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User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

I was just looking at qantas seatplans, and noticed the new domestic config 332s have 6 abreast in J.
http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying/inTheAir/ourAircraft/seatMap332
Previously the domestic config 330s had 7 abreat in J with the millennium seats. Do the new aircraft have a new J class seat or something?

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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4638 times:

Qantas 333s are configured with lie-flat J-class seats:

30 Lie-flat Skybeds on J: p:60.0" w:21.5"
267 seats on Y: p:31.0" w:17.2"



100 146 319/20/21 332 722 732/3/4/5/G/W/8/H/9 742/3/4 752/3 762/3 772/W BE2 BET E75 CNJ CR2 D10 F27 F50 ER4 LRJ M11 M80
User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4601 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 1):
Qantas 333s are configured with lie-flat J-class seats:

The question was referring to the domestic configured 332s, of which Qantas will soon have two.

The domestic 332s have the BE Aerospace Millenium seats in J. This is same seat type as the previous 332s, which are now at Jetstar. Whether or not the seats are wider at six abreast I do not know. 6AB and 6JK have a galley unit and coat cupboard between them I am the aisle space between them was already tight with the narrower seven abreast seats.


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Yes QF have simply removed the 'centre' seat in J/C class after their customers had complained vigorously previously!

There are new domestic Business and Economy seats planned for the whole fleet and will be introduced first on the next batch of B737-800s to arrive! All the B767 and A330's will be fitted with inflight connectivity over the next few years for email and sms!

BZF



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Anybody know if these A330-200s have PTVs in economy class?

Cheers.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

http://www.icns.com.au/qflyer/QF330200.png

Source - © QFlyer

Singapore 777, as you can see, the domestic-configured A330-200s (34J/265Y) do not feature PTVs. There is an overhead IFE offering which is what is available on other Qantas domestic aircraft.

Conversely, the Skybed-equipped A330-200s (International A330-200s 36J/199Y) feature PTVs equipped with Qantas' RC AVOD system.

Cheers


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

I've heard that the new fleet of B737-800's will come with AVOD-PTV in both classes! Also as the B787's arrive, the A330's will be phased into domestic service and will retain the current AVOD offering for domestic flights. The old B763's will be retired starting in 18months!

I understand that the existing B737-800 fleet will not be retro fitted with AVOD.
This is great news for those who prefer the premium offering that comes with Qantas! It really gives you more reasons NOT to fly with Virgin Blue!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin  duck   duck 

BZF



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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3682 times:



Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 6):
I've heard that the new fleet of B737-800's will come with AVOD-PTV in both classes

Most likely they will be placed on flights longer than 2 hours eg to Perth and trans tasman services and other international services.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3447 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 5):
Singapore 777, as you can see, the domestic-configured A330-200s (34J/265Y) do not feature PTVs. There is an overhead IFE offering which is what is available on other Qantas domestic aircraft.

QF gets brand new aircraft and makes a silly mistake like this! 4hour flights to PER REALLY should have seatback IFE in all seats.... just like the outgoing 743s had. Whether or not QF puts in AVOD in its domestic IFE doesn't matter too much but would be preferred by the customers for sure. I think customers will vote with their feet on this one...



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User currently offlineJokestar From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

My Dad was on QF575 last week and had an aircraft change from an A333 to a 332 and was disgusted by the J seating on the plane. I didn't realise it was any different to the rest of the fleet, how long will it be before the rest of the domestic fleet has the new seats?

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting Jokestar (Reply 9):
I didn't realise it was any different to the rest of the fleet, how long will it be before the rest of the domestic fleet has the new seats?

The J seating on the 332 is the sames what is found on other domestic aircraft - 767 & 738's.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
I think customers will vote with their feet on this one...

To Virgin Blue who doesn't offer it? Or to Tiger who only flys to Perth from MEL? The reality is that we have been spolied having the 743's to Perth with the seatback video's.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3073 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 11):
To Virgin Blue who doesn't offer it?

Virgin offer Foxtel for a few dollars, sure you pay for it but it's there.

Qantas heavily advertised the fact that pax flying PER-SYD "Fly to Sydney/Melbourne via Hollywood"

Hence why every single 743 flight i've ever been on out of Perth has been loaded to the rafters because people knew about those flights. Will be interesting to see when 744's get put on the route, especially with more and more fly in fly out workers who live on the eastern states and work in WA flying. They are going to need to do something capacity wise in a year or so again.



