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User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Aeroflot 5x321
Asiana 10x358; 10x359; 10x351
ACG 23x320
DAE Cap 70x320; 30x359
Gulf Air 15x320; 20x333
Petters Group Worldwide 1x318
Private Customer 1x319
Saudi Arabian 8x333
Synergy Aerospace 10x358
Tunis Air 12x320; 3x332; 3x358

Impressive month. Now of the big orders/LOI/MOU we still miss EK, EY, GM, KD Avia, Kingfisher and the missing 330/350 order from China from 2007.


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User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

I missed 5 cancellations for 310s from Iraqi Airways...finally one thing less people here can get excited about.


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7018 times:
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Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):

63 more A350's - 422 in total (I think)
31 more A330's - 1 006 in total !!!  champagne . Not a peep out of the Airbus website!!!

229 more orders in total making 754 in the 7 months..... sounds like 850 this year is doable  scratchchin 

34 A32X delivered....... Phew
Only 6 A330's.... I make the backlog now 450 frames....  Wow!

Rgds


User currently onlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 846 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

The A350-900 is now ahead of the 787-9 in terms of orders (221 vs. 208). The A350-800 follows closely behind (181 orders).

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
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Quoting Scipio (Reply 3):
The A350-800 follows closely behind (181 orders).

What? That fuel guzzling, unfashionable A350-800?  stirthepot 
What will Dickie boy say?  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30612 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6839 times:
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Quoting Scipio (Reply 3):
The A350-900 is now ahead of the 787-9 in terms of orders (221 vs. 208). The A350-800 follows closely behind (181 orders).

The 787-8 still outsells the entire A350 line, though.  Wink

Considering all the doom and gloom some analysts are forecasting, both Boeing and Airbus must be pleased how their current and future lines are selling.  thumbsup 


User currently onlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 846 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6807 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
The 787-8 still outsells the entire A350 line, though.

Yes, but it is striking how the 787's remarkable success has thus far largely been a one-model success story.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12409 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Is it my imagination, or did TG order A321s? I'm sure I read about this somewhere, but can't remember if it was firmed up?

User currently offlineSpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Nice to see such a Highly regarded airline like Asiana order the A350.  champagne 

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6677 times:
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Somewhat surprising the EY order didn't make the books this month. It was reported as a firm order at Farnborough.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
63 more A350's

Did I miss something? I made it 73 - DAE x 30, Asiana x 30, Synergy x 10 & Tunis x 3.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3476 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6631 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
Only 6 A330's.... I make the backlog now 450 frames....

Actually only 5 A330's (1 A332 and 4 A333). The addtitional airplane was an A343.

Will August be the month for the Kingfisher A345's?

A330/A340 deliveries stand at 46 for the year or 6.6 per month.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6580 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
31 more A330's - 1 006 in total !!! champagne . Not a peep out of the Airbus website!!!

Fascinating! When the A350 first got introduced, people were wondering if the A330 would ever reach the 1000 orders mark. Some went as far as saying the A330 backlog would dry out well before Airbus can start producing the A350 (theoretically, they might still get what they wished for, but it seems more and more unlikely). Others, including aviation analyst, said Airbus might end up with a marginal share of the widebody market. Looking back at these dumb predictions, I've got to laufia!  cheerful 



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6531 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Is it my imagination, or did TG order A321s? I'm sure I read about this somewhere, but can't remember if it was firmed up?

TG's board has accepted the A321 purchase, but it still has to be approved by the parlament.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6415 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
I've got to laufia!

 rotfl 

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
Did I miss something? I made it 73 - DAE x 30, Asiana x 30, Synergy x 10 & Tunis x 3.

My bad

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 10):
Actually only 5 A330's

My bad again.
So a 451 frame backlog then...  Smile
Of course, with all the holidays.......  Wink

At this year's rate so far, that's a 6 1/2 year backlog......  scratchchin 

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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6388 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 13):
So a 451 frame backlog then...

Would there be a quick and painless way to figure out engine manufacturers' market share for this backlog?

If it is a hassle, by all means don't bother.

 Smile


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
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Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 14):
Would there be a quick and painless way to figure out engine manufacturers' market share for this backlog?

