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Alaska Airlines SEA Rampers WIN!  
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11334 times:

Rewind the clock back, and remember the fine rampers that were locked out and replaced by Menzies in Seattle. Today, the first step of I am sure many steps has taken place. I hope and pray that Alaska will bring them back. While most have moved on, perhaps this could bring back a dedicated ramp to SEA. This is a huge win for the IAM, and certainly a huge win for those that lost their jobs.  box  I have never given up hope on this! It will be a blessing to see Menzies hit the curb!  highfive   stirthepot 




http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080807/aqth088.html?.v=55

[Edited 2008-08-07 13:13:32]


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

http://www.iam143.org/asalockoutarb.htm


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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

Fantastic news to say the least!

It'll be interesting to see how the Eskimo deals with DL143 as far as a remedy goes...



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10959 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 2):
Fantastic news to say the least!

It'll be interesting to see how the Eskimo deals with DL143 as far as a remedy goes...

It will indeed be very interesting. I think it is only right for AS to bring back the integrity of the ramp in SEA, and do what is right. Herman Wacker (what a name by the way), said he will try to negotiate with the union, but mentioned that they may fight the ruling. Whatever the case, they obviously violated the union contract, and could be faced with a major lawsuit settlement. Do the right thing AS, and bring them back. Menzies has done enough damage to the reputation of this airline, and lost enough money because of them.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10903 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3):
It will indeed be very interesting. I think it is only right for AS to bring back the integrity of the ramp in SEA, and do what is right.

No question. However, AS has a pretty good track record of *not* doing what's "right" as of late..

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Herman Wacker (what a name by the way),

Wow, that *is* unfortunate.

Must... resist... urge... to... use... double... entendres...

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said he will try to negotiate with the union, but mentioned that they may fight the ruling.

See above comment about the Eskimo's recent track record.

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Whatever the case, they obviously violated the union contract, and could be faced with a major lawsuit settlement. Do the right thing AS, and bring them back. Menzies has done enough damage to the reputation of this airline, and lost enough money because of them.

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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10852 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
Wow, that *is* unfortunate.

Must... resist... urge... to... use... double... entendres...

ROFL!!! I about fell out of my chair when I saw his name! I am sure the poor man has been tortured for years over his name! I would so change my name in a hear beat. I am sure he has a good sense of humor, at least I hope.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
See above comment about the Eskimo's recent track record.

Oh I know. At least 143 has not given up the fight though.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
No question. However, AS has a pretty good track record of *not* doing what's "right" as of late..

Oh yes, it has been a very poor track record. Lets sure hope that it can change. I understand the difficulties of the industry, but AS should be leading the way for success. I have not flown AS since, but would gladly fly on them if they brought back their SEA ramp. I will do the right thing.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10852 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
Wow, that *is* unfortunate.

Must... resist... urge... to... use... double... entendres...

ROFL!!! I about fell out of my chair when I saw his name! I am sure the poor man has been tortured for years over his name! I would so change my name in a hear beat. I am sure he has a good sense of humor, at least I hope.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
See above comment about the Eskimo's recent track record.

Oh I know. At least 143 has not given up the fight though.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
No question. However, AS has a pretty good track record of *not* doing what's "right" as of late..

Oh yes, it has been a very poor track record. Lets sure hope that it can change. I understand the difficulties of the industry, but AS should be leading the way for success. I have not flown AS since, but would gladly fly on them if they brought back their SEA ramp. I will do the right thing.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10821 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
Oh yes, it has been a very poor track record. Lets sure hope that it can change. I understand the difficulties of the industry, but AS should be leading the way for success. I have not flown AS since, but would gladly fly on them if they brought back their SEA ramp. I will do the right thing.



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
No question. However, AS has a pretty good track record of *not* doing what's "right" as of late..

so F9Animal, you will pay money for water and all other beverages, pay for pillows and blankets, pay for ONE checked bag, pay a web booking fee, pay for certian seating, but you wont fly for an airline that outsourced? Come to think of if what airline hasnt outsourced in some way or form since 9/11?

I dont know what people are talking about when they say that Alaska's track record isnt good as of late, WTF have they done recently? retired MD-80's, announced like 15 new routes, cut a few others, I guess I'm missing something?!?!


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

Alaska made the right decision at the time and I feel still has made the right decision. What integrity was there with the Alaska Ramp? They were awful. And in my opinion not any better, maybe worse then Menzies is now. But of course you didn't hear anything bad in the press cause they were AS ramp. But ramp accidents happen, incident unreported, A/C sitting +10 minutes for marshalling and awful baggage loading was a regualer with Alaska rampers as well.

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 7):

When it comes to anti AS banter, F9Animal leads the pack! The day you hear a good thing about AS from him, the sun will rise from the West.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineBoeing6600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10708 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
When it comes to anti AS banter, F9Animal leads the pack! The day you hear a good thing about AS from him, the sun will rise from the West.

ASSFO

Couldnt agree with you more!

The case with the rampers is not really over Alaska still has the right to appeal. Alaska just has to prove that by outsourcing they saved money.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 6):
Lets sure hope that it can change. I understand the difficulties of the industry, but AS should be leading the way for success.