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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2912 times:



Quoting Jokestar (Reply 9):
disgusted by the J seating on the plane

Disgusted? Better get to the media with that one! I can see the headlines now.

Man Pays for Domestic J and Gets Domestic J seat - Shock

It is a domestic route and the domestic product was provided. I think customers value getting to their destination within 24 hours of the advertised time more important than getting a non-AVOD PTV (most of the time the programming was incorrect or there is no guide or a couple of channels not working) equipped 743 that is AOG more often than not!

That being said, I believe Qantas should either upgrade Domestic J or reintroduce Domestic First on SYD/BNE/MEL-PER, with J more aligned with Premium Economy. The domestic J product on Perth flights could be better (or a higher class should be offered). This is probably the one domestic market where people would pay more for a higher standard.

Do you think aligning Domestic J with W class and creating Domestic F product for SYD-MEL (select aircraft/flights) and SYD/BNE/MEL-PER would work?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 2768 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 12):
Will be interesting to see when 744's get put on the route, especially with more and more fly in fly out workers who live on the eastern states and work in WA flying. They are going to need to do something capacity wise in a year or so again.

I doubt you will see 744's on the route unless it is peak time. What QF need are more frequencies to PER from MEL and SYD to spread the crowds in the Perth terminal. That way they can use existing A330's and 767's and retire any 744's that are replaced by A380's.


User currently offlineQfa763 From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

QF580 PER-SYD yesterday was operated by 744. And was delayed. 743 gone tech? Again....

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2624 times:



Quoting Qfa763 (Reply 15):
QF580 PER-SYD yesterday was operated by 744. And was delayed. 743 gone tech? Again....

Let me correct - or unless the 743's break down in the meantime! LOL


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2589 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 14):

I doubt you will see 744's on the route unless it is peak time. What QF need are more frequencies to PER from MEL and SYD to spread the crowds in the Perth terminal. That way they can use existing A330's and 767's and retire any 744's that are replaced by A380's.

Only problem is Qantas just doesnt have the aircraft to provide those frequency's. Reading an interesting article up here, 12,000 more fly in fly out workers will be needed this year alone, 60-70% of those will come from eastern states!!

So the problem is only going to get worse.



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User currently onlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2480 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17):
So the problem is only going to get worse.

Indeed. Plus in some ways these flights are very much like LAX-JFK for evening departures.
They are true - 'red eye' flights.

So if i was QF, this is what i'd do.
Create a small subfleet to be used for evening departures. The sector that really counts is PER-East coast midnight departures. On these flights, a business class seat that is good enough to sleep in needs to be offered. That means it needs significant recline. It doesn't need to be fully flat, the sort of 55 inch pitched type products used in the late 90s should be good enough. Which is pretty much what the international configured 763s and 743s still have with the dreamtime seat and what TG and SQ are still using on some regional routes. (in fact it may be better then trying to squeeze a lie flat angled seat with too bigger angle in it) Once again, this could just as easily be a 767, as a 330 or 747... but because there is only a small window of time for late flights, and flights departing to early in the evening from perth will arrive on the east coast too early in the morning (4 am arrivals are no good.. they miss the syd curfew and won't be popular in BNE and MEL were it's allowed) that really pushes us towards a single larger aircraft later on at night.

Now to maximise sleeping time, for Business Class passengers, the option of Pre-flight dining should be added to the Qantas club. This of what BA does on flights that leave JFK in the evening. (this also means you can reduce the number of FA's onboard without service suffering) Meaning once pax are in the sky, particularly for the longer Brisbane flight, give them a quick drink service say 15 minutes after takeoff, (to help ppl sleep), dim the cabin immediately and dining on demand for those who wish to stay awake. Then give pax the option of an express breakfast snack before landing or a 'carry off' snack in a bag, so they can maximise sleeping time until the seatbelt sign is turned on for approach.


User currently onlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Just another quick note. What is important on these flights is the recline of the business class seat, not the witdth.

