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CO FA Sues Osteen; Head To Court  
User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

Apparently Victoria Osteen, wife of pastor Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church is being sued by a CO flight attendant over an alledged assault on board a CO flight in December 2005:




http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5927129.html


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User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

If this case doesn't favor the Osteens in the end, does anyone suppose this could turn into something bigger where there's some anti-Continental movement in Houston and shun the hometown airline in some sort of crusade? Maybe I'm just up too late and letting my imagination run wild but for some reason, I just can't help but think that such a scenario wouldn't be too far off in this day and age.


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User currently offlineBriGuyinHou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8104 times:



Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 1):
If this case doesn't favor the Osteens in the end, does anyone suppose this could turn into something bigger where there's some anti-Continental movement in Houston and shun the hometown airline in some sort of crusade? Maybe I'm just up too late and letting my imagination run wild but for some reason, I just can't help but think that such a scenario wouldn't be too far off in this day and age.

There will be no anti-Continental movement in Houston, as we are really proud and thankful that we have top-notch carrier that calls Houston home. If anything, we would see an anti-Lakewood Church movement. Lakewood Church is often called McChurch in conversation. Joel Osteen is like the Oprah Winfrey of televised church. He is seen on Sunday mornings around the world and has a very large and very diverse following but its not nearly as impassioned as Islam. Remember the huge public demonstrations muslims displayed when a Dutch newspaper published an editorial cartoon featuring a cartoon drawing of Allah? The sentiment is not anything like that. The sentiment amongst his followings would be more in line with the time Oprah Winfrey was denied service at, gosh, I want to say a Versaci store in Paris and claimed it was discrimmination, when really they were closed? People just read it, form a little opinion and move on to the next Hollywood episode.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8074 times:
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I believe it was Hermes! And I say more power to Hermes for putting home girl in her place.


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User currently offlineVoar From Canada, joined Jul 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

I'm amazed she wasn't flying on a private jet! I assume the church makes enough to afford that no? Either way, it seems the FO (right or not) is milking this for all its worth... 10% of total net worth!!  eyepopping 

User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

I have no background information on the incident but in my opinion it looks like another ordinary lawsuit brought on by a private person who just happens to be a CO F/A. People sue each other all the time in the US. I guess since the person being sued is a sort of "celebrity" and the person suing is a CO F/A it thus becomes "news".


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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2244 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

from the article:
"...flight attendant...says she lost her faith and suffered a hemorrhoidal flare-up after being assaulted by Victoria Osteen..."

That made my day...

 bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

I can see this now:

Victoria Osteen complains that there is some liquid on the armrest of her seat and asks the F/A to clean it up. The F/A doesn't move fast enough to suit her so she pushes the said F/A.
The Osteens are removed from the aircraft and fined $3K (according to our news station)

CO investigates and determines that the incident was a problem with a passenger, not the F/A, closes the books on it.

F/A hires a lawyer and determines that there is money to be had after all Victoria is a minor celeb in Houston.

You go where the money is!

It seems that since this incident, Joel Osteen himself appears to be pitching himself more as a motivational speaker than a preacher. He had a best selling self-help book.


User currently offlineJustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

I would be very surprised if Victoria Osteen is the worst this FA has had to deal with.

It's a stupid Stupid lawsuit, I mean hemorroids? How? What did Victoria Osteen do? Attack her with a rectal thermometer? Give me a break. Loss of faith? That treads on separation of church and state and for courts to micromanage that, the case shoud get thrown out on this for lack of standing for the court to judge.

Just another wackjob trying to get rich on an out-of-court settlement. I hope the Osteen's fight it on principle. I mean dealing with passenger issues is HER JOB, she is trained for it and told to expect it. Hemorroids and Post Traumatic Stress? Because of a 10 minute conflict? What an insult to soldiers and combatants that deal with real nightmares, horrors that defy language, not recurring images of of ginger ale on an armrest. ..uugghhh..... Our courts are really screwed up.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7213 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 6):
"...flight attendant...says she lost her faith and suffered a hemorrhoidal flare-up after being assaulted by Victoria Osteen..."



Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 8):
What did Victoria Osteen do?

