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DL/NW Cleared By European Commision  
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5234 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

It looks like the European Commision has unconditionally approved the merger between DL and NW. More here:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11133


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

one more step toward DL becoming the US' first truly global megacarrier.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4353 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
one more step toward DL becoming the US' first truly global megacarrier.

What of PanAm? TWA?



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4342 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
What of PanAm? TWA?

..and AA, UAL, even CO with their global-reach....

oh wait, it's WorldTraveler....  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4308 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
..and AA, UAL, even CO with their global-reach....

oh wait, it's WorldTraveler....

LOL

No kidding...it makes for good entertainment though, his schtick.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4282 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
What of PanAm? TWA?

What of them?

They were both epic failures.

Yeah, I said it.


User currently offlineOta1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4249 times:
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Good news for CO & *A - one step closer as well.  Smile

Couldn't care less about DL and NW though...


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2241 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4249 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
They were both epic failures.

Not in their (regulated) day. They were the kings. I guess UA will be next.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4229 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
What of them?

They were both epic failures.

Yeah, I said it.

And. They were and you said it. Doesn't take away that they were US's first, at least PanAm, global megacarrier.

Good for DL, to be added to that list.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4226 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7):

True but I was just stating the obvious.

In all seriousness, all of this "global", "mega", and "truly" rhetoric is just that and nothing more. It's a result of both company's management trying to sell the merger, which I wholeheartedly support.

I am, as many of you know, an employee of DL.

What we're witnessing with this merger is two companies both living up to their potential.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4200 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
I was just stating the obvious.

Obvious on both counts (failure and first global megacarrier).

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
It's a result of both company's management trying to sell the merger

As well as they should.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
which I wholeheartedly support.

You should. It helps the job security (as much as there is in the airline industry).

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
I am, as many of you know, an employee of DL.

We would have never known that. Big grin

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
What we're witnessing with this merger is two companies both living up to their potential.

As well as they should. All the best for that, too.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting Ota1 (Reply 6):

Couldn't care less about DL and NW though...

Then why did you post?  Yeah sure

Excellent for DL/NW. It wasn't like it wasn't going to be approved anyway though.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
What of PanAm? TWA?

TWA's service to the Orient and SA was limited, Pan Am service to just about the only large global carrier really, but this new carrier will have far greater reach than either of those.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
and AA, UAL, even CO with their global-reach....

CO, AA are weak in Asia and having nothing in Africa, United is weak as well in Africa and not a overly large player in SA.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
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more importantly from my point of view another significant step towards the liberation of CO from 'that other alliance' - I can't wait until we have a *A carrier from BRU to NYC  veryhappy 


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User currently offlineReltney From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

It is not a merger, it is a buyout.

The first time the press got it right. The EU reported it correctly and the press did not mess it up.
" European regulators sign off on Delta Air Lines buyout of Northwest Airlines "

I am not sorry to slam the nay sayers but here it is.. A buyout...

If in doubt check out yahoo airline news and see who is reporting what..



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3915 times:



Quoting Reltney (Reply 14):
It is not a merger, it is a buyout.

Define what you think a merger is and give an example of a merger in the airline business or any business.


User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3808 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
Define what you think a merger is and give an example of a merger in the airline business or any business.

A merger is when two or more companies combine their assets to form a brand new company. Legally the previous companies cease to exist after the merger close date. An example of this is when Daimler-Benz and Chrysler motors mered their companies to create a new company called DaimlerChrysler. Daimler-Benz did not issue stock to Chrysler shareholders and Chrysler did not issue stock to Daimler-Benz shareholders. Daimler-Benz shareholders and Chrysler shareholders traded in their stock for new stock in DaimlerChrysler based on the negotiated terms of what each share would be worth in the new company.


Source - http://www.theautochannel.com/news/p...ess/date/19980507/press012154.html

(Look for the bullet point about the exchange ratios and you will see EACH company has a ratio of what their stock is worth in the new company)

A buyout is when one company, through the issuance of stock, payment of cash, issurance of debt or a combination of the three purcahses another company. The way you can tell if its a buyout or not is if they say something like "Each NW shareholder will receive xxx DL shares for 1 share of NW stock." The DL company continues to exist legally while the NW company ceases to exist on closing day. What they are doing is merging the OPERATIONS of both companies, however, on paper, DL is buying NW.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9297 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3755 times:



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
..and AA, UAL, even CO with their global-reach....

AA weak in Asia, Africa and Oz.
UA weak in Europe, Africa and Latin America
CO weak in Asia, Oz. and Africa
DL/NW weak in OZ. (soon to change.)

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
They were both epic failures.

Yeah, I said it.

Lets just hope Delta doesn't go down this road.

Quoting NYC2theworld (Reply 16):
"Each NW shareholder will receive xxx DL shares for 1 share of NW stock

1.25

Quoting NYC2theworld (Reply 16):
What they are doing is merging the OPERATIONS of both companies, however, on paper, DL is buying NW.

This is true.
Lets just remember US was calling the takeover of Delta a merger. Just because the Company says it doesn't mean it true.



yep.
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4880 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3755 times:
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Doesn't take away that they were US's first, at least PanAm, global megacarrier.

