Asia flights.

I think AI would be crazy to start service to SYD if they have to rely mostly on connecting 6th freedom traffic. They would need daily service to be even remotely competitive with the dozens of other daily connecting services on the many other carriers in the market, for example EK with 8 daily London-DXB flights and 7 daily DXB-Australia flights. There can't be that much O&D traffic between India and Australia or QF would be operating more than 3 flights a week.

BOM (and DEL) also aren't the most attractive connecting hubs compared to DXB/DOH/SIN/KUL/BKK/HKG etc, which would mean AI would have to offer lower fares, further diluting revenue.

When AI pulled out of Australia the last time in 1992 the route had been unprofitable for years.


User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 540 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5814 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
Air India has right now:
7 747-400s (1 leased)
1 747-400M (leased)
2 747-300Ms
3 777-200ERs (leased)
1 777-200 (leased)
2 767-300ERs (leased)
4 A330-200s (leased)
4 777-200LRs + 4 on order
3 777-300ERs +12 on order
+2 A340-500s on order (leased)
With the cut of LAX, it seems the 747-400M will be withdrawn from the fleet.
What destinations get which aircraft?

A slight change to what you have mentioned above. Here is AI's current fleet as of now:

7 747-400s (6 owned + 1 leased)
1 747-400M (leased)
2 747-300M (1 stored at BOM, 1 in operation)
3 777-200ERs (2 in use, 1 under repair for damaged landing gear)
1 777-200A
1 767-300ER (leased - G-CEOD)
2 A330-200s (leased - VT-IWA/IWB)
5 777-200LRs (VT-ALA/B/C/D/E)
5 777-300ERs (VT-ALJ/K/L/M/N)

The lease of the A340-500s from Kingfisher seems to be a rumour with AI denying it officially.

Here is the deployment of AI aircraft to Europe and N. America.

AI 130/131: BOM-LHR: 1 332

AI 124/125: BOM-LHR-ORD: 1 744
AI 126/127: BOM-FRA-ORD: 1 744
(* Add one more 744 to this combo)

AI 191/144: AMD-BOM-CDG-EWR: 2 744

AI 136/137: BOM-DEL-FRA-LAX: 1 744

AI 132/133: BOM-AMD-LHR: 1 763

AI 111/112: DEL-LHR-JFK: 2 77W

AI 187/188: ATQ-BHX-YYZ: 1 772

AI 150/151: CCU-LHR: 1 332

AI 140/141: BOM-JFK: 2 77L

AI 101/102: DEL-JFK: 2 77L

In addition to the above, here is the deployment of the 743 and 772A

AI 306/307: BOM-DEL-NRT: 1 743

AI 716/717: BOM-DXB: 1 772A (sometimes operated by 77W)

- Vivek


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Sad to see AI leaving CDG. Hope to see them back there someday, along with Seoul and Osaka, ORD seems to be performing well for AI, any change of frequency increases?

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5786 times:



Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 9):

Thanks a lot. Air India's schedule is so confusing. Thanks for clearing it up.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5635 times:



Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 9):

Thanks for the comprehensive list.

Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 9):

AI 191/144: AMD-BOM-CDG-EWR: 2 744
AI 132/133: BOM-AMD-LHR: 1 763

I think BOM should be dropped from AI flights 132/133, and AMD should be dropped from AI flights 191/144. Why not schedule the AMD-LHR flights such that they connect to BOM-LHR-EWR, and BOM-LHR-ORD flights.

Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 9):

AI 124/125: BOM-LHR-ORD: 1 744
AI 126/127: BOM-FRA-ORD: 1 744

If DEL-FRA-LAX is dropped, why keep BOM-FRA-ORD if AI could get additional slots and route it through LHR.

Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 9):

AI 130/131: BOM-LHR: 1 332

Why keep the above flight once BOM-CDG-EWR switches to BOM-LHR-EWR. Could the slots for AI130/131 be exchanged for other slots to work towards a workable mini hub at LHR.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4986 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

There are a number of comments in this thread that do not reflect favorably on AI cabin service.
Their fare from JFK-LHR is Sept./Oct is unbeatable at this time. I am seriously considering it; am I going to get about what I pay for? If I paid one of the U.S legacy carriers $ 120 to $150 more, would I get a commensurate increase in value? I'm inclined to think that the answer is probably no.
Opinions please.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5302 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 13):
There are a number of comments in this thread that do not reflect favorably on AI cabin service.

There is a very reliable trip report in the TR section in regards to AI cabin service and the remarkable improvements in their inflight service and product.

Now that LAX is being discontinued, will we see Jet possibly add service to LAX, or are we going to have a long wait for direct service to India?


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5293 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 1):
However, the BOM-ORY-EWR

AI flies to CDG and not ORY. I am surprised they are dropping paris...guess the loads were dismal.

Thanks vivek for the comprehensive info about AI's utilization of the planes. I am a little less confused now.

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 13):
Their fare from JFK-LHR is Sept./Oct is unbeatable at this time.

