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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

While I know WN does not have a separate Cargo airline entity, it does carry some cargo on its planes. Does anyone know how much cargo they carried for 2007?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2701 times:



Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how much cargo they carried for 2007?

In 2007 had 223 million pounds of cargo generating $130mil revenue.



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

WN has a VERY aggressive and successful cargo operations. They dominate the markets they serve. Their overnight service is reasonable and GROWING!!

User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

How much can WN cargo grow with the limited capacity of the 737? Compared to carriers with a more varied fleet can WN ever dominate in the "cargo wars" among passenger carriers?


The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2520 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
In 2007 had 223 million pounds of cargo generating $130mil revenue.

What is that in ton-miles, and what percentage of the company's total revenue does $130 million represent? Just curious.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2520 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 2):
They dominate the markets they serve.

Are you sure that isn't a little hyperbole? Southwest "dominates" the San Francisco, Washington DC, Seattle, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, and Philadelphia cargo markets? News to me.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting Petteri (Reply 3):
How much can WN cargo grow with the limited capacity of the 737? Compared to carriers with a more varied fleet can WN ever dominate in the "cargo wars" among passenger carriers?

They can carry quite a lot of cargo. WN passengers don't check much luggage.

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 5):
Are you sure that isn't a little hyperbole? Southwest "dominates" the San Francisco, Washington DC, Seattle, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, and Philadelphia cargo markets? News to me.

They probably don't dominate the heavy cargo market, but commercial airlines carry most of the US Mail that is not trucked. The link talks about Continental carrying 11 million pounds of mail in one month:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5908494.html

Southwest probably does dominate the mail contracts into such towns as Amarillo since there are no other carriers flying large aircraft.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2420 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
Southwest probably does dominate the mail contracts into such towns as Amarillo since there are no other carriers flying large aircraft.

SWA no longer carries US mail....


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2420 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
commercial airlines carry most of the US Mail that is not trucked

True, but there are a lot of commercial airlines here in the U.S., many larger than WN.  Smile

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
Continental carrying 11 million pounds of mail in one month:

Please don't take this as rudeness, but "11 million pounds of mail in one month" is meaningless unless expressed in terms of ton-miles.

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
Southwest probably does dominate the mail contracts into such towns as Amarillo since there are no other carriers flying large aircraft.

Fair enough.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2375 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 8):
Please don't take this as rudeness, but "11 million pounds of mail in one month" is meaningless unless expressed in terms of ton-miles.

Unless you are the ramp guy who works at IAH where the mail passes through and have to lift all those bags on to the baggage loading belts. What a way to build muscles, especially in the 100 degree heat in the summer!!


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

They've had counter to counter service since they started, but they had to implement lots of restrictions after 9-11. I used to use it fairly frequently, because it was possible to send brochures and presentation packages and get them picked up at the destination airport on the same day. Prior to 9-11 all you had to do was show up at the freight terminal and ship whatever you wanted to ship. Nowadays, you have to submit a long application form with credit references in order to ship anything larger than 1 pound.

User currently offlineUzimmermann From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

I often get overnight shipments from Hewlett-Packard coming from Houston, coming to me via Oakland or San Francisco. Usual Ceva Logistic (ex-Eagle GL) who uses about 2/3 of the time CO, rest is often WN. Always have the airline stickers still on the packages with flight numbers etc.

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6729 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2263 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 8):
True, but there are a lot of commercial airlines here in the U.S., many larger than WN.

WN was the largest in terms of domestic pax carried, and are on the way to being the largest in terms of actual domestic flights due to the cut back by all the other legacies, so no, there are not a lot of commercial airlines in the US larger than WN, you probably need to be more specific in what you mean. International - no contest-, varied fleet types, I would question the more cargo lift as most legacies are not flying their wide body a/c across the US, lots of Mad Dogs, A320's, and RJ's so across the board, the WN 737's will have comparable capacity.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Lots and lots of Lobsters out of Manchester, NH that start the day here and end up on restaurant tables that same evening in LA or Seattle or Houston or wherever.