Yeah. Ask PM  biggrin 

Rgds


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6309 times:



Quoting Scipio (Reply 3):
The A350-900 is now ahead of the 787-9 in terms of orders

But you aren't comparing comparable models. The 789 competes more directly with the A358.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 14):
Would there be a quick and painless way to figure out engine manufacturers' market share for this backlog?



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
Yeah. Ask PM

LOL! I should have seen that coming!

I'm certain my figures are 'out' by a handful (Airbus flatly refuse to send me an e-mail every time an A330 makes its first flight - damned inconvenient) but these numbers will give you the big picture.

BACKLOG PW GE RR
ordered 206 210 426
delivered 155 174 235
remaining 51 36 191

These numbers don't include orders placed by lessors but not yet assigned to an operator. Nor - of course - do they include orders where an engine choice has not yet been announced. These include 30 for EK (a current operator of Trent 700s but...), 20 for Air China (surely another RR order?), 20 for Gulf (another current Trent operator...), 8 for Saudi Arabian (who knows, but the Airbus PR image shows RR) and a dozen or so smaller orders. (Air One announced this week that they've chosen GE for their 12.)

In other words, there are another 90+ orders waiting to announce an engine and RR must be the favourite for most.

A few significant new A330 operators (or operators with 'new' engines) will start to receive their first planes this year or early in 2009. They include...

Avianca (RR) MSN 948
Air Aisia X (RR) MSN 952
Aeroflot (RR) MSN 963
Singapore Airlines (RR) MSN 978
Thai (RR) MSN 990
Finnair (GE) MSN 994
Afriqiyah (GE) MSN 999
Swiss (RR) MSN 1000

And A330s delivered so far...?

PW = 155 (27%)
GE = 174 (31%)
RR = 235 (42%)  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30612 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6295 times:
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Quoting Scipio (Reply 6):
Yes, but it is striking how the 787's remarkable success has thus far largely been a one-model success story.

The 787-8 is in the current sweet-spot of the market right now and it is also the first model available (by about three years). It stands to reason it would be the most popular model to date. The 787-9 will certainly come into her own in time.

And the A340-300 took almost all the A340 model's initial orders, as the A340-200 only sold a few dozen as it's market appeal was effectively non-existent once Airbus announced the A330-200.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6289 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
Yeah. Ask PM

No but really, that's the cheat mode option...  biggrin 

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
LOL! I should have seen that coming!

Indeed!!  Wink

In short, thank you very much, mate, this is much appreciated. I also strongly suggest PW and GE write "Dear passengers and crew, this A330 is powered by PW/GE purely because RR kindly allowed us to. Please be advised that this aircraft thus may not provide as nice a flying experience as one powered by the Masters from Crewe.".  Smile


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6203 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Afriqiyah (GE) MSN 999

Maybe its just me, but I find it rather apt (and amusing), that the first delivery to this airline is that particular MSNBig grin



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6191 times:
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Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 18):
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
Yeah. Ask PM

No but really, that's the cheat mode option...

Hey that's me. I'm a "results" guy....  bouncy 

More seriously, many thanks for the pick-up, PM. Great info.

You must have spent "hours" researching it..  stirthepot   Smile

Rgds


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6143 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 20):
You must have spent "hours" researching it..

Well, it's more fun than what I'm being paid to do!  Wink


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6126 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
31 more A330's - 1 006 in total !!! . Not a peep out of the Airbus website!!!

And it probably was signed at Farnborough as well... So why didn't they throw a big champagne party to celebrate??? Or perhaps SV is the airline that ordered nr. 1000???  Big grin



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6071 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 22):

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 2):
31 more A330's - 1 006 in total !!! . Not a peep out of the Airbus website!!!

And it probably was signed at Farnborough as well... So why didn't they throw a big champagne party to celebrate??? Or perhaps SV is the airline that ordered nr. 1000???

That's the 767 overtaken in overall sales by the A330 this year - look out 757 she's coming to get you.

By my calculations, the A330 is now the 3rd best selling wide bodied passenger jet of all time (747 and 767 ahead). I wonder if she'll overtake the 767 before she herself is caught by the 787?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6034 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 23):
That's the 767 overtaken in overall sales by the A330 this year - look out 757 she's coming to get you.

By my calculations, the A330 is now the 3rd best selling wide bodied passenger jet of all time (747 and 767 ahead). I wonder if she'll overtake the 767 before she herself is caught by the 787?