I would go with AI if i were you. The JFK-LHR leg is on the brand new 77W and you won't be disappointed.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
When AI pulled out of Australia the last time in 1992 the route had been unprofitable for years.

So where will all the new B77L's and 77W's be deployed or are they going to replace the 744 and 743???

Well if AI wants to be profitable in a tough market, they need to tap some underserved markets. Behramjee always mentions flight to MAN, IAD and YVR, so why doesn't AI give these routes a try instead of LHR and JFK/EWR all over again???



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25381 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

I suppose no huge loss of LAX.

Since start up, AI's services have been plagued by poor performance including several well publicised lengthy flight delays stranding hundreds of passengers at the airport, AOGs, and the sparks flying emergency landing.

I know several in the travel agency trade whom advise that many of their Indian clients steer way clear of AI preferring to fly the likes of SQ, CX or European carriers instead. Seemingly the only positive I've heard about AI is that they offered very low FRA net fares for travel agents, allowing them to build various itineraries using AI.



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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5228 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 13):
There are a number of comments in this thread that do not reflect favorably on AI cabin service.
Their fare from JFK-LHR is Sept./Oct is unbeatable at this time. I am seriously considering it; am I going to get about what I pay for? If I paid one of the U.S legacy carriers $ 120 to $150 more, would I get a commensurate increase in value? I'm inclined to think that the answer is probably no.
Opinions please.

Two friends have just flown from NYC to visit me in London on AI. They could only rave about the on-board service and both said it was far, far superior to the US carriers.

They got a fantastic fare and would definitely use AI again on the route.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 17):
Two friends have just flown from NYC to visit me in London on AI. They could only rave about the on-board service and both said it was far, far superior to the US carriers.

It is good to know that service has improved. However, the perception of poor service from past is hard to erase. Just yesterday, I met a friend from India who flew to JFK on Emirates and was satisfied with the service. When asked why he doesn't fly AI, he recounted a bad experience from about 5 years ago, and said he expressly asks his travel agent not to give him any AI options.

[Edited 2008-08-05 11:13:47]

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5124 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18):
It is good to know that service has improved. However, the perception of poor service from past is hard to erase. Just yesterday, I met a friend from India who flew on JFK on Emirates and was satisfied with the service. When asked why he doesn't fly AI, he recounted a bad experience from about 5 years ago, and said he expressly asks his travel agent not to give him any AI options.

Air India is becoming like PIA in terms of passenger perceptions i.e. if you flew PKs or AIs B 777 operated flights, you will enjoy the on board cabin product immensely. However if you fly any other aircraft of PIA or AI, you are bound to be deeply disappointed!

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 15):
Behramjee always mentions flight to MAN, IAD and YVR, so why doesn't AI give these routes a try instead of LHR and JFK/EWR all over again???

I always mention MAN as it can be a better hub than MUC could for AI as from MAN, AI would face hardly any competition on MAN-IAH/IAD/SFO routes. Plus MAN-India O&D traffic is much higher than MUC.

As for IAD, I had originally mentioned that instead of launching new daily DEL-JFK nonstop, it should have been DEL-IAD nonstop with a UA codeshare as this route offered a lot of potential especially with UA's sizeable hub presence out of IAD.

As for IAH, it makes even more sense now with CO becoming a Star Alliance member + there are over 300,000 Indians living in the Houston/greater Houston area which includes San Antonio.

With regards to YVR, it is a vvv low yielding market to India and 95% of it is bound for DEL & ATQ combined for obvious reasons. YVR has the least money making potential comared to IAD and IAH for Air India.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5096 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 19):
As for IAH, it makes even more sense now with CO becoming a Star Alliance member + there are over 300,000 Indians living in the Houston/greater Houston area which includes San Antonio.

Would AI not face at least some competition from EK and the upcoming QR service from IAH?

Thomas



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5075 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 19):
As for IAD, I had originally mentioned that instead of launching new daily DEL-JFK nonstop, it should have been DEL-IAD nonstop with a UA codeshare as this route offered a lot of potential especially with UA's sizeable hub presence out of IAD.

I agree. I don't know when the rest of the 772LRs are being delivered, but any future non-stop service has to be to an UA hub. Three possibilities are BOM-ORD, DEL-IAD, and perhaps BLR-DEL-SFO on the same aircraft with customs/immigration at BLR for BLR bound passengers.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 20):

Would AI not face at least some competition from EK and the upcoming QR service from IAH?

Thomas
There is enough room for all to compete here...remember AI's J and F class would be priced much less than QR/EK as well as their Y class plus they will be offering a DIRECT ONE STOP flight using their new B 777 where as QR/EK would involve a change of aircraft + 3-5 hour transit in DXB or DOH which may not be welcomed by many pax.

At the end of the day, it all depends on how serious AI is about marketing the India-IAH route from a fares standpoint combined with its on board product advertising in the IAH area.