Stuck a crucifix where the sun don't shine?


This won't go to trial and a settlement between parties.



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Just once I would like to see something happen to these people at like to cause trouble and injury to the flight crews. Maybe if the courts had some back bone and send some to jail and fine them nice and good. And then black list them from fliying on any carrier. Should get the message out you don't screw around with the flight crew period the end.....

Chuck


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5681 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7078 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
And I say more power to Hermes for putting home girl in her place.

Amen to that...

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 6):
flight attendant...says she lost her faith and suffered a hemorrhoidal flare-up after being assaulted by Victoria Osteen

LMAO, it'd probably happen to me too if i had to se her again, yeesh...



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7028 times:
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Good for Ms. Brown. Maybe by winning a big settlement this will send a message to other passengers that it is not okay to physically assault someone just because they did not immediately jump when you snapped your fingers. Maybe it'll counter the message Osteen was sending to her kids by behaving this way in their presence, that is is okay to physically assault someone if they don't drop everything they're doing and immediately do as you ask. Thank goodness we no longer live in the kind of medieval society that thinks mistreatment of service employees is ever acceptable.


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User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6963 times:



Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 8):
I would be very surprised if Victoria Osteen is the worst this FA has had to deal with.

I agree totally on this one.

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 8):
It's a stupid Stupid lawsuit, I mean hemorroids? How? What did Victoria Osteen do? Attack her with a rectal thermometer? Give me a break.

This is one of the funniest statementsI have read here in a long time! It made me fall off my computer chair laughing (I have a vivid imagination, you know)!

Remember the rich usually do have an overblown sense of entitlement, especially new money. They can act in ways and get away with it doing things that we wouldn't even dare...

My theory: Being rich allows you to behave strangely without recourse from others.


User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6929 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 13):
Remember the rich usually do have an overblown sense of entitlement, especially new money. They can act in ways and get away with it doing things that we wouldn't even dare...

Which is kinda why I daydreamed about an anti-Continental crusade.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 13):
I have a vivid imagination

Using that as my disclaimer, with the above quote on entitlement, I imagined the Osteens starting a backlash similar in magnitude to the Beatles and the Jesus comparison.

Oh well... Back to reality!



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2244 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6902 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 12):
Good for Ms. Brown. Maybe by winning a big settlement this will send a message to other passengers that it is not okay to physically assault someone just because they did not immediately jump when you snapped your fingers.

Here's your settlement...lifetime supply



Now get lost



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User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Based on the information that we have from the news articles, I would have to side with the F/A on this one. People with a sense of entitlement who think that people should jump at their every whim make me sick. But for someone who is co-pastor of such a well known church to actually physically push someone who didn't respond quite fast enough for her taste, that is just infuriating. A lot of these big church leaders are complete hypocrites, and it is nice to see some of their hypocrisy exposed.

As you can tell, I never would have made the jury.  Smile

I doubt she will get 10% of the Mrs. Osteen's net worth, but I am sure she will get a nice little settlement out of the deal. I think that people in all of these types of lawsuits (frivolous or not) sue for more than they actually expect to get, and then get what they were really shooting for out of the settlement.



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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

If Mrs. Osteen did assault a Flight Attendant then she should get more than just a $3,000.00 fine from the FAA. I think that maybe she should spend some time in jail. If everything is true and Mrs. Osteen is found guilty in the trial then she should pay some kind of cost to the F/A, I think 10% of Mrs. Osteen's net worth is a little much.


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User currently offlineSq2ams From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4932 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 6):
"...flight attendant...says she lost her faith and suffered a hemorrhoidal flare-up after being assaulted by Victoria Osteen..."

OMG, if I didn't see this I wouldn't believe it, but I read it for myself in the article. From my viewpoint what scares me is the fact that I am not a spring chicken anymore and have arthritis. What would happen if I got out of my seat on one of my long int'l flights and because of my arthritis accidentally bumped a F/A? I just couldn't live with myself if I knew I caused a CO F/A to loose her faith and suffer a hemorrhoidal flare-up. Heck what if she followed the bump with a gastric - intestinal attack? I would probably get sued not only by the F/A but all the passengers she exposed to her attack caused by my bump. No sir, I don't have time to go to court, I'd just find me another airline. I'm scared now, maybe I'd better take a boat to Europe. It might cost me more than my usual BC ticket but at least I won't get sued for having arthritis..