Shouldn't one of these 767s be 777s??


25 Post contains images Moo : I think so Why does everyone keep forgetting the 777?![Edited 2008-08-08 00:26:28]
26 Scouseflyer : Errrmmmm, I'll start again (as I'm an idiot - it's quite early in the morning!): That's the 767 overtaken in overall sales by the A330 this year - lo
27 PM : Steady on. You're on my RU list! But I still don't understand... Either the A330 has overtaken the 767 or it hasn't.
28 Moo : Not yet - 767 has 1,011 sales to date. 6 to go Next month....
29 Scouseflyer : You're quick of the mark, I went back and edited the second post after I reread it as it still didn't make sense. I think that I've fixed it now
30 Scbriml : I think you're a little premature! A330 sales reached 1,006 in July. That puts it in 4th spot in the widebody sales league as at end July (and surpri
31 PM : My money is on the A330. They have almost 50 orders pending which will hit the books later this year. Moreover, so far in 2008 the A330 has outsold t
32 Scouseflyer : I wish I'd never started this, my figures are all dodgy - I thought that the 767 hadn't quite reached 1000 sales!
33 PM : LOL! I believe there's a company called Boeing that runs a website where you can check that kind of thing. (But I doubt if it'll ever catch on...)
34 Rheinwaldner : Very important point! Never forget product cycles and/or fleet cycles. Look out for 20 year old fleets (of aircraft types) and you know what is due t
35 WINGS : It is always great to see such great progress with the sales of the A330 family. I believe that many did not believe that the A330 would continue to s
36 Kappel : IIRC Airbus does not count military orders in their O&D sheet. IMHO they should count, as they are the same plane basically, even though heavily modi
37 Moo : I was proven wrong on that a while back - Airbus do indeed include the MRTT sales in their monthly spreadsheet, but the older ones have been moved to
38 Scouseflyer : Something else that is mentioned on Airbus's update page is that they've now passed 9000 orders for all planes - I wonder when the 10 000th order will
39 Scbriml : Yes. While the RAF order is still clear on the Orders tab, on the Worldwide tab, they are "hidden" in the Airbus Executive & Private Jets customer ro
40 Post contains links Kappel : Wow, thanks guys, guess I have been proven wrong on that as well. Anyway, I think it should count in their O&D overview. Boeing does it as well and r
41 CHRISBA777ER : To clear up any misunderstanding - I was left rather bemused as to what happened to not one, but several major orders I was assuming would be announce
42 Moo : They may be firm, but the deposits may not have hit Airbuses bank account yet.
43 Moo : You don't expect EK to firm their A350s this year?
44 CHRISBA777ER : Are they not already? I thought they were?
45 AustrianZRH : 70 of them are. But they LoI'ed another 30 at Farnborough, as you certainly know .
46 CHRISBA777ER : My apologies - I thought they were firm.
47 Scouseflyer : They were announced after Farnborough at the delivery of the first A380 for EK so I think that at the very best they'll be firmed in Aug but I wouldn
48 LH506 : Do you have idea when we can expect TKs, LHs and AF-KLs w/b orders?
49 CHRISBA777ER : For AF/KL and LH - Not this year. I would think June 09 at the earliest. TK may be a little quicker than that, but I've not heard anything at all on
50 BrightCedars : Guys, is this figure of 1,000+ just for the A330-200 and A330-300 together? Or does it include the A340 variants (-200, -300, -500 & -600)? If not, it
51 Moo : Yes, just the A330 alone.
52 Astuteman : Yep. Orders including A340's of all types is 1 392 - only 1 006 of these are A330's... Rgds
53 CHRISBA777ER : Aye, our beloved A340, 'tis a rare thing by comparison.
54 Baroque : You missed a bit, what about the overly large winged and therefore overly heavy A350-800? Too. What is it about today you guys are so sharp? First th
55 Kappel : Aeroflot sure likes the a321. How many do they have now? (in service and on order?)
56 Scbriml : They currently have 10, with 10 more to come.
57 Stitch : I'm sure the 767 will be surpassed by the A330, even if Boeing should win the KC-X re-bid, but I tend to think the 777 might just hold her own. I stil
58 Astuteman : Reckon I'll agree with this.. Rgds
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