BOM-MAN-IAH 3 weekly B 773ER to begin with then increase to daily within 18 months should do ok especially with a CO codeshare on BOM-IAH-BOM and MAN-IAH-MAN sectors.

Plus remember via MAN, by AI being a STAR partner, it can code share on BMI, SAS, LX and LH flights to ZRH/FRA/MUC/DUS/CPH/LHR thus attracting valueable feeder traffic.

[Edited 2008-08-05 12:52:00]

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4986 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4913 times:



Quoting BAStew (Reply 17):
Two friends have just flown from NYC to visit me in London on AI. They could only rave about the on-board service and both said it was far, far superior to the US carriers.

They got a fantastic fare and would definitely use AI again on the route.

Thanks BAStew. This is what I needed to hear. My wife flew with them twice YYZ-LHR not long after the act of terrorism over the Irish Sea and found them excellent. Their security at that time was extremely tight.


User currently offline747MegaTop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4780 times:

I think AI needs to give some serious thought to the India-US-India route network by consolidating in one hub midway between India and North America rather than routing a few routes through one european cities, routing a few through another, terminating one or two routes in another and etc. I guess they need to get down to the fundamentals, chop up the North American continent into segments where they need sizeable service, then pick the important cities (and side by side a suitable partner like UA with many USA hubs). Then they could launch one stop services from BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA/Kolkotta/Amritsar/Ahmedabad/HYD to JFK/EWR/ORD/SEA/SFO/LAX/IAD/IAH/YVR/YYZ to start with via ONE major consolidated hub like FRA/CDG/LHR. Maybe the 787s would be ideal for such a route structure. They need to get something like this working versus irrational route structures like Ahmedabad-Bombay-wherever or BOM-DEL-FRA-Wherever or some such ridiculous route structures that existed before. I am not sure what they achieved by splitting North American traffic through FRA,LHR and CDG at the same time without getting a consistent product right first.

25 LAXDESI : Once DEL-LHR-JFK becomes DEL-LHR terminator flight, loads on the DEL-JFK non-stop should pick up nicely. They could have turned DEL-LHR-JFK into DEL-
26 Jfk777 : While the idea of a European hub sounds good to me its goofy. JFK needs to be served nonstop from Mumbai and Dehli. SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD, EWR and others
27 Cakentennis : Not if the land in between has a sizable portion of your countrymen and their offspring.
28 Vivekman2006 : Yep, very true. Besides, the DEL-JFK non-stop does not have a competitor, so the loads should be quite high. BOM-JFK on the other hand has a direct c
29 Richcandy : Hi There are lots of airlines offering fares to SYD from London via points in Asia, the middle east and the US. Most passengers from the UK to Austral
30 AznMadSci : How about converting the EWR flight to nonstop and consider partnering with CO once CO joins Star? What about consolidating service to EWR from JFK?
31 LAXDESI : Same aircraft service with immigration/customs at BLR/HYD/MAA would help both BOM/DEL-JFK non-stops. How about BLR-BOM-JFK(7x weekly), and MAA/HYD-DE
32 LAXDESI : As CO already flies EWR-BOM non-stop, it would be better for AI to consider BOM-ORD or DEL-IAD once more 772LRs are available. They have five now, an
33 Vivekman2006 : This can work, but AI would have to do away with their long layover at JFK. The roundtrip from BOM-BLR and back takes around 5 hours plus lets say an
34 Cricket : Guys, not much dramatic change will happen at AI until the next government comes along. However, I must admit that AI's in-flight magazine Namaskaar h
35 Behramjee : totally as more Indians live in EWR area than in the JFK/LGA area...also more feeder traffic potential avbl out of EWR with CO than from JFK. From EW
36 DYK : Talking with a old colleague that now works for YVRAA. AIr India has shelved plans to serve Vancouver the the main reason stated above...very low yie
37 Vivekman2006 : Does the 777-300ER have the range to do BOM-ORD non-stop without significant payload restrictions? - Vivek
38 LAXDESI : BOM-ORD GCM distance is 7,000 nm, and the 773ER's range is 7,700 nm. BOM-ORD on 773ER with zero cargo is theoretically possible, with tech stops on d
39 SFO777200LR : OK...so is SFO going to happen or not?
40 Nimish : Doubtful for the moment - given AI's overall slowing down...
41 LAXDESI : DL's discontinuation of JFK-BOM should improve loads on AI's JFK-BOM non-stop. Why hasn't AI looked into a codeshare with AA on JFK-BOM/DEL non-stops?
42 Vivekman2006 : I think AI's future codeshares will be implemented keeping its entry into Star Alliance in mind. Yep, that is a good idea. The 773ER can easily do th
43 Karan69 : Mate you indirectly answered your own question, Karan
44 LAXDESI : Perhaps I did. What would prevent AA from having a codeshare with both Jet and AI from JFK? I wonder if there are contractual restrictions.
45 777way : Have they also dropped Jakarta?
46 Ojas : Yes they have stopped flights to CGK.
47 SunriseValley : When is that to happen?
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