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 15):
Here's your settlement...lifetime supply

Now that made my day. Big grin  bigthumbsup  Kind of like that Homer71, got a good sense of humor


User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

This FA tried to sue another airport employee for basically the same thing. I think Kanye said it best, "she's a good digga".

User currently offlineBriguyinhou From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Since yesterday, when I read this news story, I have had nightmares, cold sweats, difficulty with bowel movements, and vaginal discharge --- and I don't even have a vagina! I'm thinking of suing this FA, Sharon Brown for filing a lawsuit like this knowing it would be picked up in the news media.

I don't hope she wins this lawsuit, but then again, I don't hope she loses either. Because I think Victoria Osteen did in fact act in an unlady like manner and caused a disturbance. If I were on the jury I'd give Ms. Brown a little something-something. but certainly not 10% of Ms Osteen's wealth.

What I'm a little trouble with is the fact that CO did not call police when this incident occured because they wanted to avoid the publicity. But if you or I had acted like this I think we would have received different treatment from CO than Ms. Osteen did.



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User currently offlineMidcon385 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4253 times:

Here's the thing: We're all human. We all make mistakes. Some of us, more than others (I speak from experience). But those who claim to hold themselves to a higher standard due to their faith should expect to be held to that by others as well, I suppose. And assaulting of flight or cabin crew is just plain wrong, no matter what your faith or if you have no faith at all. As far as the hemorrhoid thing, well, it's kind of odd...but who knows.

Best regards,

Tim



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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4230 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 6):
from the article:
"...flight attendant...says she lost her faith and suffered a hemorrhoidal flare-up after being assaulted by Victoria Osteen..."

That made my day...

Yeah, same for me!  Wink

Hell...things are possible in these days...


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4085 times:
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Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 19):

yes, you are right.



okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

August 7..............

"Continental Airlines flight attendant Maria Johnson testified that Victoria Osteen grew increasingly agitated and pushed her co-worker Sharon Brown, though the flight attendants had remained professional and reassured her a crew had been called to clean the spill, which was about the size of a 50-cent piece.

"She was demanding that attention be given to her immediately," Johnson said. She added that Victoria Osteen kept saying: "This is ridiculous. I'm a first-class passenger."

Brown is suing Victoria Osteen, alleging that she threw her against a bathroom door and elbowed her in the breast before the start of a 2005 flight to Vail, Colo.

Johnson confirmed Brown's claims that Victoria Osteen became so upset she tried to get into the cockpit and had to be physically restrained.

"She took Sharon by the shoulders and pushed her out of the way. Sharon stumbled," Johnson testified.

Rusty Hardin, Victoria Osteen's attorney, said the lawsuit is simply a money grab.


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Hey.........all of us get upset sometimes. Victoria Osteen should admit she "lost it." No problem.

Sharon Brown, the flight attendant, should admit she took it personally, and realize that Victoria is human and made a mistake. No problem.

Victoria should apologize and admit that she is human.

This is the tragedy of the 21st Century. We all think that we are special and we identify with our physical form and with our thoughts. We think that this is reality!

We fail to realize that we are the silence within. The silence within is identical in all of us.