Global, certainly yes, but Mega? Never. For the U.S.'s "Chosen Instrument", Pan Am was surprisingly small. It had the reach (all continents, etc.) but many of those services were 1-2x weekly, and most of all, it lacked a comprehensive domestic system (even after the merger with National). Judging by the traditional measures of size (i.e., Revenue Pax Miles) or even by other measures such as # of pax carried, total operating revenues, etc., PA was never ever in the top echelon of carriers.

Delta-Northwest will indeed be the U.S.'s first global mega carrier in terms of having the breadth and depth not only around the world, but also at home; the latter being something that neither Pan Am nor TWA ever had.

So perhaps the new combined DL-NW can be renamed "Pan Am", please?  Smile


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3736 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
one more step toward DL becoming the US' first truly global megacarrier.

What of PanAm? TWA?

Uh oh...history wouldn't bode well then for this new "Mega Carrier".. stirthepot  duck ..

Actually, it won't make a difference for most travelers, especially ones which are loyal to other carriers....in fact, it won't even fulfill most of my traveling needs..except when I need to fly ATL-SJC next week (but a DL+NW merger wouldn't make a difference anyway)...heck, even that won't affect my flying as I'm flying ATL-DFW-SJC instead... biggrin 



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3709 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
So perhaps the new combined DL-NW can be renamed "Pan Am", please?

No. Never.

Besides, the Pan Am brand has been shat upon consistently by that scab 727 operation(s) at SFB for years now. Thank God that finally died.


User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 956 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

I do not think the old TW and PA route networks are comparable to what DL will eventually be. DL's network is based on nonstop traffic from the US, whereas TW and PA had focus cities and hubs in Europe back in the day. Also, TW never had much of a presence in Asia. The merger will create a carrier that has the breadth and scope of a global airline that can serve the world from the US without reliance on short-haul traffic from a European hub or focus city. This type of airline is new, and I don't have much confidence in DL to compete well against CO in NYC, but it will be what it will be.

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6533 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Pan Am was THE premier global carrier. It's weakest link was its domestic network.

I'm a DL fan, but I'm more of a PA fan by a long shot, and to me it's embarrassing to even compare the DL of today to PA in its heyday. It's nice to see DL span the globe, certainly, but it'd be nicer if those 77L's had the PA globe on the tail.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24922 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3582 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 7):
Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
They were both epic failures.

Not in their (regulated) day. They were the kings. I guess UA will be next.

Even in the regulated era, PA rarely earned adequate profits. And for all except the last few years of their existence, PA couldn't carry U.S. domestic traffic (except Hawaii/Alaska) which seriously handicapped their ability to feed their international network. And both PA and TW suffered from poor management for much of their existence, especially the latter decade or two.

And despite TW's name, their Asian operations were very limited.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3559 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 24):
Pan Am was THE premier global carrier. It's weakest link was its domestic network.

I'm a DL fan, but I'm more of a PA fan by a long shot, and to me it's embarrassing to even compare the DL of today to PA in its heyday. It's nice to see DL span the globe, certainly, but it'd be nicer if those 77L's had the PA globe on the tail.

in all honesty, PA never flew to as many places as often as DL does.

Global megacarrier is a fair assessment of what DL/NW will be. No other US airline has the global scope that DL/NW will have and no foreign airline is as strong in its home markets as any of the big 3 US carriers.

Whatever term you may like is up to you but DL will be in a class by itself in world aviation with the size and expanse of its int'l and domestic route systems and fleets. No current or former carrier has ever been what DL will be post-merger.


25 MSYtristar : Exactly...thanks to DL's expansive domestic network. Post merger, they'll be fairly even in the Pacific in terms of cities served. No one is saying o
26 Justloveplanes : PanAm getting someone to Asia or Africa even 2 a week in the days of the flying boats was a far, far, far greater feat than DL, CO or whoever daily s
27 FlyDreamliner : It was a very different time. PA and TW were the world's great airlines during pax americana. When the US was half of the world's GDP, these airlines
28 Lambert747 : Add: Qantas BOAC Lufthansa KLM
29 DeltaL1011man : I was talking about per carrier. If we add who has ATI/JV then most of the big 6 will or soon will be "global carrier" (DL,CO,UA,AA,NW) Very few peop
30 KevinDCA : AA/BA/IB ought to be letting out a sigh of relief, assuming this decision helps them on ATI and the Heathrow problem...
31 DeltaL1011man : Shouldn't matter because DL/NW already had TATL ATI.
32 UN_B732 : I just can't compare Delta to Pan Am.. I can't. Pan Am had all sorts of operations that didn't originate or terminate in the US. As far as I know, eve
33 GeorgeJetson : It's interesting that many years ago, DELTA merged with NORTHEAST, and soon, they will probably be merging with NORTHWEST.
34 Montereytom : Would both airlines keep their colours,or introduce a new common livery? Maybe that was mentioned already sorry if i missed it
35 MasseyBrown : To me, a "global megacarrier" would have unlimited traffic rights, hubs throughout the world, and participate in all major traffic flows. The three a
36 SLCUT2777 : Some of these were more or less re-fueling stops from earlier days when milk-runs around the globe were the rule with the piston engined equipment av
37 KaiGywer : Then they'll take on SOUTHwest
38 Viscount724 : But PA did serve 6 continents including Australia, and at various times other South Pacific points including New Zealand, Fiji, Tahiti and American S
39 OzarkD9S : Really, wouldn't any member of the three alliances, code-sharing throughout the world, be a "mega-carrier"? The term means nothing if the smallest mem
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