6 abreast like the american carriers use on the 767 should be fine... or 7 abrest on the a330... or even 8 abreast on the 747 PROVIDED that the seats get at least 160 degrees recline(unlike the current milenium seat). These seats don't powered controls etc though AVOD would be great for the journey west.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2312 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17):
Only problem is Qantas just doesnt have the aircraft to provide those frequency's. Reading an interesting article up here, 12,000 more fly in fly out workers will be needed this year alone, 60-70% of those will come from eastern states!!

See I tend to think that the problem is more that places like Port Hedland, Broome and Karratha aren't adequately connected to the Eastern States. The good thing about fly in and fly out is that the workers are there for a fixed period and generally arrive and leave in waves. So a smart airline could provide point to point connectors with 738's directly to the North and bypass the extra hours changing planes in Perth OR provide a better feeder service in the North and provide say a weekly 767 or A330 service into Broome to clear them when the major shift changes are. That way you can continue to use your existing fleet.

The other thing to contemplate is that once the 787's start to arrive in QF mainline all of the A333's can be redeployed to the domestic market. These would be ideal replacements for the 743's and would make up the capacity gap more fuel efficiently than the 744's. Again, though, I come back to the simple fact that PER needs more services not bigger planes at its current terminals because they just can't handle it.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 19):
6 abreast like the american carriers use on the 767 should be fine... or 7 abrest on the a330... or even 8 abreast on the 747 PROVIDED that the seats get at least 160 degrees recline(unlike the current milenium seat). These seats don't powered controls etc though AVOD would be great for the journey west.

Why not convert a couple of the 763's to United PS style service?


User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

I was on QF580 last night. 2.5 hour delay I believe, was quite shocked to board what I thought was a 747 - 300 with skybeds!! I was not a happy man, I changed my seat online from row 23 to 48 for a bulkhead. Turns out premium economy doesnt start to row 37 so I wonder what would have happened if I stuck with 28!!

Anyway, the IFE system that QF have on those aircraft is fantastic, could have spent hours on there - actually I did! The crew actually operated the inbound leg and the outbound leg as I guess they would have been international crew, is this normal to do both legs?


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2303 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 20):
So a smart airline could provide point to point connectors with 738's directly to the North and bypass the extra hours changing planes in Perth OR provide a better feeder service in the North and provide say a weekly 767 or A330 service into Broome to clear them when the major shift changes are. That way you can continue to use your existing fleet.

Karratha - Brisbane is being increased to 2x weekly come 26OCT.

SYD/BNE/MEL-BME in a 767 or A330 - niiiiice  Smile

Cheers


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 2145 times:



Quoting 'Longreach' (Reply 21):
The crew actually operated the inbound leg and the outbound leg as I guess they would have been international crew, is this normal to do both legs?

Yeah normally it is I haven't seen this bid periods pattern book but I believe not to long ago they were all Perth returns from Syd and Mel, thats one of the other reasons that I've herd makes the QF 747s bit more economical at times across Aus is that they are operated by long haul crew whos EBA is designed for long-haul flying thus when they operate shorter hops, Perth to east coast it works out cheaper for QF, that may or not be true the EBAs are far to complicated for me to work out.

I wonder though with all this talk about PTVs how long before delivery does it become imposable or are there to many penalties for an airline to change these things without a delay to delivery? Perhaps QF hadn't made a decision on PTVs for domestic when this batch of A332 and 738 were ordered, and after the decision was made it was to costly to change? Dunno maybe they are holding out as long as possible to save on weight until they are forced to install them.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 22):
Karratha - Brisbane is being increased to 2x weekly come 26OCT.

Yep! Tuesdays and Thursdays

Generally most company's fly in fly out roster starts on a Wednesday so the Tuesday flight is good for guys who have to arrive 1 day early and Thursday is good for those guys who come off night shift and can fly straight home.

So the Tuesday/Thursday thing works well.

I know we would like to see a Sydney/Melbourne flight on Tues/Thurs as well. The seating capacity would be there and guys would use it. Everyone hates Perth Airport with a passion.



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
25 Sydscott : Surely it could work with a bit of joint planning by Mining Company Execs and QF because a more efficient way of getting their workers from the East
26 Zkpilot :
27 Pilotdude09 : But also Qantas is greedy on KTA-PER. Generally it'll cost you atleast $600 return for a 2 hour flight!! Also alot of people including myself have no
28 Sydscott : I'm actually surprised that the mining Co's haven't started to charter larger types of aircraft to fly their workers in direct from the East rather t
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