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25 WesternA318 : She cant do that...shes an OSTEEN!
26 RedFlyer : OMG!!! I almost got a 'rhoid just from laughing so hard at that comment!!!! Isn't that the truth! Seriously, though, regardless of the validity - or
27 Post contains links BriGuyinHou : Here is the latest scoop of the courtroom drama... looks like its turned racial: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5930118.html excerpt courte
28 Type-Rated : Oh my, this is getting deep. I was wondering if the race card would be thrown out there and used....... Well, just think what we have to look forward
29 Post contains links Type-Rated : The elephant is now out in the room! http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=6314905 Joel Osteen claims that his wife did NOT push the
30 Manfredj : I'm just wondering if you folks have any idea what your doing to our country. Lawsuits like these are what makes like difficult for everyone else. Ou
31 JBirdAV8r : They did mention "first class" and don't they have at least seasonal mainline service to EGE?
32 Justloveplanes : I agree, right now, the elbow to the stomach must be viewed in the same light as hemorroids and loss of faith, in that it might be an exaggeration. T
33 Iaherj : It was a 757 IAH to EGE
34 AA767LOVER : Her testimony as a Christian is in jeopardy. This is what the Church worries more about.
35 TN757Flyer : As much as I have distaste for Joel Osteen and his wife, where does this type nonsense end? Come on - "Brown claims she lost her religious faith and s
36 Post contains links PC12Fan : And of course you were there and can back up Ms. Brown.................... Yeaaa. I think that's it in a nut shell. Three other passengers in first h
37 CAETravlr : Its fine if you don't agree with my point of view on this, but who are you to tell me what I should believe and what I should rethink? Did I say that
38 AznMadSci : I just heard this on the local news here in Houston ... I almost laughed so hard that I could probably have hemorrhoids as well!
39 Post contains links Homer71 : Looks like this isn't the first time Ms. Brown accused someone of assault: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5942631.html (Excerpt) Hardin wra
40 MCOtoATL : The pilot, as well as three first-class passengers all testified that they never heard any arguing and never saw any altercation. Is Mrs. Osteen was s
41 Post contains links N757KW : Well looks like the jury sided with Mrs. Osteen. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_re_us/osteen_s_wife_lawsuit N757KW
42 Slider : So what happens to her in terms of her job at CAL? I mean, flight attendants have the right to engage in civil court as they wish without the company'
43 TN757Flyer : She wasn't caught lying, the jury that found Ms. Osteen did not assault her. Just because a person files a case in court and loses, it does not make
44 CALMSP : since this has nothing to do with her job, nothing will happen. CO hasn't even made a sttement regarding this suit, and wont make a statement.
45 SLCUT2777 : The Bakker's and the Swaggert's of two decades ago being a classic case in point! I hope that the powers that be at CO back her up. Still further I t
46 Scoobyd75 : Just found out today that Osteen won and was cleared of all charges. The FA lost..
47 SCXmechanic : I'm curious how The Osteens got fined by the FAA if the flightdeck crew wasn't aware of the issue. Did the FA's call security on their own? I honestly
48 Turtle : No kidding this is a dash for the cash. I'm glad the FA lost. Talk about frivilous ~ "I can no longer go to church and I got hemmorhoid". The FA is se
49 Slider : Well, batting .500 is OK I suppose.
50 EWRCabincrew : Regardless of what the jury said, there are always three sides to every story. The plaintiff's side, the defendant's side and the truth. In a trial, y
51 Post contains links BriGuyinHou : More info on the verdict here: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5943578.html From the Houston Chronicle: After more than two years of accusat
52 SLCUT2777 : Her claims about hemeroids made me laugh myself silly, but she is nowhere near the same level of slime as Jessica Hahn was two decades ago. This more
53 Type-Rated : Actually, I quite liked Joel's father, John Osteen much better. He was a real hell, fire & brimstone kinda guy. I saw him on television quite a number
54 Allstarflyer : Yeah, if they actually did, then, sure. Nobody likes a gold-digger, though, which is what the jury basically determined the FA to be.
55 Jbernie : Not in TX so I don't get the local media coverage which might be a good thing in this case, I think if the F/A left it at the incident on the plane a
56 LAXdude1023 : As much as Im not a fan of the Osteen's and wish that she was actually guilty, the FA was simply digging for money. Honestly I think CO should fire he
57 BHMBAGLOCK : Considering the fact that three other F passengers and one of the pilots testified in support of Osteen that would seem to be unlikely. Perhaps they'
58 SLCUT2777 : I'm certain the late Johnny Cochran was smiling at her from 6' under! Read this one: There are more attorneys per capita in the U.S. than any other c
59 Post contains links Type-Rated : Today the Osteens made this case the subject of their sermon today. Victoria said she didn't worry about it, she just "turned it over" to the Lord. Jo
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