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The Status Of UAL's B 747SPs?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

From what I have heard, there are still a few B 747 SP of UAL sitting in a desert doing nothing. For example: N147UA.

They haven't been flying for at least five years. Does anyone know why are they in a desert doing nothing?

Also, what is going to happen to these planes?

 Smile

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User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

One of United's 747SP's is being used as the SOFIA high altitude telescope. They are still up for sale on UALServices.

Remember, United used the 747SP's as a stopgap airplane on long routes until the 747-400 was ready.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1395 times:

That was in the mid 90s. Right?

User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1376 times:

yeah

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1371 times:

In fact, UAL can still fly them today for some of the ultra short routes. However, it is too expensive to operate such old planes.

WHy don't they rent them out? I am sure some third world countries would want it.


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

United Airline,

no-one wants them...they are for sale. Go to www.ualservices.com

Yes, you can buy a 747SP!  Nuts


User currently offlineSJC>SFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Yeah I noticed on Continental's website that they have about 3 747-200s (didn't even know they had operated these) 6 Dc-10s, and a couple of 727s. All you rich yuppies out there should go buy yourself a big airplane!

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

I emailed CO asking for a quote on one of their 742's, and they just blew me off.

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

I flew on one of UA's 747SP's in 1993, from MIA to IAD. The flight continued to CDG and Geneva. That was the only 747 that I have ever flown on. I am aware that UA got those planes from PA when it bought the Pacific routes from the struggling pioneer airline. All the same, the flight was OK but the interior looked dated and the IFE was also primitive, compared to that in the 757-222 which I had flown on that same day.

It is sad to see the classics go, though. With only 45 or so built and their unique characteristics, 747SPs will be hard to sell.

 Sad
Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

I wish they are available for us to get on them. At least for a visit. I miss them so much!

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Biggest problem with the SP is that they have the same operating costs of the 'classic' aircraft - yet only 2/3 of the seats. Therefore, your seat mile costs are 50% higher.

User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned http://www.747sp.com

Great site for info, including the whereabouts of all the 74Ls

Andy


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Yes, 747SP.com is a great site. And it has all the answers, although the news pouring in are getting lesser and lesser - like the aircraft in service.
The SP is one of my favourite aircraft of all time because its so special in any aspect. Unique looks, size, rarity, history. And there´s one of the best books in aviation donated to this plane, written by Brian Baum.
The SP is like a Rolls-Royce to me: Impressive, oldfashioned, technically not up-to-date but very emotional. Maybe thats why its only truly market success is with some of the richest Roll-Royce drivers in the world: the Arabian Kings and Sheiks. They use them not so often so even if these planes are rare you´ll see one or the other still well into the next decade. I wonder if some might be re-engined after a few have been modified with 744-style two-man-cockpits already.
Its sad to see that most SPs are just sitting years in the desert after being retired from airline service. The Korean duo, the Air China planes, the United/Pan Am-fleet. I don´t think that the United aircraft will see another operator except the "SOFIA"-plane. They have been used very extensively, a very high "mileage" on the clock.
And the SPs safety statistic is excellent: Not a single one has been involved in a serious accident, only one 23-year-old SP was an insurance write-off after a relatively minor incident (engine blown-off) at an somewhat exotic location (Mozambique) two years ago.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Gentlemen...
Is it possible to build a 747-400SP???
In other words, build a brand new 747SP, using the technologies & features of a -400??? Could such an aircraft find a niche today? Regards.



"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

No way, because it would be exactly where the - less impressive - B777-200 and the A340-300 are competing now (btw I would prefer to fly in a 747X-SP rather than in a 777).
But I would bet that such an airplane would be a bestseller with Arabian kings and others sitting on earth´s most precious resources. Means that a small series of up to 25 guilded Jumbos could be sold in a 10 year production run.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Given that there are a number of 747SP's sitting out at several storage depots, I think there is a way to revive them. I would suggest doing the following:

1. Zero-time the airframe.

2. Install the two-crew 747-400 cockpit.

3. Install new, more efficient turbofan engines to replace the original JT9D-7's.

4. Install Aviation Partners winglets.

5. Put in a 777-style interior.

An upgraded 747SP like this could easily fly JFK-HKG with no load limitations using the route the CO 777-200ER is now using.


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Some of them are at Marana, and some has been broken up at Ardmore, Ok I am not sure of how many. I t would be nice If that company Jet Acquisitions that was interested in TWA pick the remaining ones up along with some ex DL. Tristars and a few Md-80'S and form a new airline!


Treat others as you expect to be treated!
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

The 777-200ER can fly EWR-HKG/JFK-HKG with no limitations.

User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

How do you zero the time frame?

User currently offlineMit From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

"How do you zero the time frame?"

Easy: purchase 747SP. Take cash equivalent to purchase price of 777 and spend on repairs/upgrades to 747SP. Voila ... a super cool 20 year old airliner, that all the 20 year old airline enthusiasts really like. And the operating/acquisition costs are only 25-50% higher than 777!

[remove tongue from cheek]

I would love to see this happen. But airlines are pretty good at figuring out which planes will make them money. The market has voted on the 747SP and the answer is a resounding no.  Sad


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Mit:


I, myself hate to see a B 747 Classic go........


Des


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