User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2234 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
They can carry quite a lot of cargo. WN passengers don't check much luggage.

I would suspect that with the new baggage fees that everyone is carrying a lot less bags these days. While I have no doubt that due to the large network that WN has that they do carry a good amount of freight, but I still think they are limited by the 737. With other carriers using much larger planes, the potential exists for more business. Even a 319 can hold more in the bins than many of the 737s that WN operates.



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User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2179 times:



Quoting Petteri (Reply 14):
I would suspect that with the new baggage fees that everyone is carrying a lot less bags these days.

That's not what he means. He is stating that WN passengers have never checked many bags. Outside of weekend flights and MCO/LAS, a very large percentage of WN passengers are business travelers on day trips or 1/2 night trips and only have a rolling bag.


User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2174 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 15):
That's not what he means. He is stating that WN passengers have never checked many bags. Outside of weekend flights and MCO/LAS, a very large percentage of WN passengers are business travelers on day trips or 1/2 night trips and only have a rolling bag.

Yea, I understand that. I'm saying that the bag numbers for everyone else are probably going down and freeing up room for cargo. With bag fees for a 2nd checked bag running from $20 to $50 it seems that the general public has resigned themselves to only bringing one bag per person. Now we'll see if those who are really ticked at this will move over to WN and bring their bags with them, bringing up WN's bag numbers. I don't think this will happen in great numbers but you never know...



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2021 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 5):
Are you sure that isn't a little hyperbole? Southwest "dominates" the San Francisco, Washington DC, Seattle, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, and Philadelphia cargo markets? News to me.

WN dominates the parcel service in their markets. For packages less than 200 lbs, WN is the darlings for the Known Shippers and IAC. When UPS and FedEx offer close to $2.00/ lb for single zone shipping and WN offers .06/lb + .45 FSC cross country who do you think is the darling????

Why are the legacy carriers attempting to model their cargo rates to WN???


Ask any Forwarder who their primary AIR service provider is. FYI.....Ceva depends on WN.


User currently offlineSwatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Hello All

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 6):
WN passengers don't check much luggage

Tell that to my back.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 7):
SWA no longer carries US mail....

Well, yes and no.

We no longer carry mail for the USPS.

BUT, I have been seeing more & more mail that was shipped as freight going out on are planes. And we have no problem with mail that is shipped as freight because we dont have to follow all the stupid USPS rules.

Cheers

swatpamike


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1950 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 17):

Interesting. Do you have any sources?


User currently offlineCOTPARampGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1942 times:



Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 18):

You guys work like crazy over there at SWA!

I believe CO has 11 million pounds of mail a month. If we aren't offloading 4000+ pounds off a 738 it's an abnormality.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
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Isn't WN quite a bit more point to point vs. hub & spoke...could that have a bit to do with their lower cargo costs, as well as faster delivery times, and less delayed packages?

Also, how is ton/mile calculated... Lets say it's 500mi from Town A to Town C.....but the package travels 750 miles because it connects in Town B. Would it be Tons*total miles traveled or Tons*miles from Town A to Town C directly?

Thanks!



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1853 times:



Quoting Petteri (Reply 14):
737. With other carriers using much larger planes, the potential exists for more business. Even a 319 can hold more in the bins than many of the 737s that WN operates.

And CO and AA fly what type of eqp mainly.....wait 73s!..barely any domestic flights these days are "much" larger planes than a 739....

The evidence that 738 can haul cargo....

Quoting COTPARampGuy (Reply 20):
If we aren't offloading 4000+ pounds off a 738 it's an abnormality.




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User currently offlineCOTPARampGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

That's not even half the bin though. CO sure knows how to cram crap in there though, we load a ton of stuff on the 735 to CLE everyday too.

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