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User currently offlineNetJetAndy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

So here is a video I run across today. What is the heck is the issue? It certainly doesnt appear to be anything mechanical or ATC related.

Douglas DC-8 Almost Crashes During Landing


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7197 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8611 times:
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Heavy crosswind?  airplane 

User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8611 times:



Quoting NetJetAndy (Thread starter):
What is the heck is the issue?

I think this video or another version said there was 40KT+ crosswinds and I guess it diverted and later came back to ONT when the wind died down.


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

That is some NASTY crosswind.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

This is called: Landing in ONT during Santa Ana wind events. It happens 5-6 times per year, usually in the mid spring and fall, and is generally (but not always) associated with a strong low centered over SLC, and the wind heating up adiabatically and increasing velocity as it flows down to the coast.

By the way: this video was taken sometime in the early 90's.



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User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I saw the title, and knew exactly what video awaited me. It is as old as time, but still a good catch.

BTW: Your profile says you're a pilot, presumably for NetJets. You should be able to recognize this as a pretty damn strong gust of wind.  Wink

[Edited 2008-08-06 15:57:34]

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

You're a pilot and you didn't understand the issue?  worried 


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8454 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 1):
Heavy crosswind?



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 2):
I think this video or another version said there was 40KT+ crosswinds and I guess it diverted and later came back to ONT when the wind died down.

Exactly what it is. At about 14 seconds into the video, you can see a piece of FOD fly by the camera view. It was blowing strong that day. You can also see the dust and how the exhaust from the engine is blowing from the wind.



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User currently offlineNetJetAndy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

It does appear to be very nasty cross winds at first glance. The approach seemed very good though which is why I asked. The mountains should have been the giveaway.

I fly into ONT and SJC all the time but never experieced anything quite like that. My little Hawker would have a fit! LOL

[Edited 2008-08-06 16:22:22]

User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Gotta love Santa Ana winds, video is older than dirt.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

This video was from Colorado Springs. Yes it was a bad crosswind.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 8346 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
This video was from Colorado Springs.

It's ONT. Plus, OAS never had a station outside of CA, NV, AZ, and TX.



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User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 6):
You're a pilot and you didn't understand the issue?
My thoughts exactly! Or, maybe a wanna be pilot for NetJet and his HS-25 is a toy airplane.
Sorry, lost my composure here!  Smile

[Edited 2008-08-06 18:51:28]


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 8088 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):
It's ONT. Plus, OAS never had a station outside of CA, NV, AZ, and TX.

Well UPS with a DC-8 a while ago, around the time of the UA crash had a video that looked almost the same as this one.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months ago) and read 7950 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
This video was from Colorado Springs.

See that asphalt taxiway in the foreground during the first few seconds of the video? Nothing like that at the thresholds of the COS runways-- look at the online aerials.

And those peaks in the distance during the last few seconds-- the left one could be Keller Peak and the snowy one could be San Gorgonio Mtn. It will be hard to find such peaks NNW of COS.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months ago) and read 7927 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
This video was from Colorado Springs

I didn't say ONT just for fun  Wink

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User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Also during the climbout, didn't this bird experience a flame out or a compressor stall?


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7717 times:

Apart from the heavy cross winds, the video made me wonder if the Dc 8 always land with the nose down like this ?
The pilots pulled up the nose very late, too late for my taste.......



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User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

That video was taken in the mid 90's at ONT. It was durring a severe Santa Ana wind day, I believe the gust was clocked at close to 100mph. The plane diverted to LAX and returned later that day to ONT. I remember it made the local news that day.

[Edited 2008-08-07 06:21:45]


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User currently offlineLuniew From Poland, joined Feb 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5728 times:



Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 16):
Also during the climbout, didn't this bird experience a flame out or a compressor stall?

Thats normal for first generation CFM56's to leave some smoke when power is applied.


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

I bet they where cleaning out their shorts after they landed..... I know I would be.

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User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2819 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

wow amazing how light it looks at the end the way it just kinda floats sideways!  eyepopping 


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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

Quoting NetJetAndy (Thread starter):
What is the heck is the issue?



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
By the way: this video was taken sometime in the early 90's.



Quoting Jpax (Reply 5):
saw the title, and knew exactly what video awaited me. It is as old as time,

As with all of the above, it is really a quite famous and aged video amongst online aviation fans, i would guess most a.netters has seen this so many times and at least a couple of years back. It is listed under cross wind landings so that has always answered the issue question and its famed just as much for being a DC-8

What bemuses me is the member who's posted this claims to be a pilot, maybe as i and a couple of other members have mentioned this, NetJetAndy, maybe you can now explain to us all!!

[Edited 2008-08-07 12:50:16]


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User currently offlineTb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5109 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Apart from the heavy cross winds, the video made me wonder if the Dc 8 always land with the nose down like this ?
The pilots pulled up the nose very late, too late for my taste.......

DC-8's don't have any leading edge devices(like slats, DLE's or any kind of Kruger flap) they land a little nose down because of the aerodynamics. You'll also notice the DC-9-10 series also land nose down because of the same reason along with CRJ's, Learjets and even on a lot of the older planes like DC-6's.



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User currently offlineSFOnative From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting NEMA (Reply 22):
As with all of the above, it is really a quite famous and aged video amongst online aviation fans, i would guess most a.netters has seen this so many times and at least a couple of years back. It is listed under cross wind landings so that has always answered the issue question and its famed just as much for being a DC-8



Quoting NEMA (Reply 22):
What bemuses me is the member who's posted this claims to be a pilot

What bemuses me is the irony in your own comment.

You seemingly scold another user for posting a redundant topic with a redundant response in and of itself!  Wink


25 Flighty : Wasn't there a contact of engine cowling against dirt in this video? It looks like the inboard starboard motor got a good whack against the ground. Lo
26 Aerdingus : Interesting, never knew that.
27 Viscount724 : However the DC-8 has unusual slots in the leading edge inboard of each engine which could be considered a type of leading edge device. They operate i
28 Timz : Everyone knows the slots are one difference between the DC-8-11 and DC-8-12, but I always assumed they had long since been dropped. Is there a pic fro
29 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Every DC-8 I ever flew on had the slots. I clearly recall seeing them when sitting near the front of the wing. I can't find any A.Net photos showing
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