At least Alaska is expanding destinations! If you have not noticed Alaska is doing fairly well compared to the rest of the industry. DOT complaints are down, on-time performance has been in the top 5, and customer satisfaction is up. At least as of now Alaska does not have to resort to dip financing unlike some...


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10678 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
When it comes to anti AS banter, F9Animal leads the pack! The day you hear a good thing about AS from him, the sun will rise from the West.

Oh well thats a given, deep down he secretly loves AS he just doesnt want anyone to find out!

Quoting Boeing6600 (Reply 9):
At least Alaska is expanding destinations! If you have not noticed Alaska is doing fairly well compared to the rest of the industry. DOT complaints are down, on-time performance has been in the top 5, and customer satisfaction is up. At least as of now Alaska does not have to resort to dip financing unlike some...

plus their stock might be the highest of any airline in the US, at 18.13, WN is at 15.16. and Mesa is at a solid 0.47!


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 7):
I dont know what people are talking about when they say that Alaska's track record isnt good as of late, WTF have they done recently? retired MD-80's, announced like 15 new routes, cut a few others, I guess I'm missing something?!?!

I wondered how long it would be before people came on to defend AS and/or Menzies.   

Respectfully, you are "missing something." Several things actually.

I'll let F9Animal answer for himself, but as for me I was referring to their recent behavior towards their employees, and not things like route & fleet planning.

Quoting Boeing6600 (Reply 9):
The case with the rampers is not really over Alaska still has the right to appeal. Alaska just has to prove that by outsourcing they saved money.

Actually, that was the very language the arbitrator ruled on, was it not?

[Edited 2008-08-07 16:41:00]


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User currently offlineBoeing6600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10653 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 11):
I was referring to their recent behavior towards their employees, and not things like route & fleet planning.

What employees are you talking about? The one's that got let go years ago? Or the one's that keep receiving 200 dollar employee payouts for doing such a good job! Not to mention all the positive space passes they are given almost every year for doing... yet again another good job!


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting Boeing6600 (Reply 12):
What employees are you talking about?

Both the ones currently working and the ones that have been locked out....

Perhaps I wasn't clear; by "recent" I meant the last 3-5 years.

[Edited 2008-08-07 16:50:53]


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5576 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10608 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3):
Do the right thing AS, and bring them back. Menzies has done enough damage to the reputation of this airline, and lost enough money because of them.

Not to rehash it, but does the general public even know or care about this anymore? Is it really making any sort of negative impact on AS?

I don't care one way or the other, and if AS is on the hook for doing something they shouldn't have, then they should be held accountable. But straw man arguments get very tiring.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):
Must... resist... urge... to... use... double... entendres...

I think that should be someone's sig.  Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineBoeing6600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10594 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 13):
Both the ones currently working and the ones that have been locked out....

Seems to me the ones that currently work there, for the most part like there jobs... Other than maybe a few in the pilot group, however, there are many pilots that work at Alaska who love their jobs!

Try and find me one airline thought that everyone who works there loves their job...


User currently offlineDcrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10573 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
Alaska made the right decision at the time and I feel still has made the right decision. What integrity was there with the Alaska Ramp? They were awful. And in my opinion not any better, maybe worse then Menzies is now. But of course you didn't hear anything bad in the press cause they were AS ramp. But ramp accidents happen, incident unreported, A/C sitting +10 minutes for marshalling and awful baggage loading was a regualer with Alaska rampers as well.

I worked on the ramp for QX for a while before the AS guys got let go. While I knew a lot of the guys and felt bad for them getting the boot, they were getting paid big bucks not to do much.. at all. Anyone ever see the break and workout room? There were guys that had been there for 20+ years who got paid $20+ per hour and were not worth a damn. I'm not saying that there weren't plenty of hard working people, but they were over-paid. The one thing I think that came with those wages though is that workers did not feel the need to steal things from luggage. This is a complaint of Menzies workers that has been proven true.

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 4):

No question. However, AS has a pretty good track record of *not* doing what's "right" as of late..

Come on buddy. No disrespect, but you have been here a day short of a year and should know that you need to backup your statement. Care to elaborate? Or at least define your view of what's "right"?

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 11):
Respectfully, you are "missing something." Several things actually.

I'll let F9Animal answer for himself, but as for me I was referring to their recent behavior towards their employees, and not things like route & fleet planning.

If he is "missing something" then fill him in! I am also very curious as to what this recent behavior towards their employees is. Care to elaborate again?



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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10550 times:

All AS is going to do is show their balance sheets and how much they saved by switching to Menzies. SEA AS rampers were a pathetic bunch toward the end there. Rather than doing their jobs they constantly spouted union bullshit. I was there. I saw how bad they got.

And yeah, Menzies sucked at first. But any company that comes in overnight will take a while to get their act together. Now AS has 80% on time performance and we keep getting performance payouts. Menzies does a great job in SEA and everywhere else in the lower 48 they work for AS. AS Rampers just never thought the airline would have the balls to cut them and that's what happened. Taking a pay cut was better than losing your job and while everyone else did what they could after 9/11 (even pilots who are notorious for never taking paycuts took a cut) to help the airline get back into profitability, a bunch of stubborn rampers couldn't get it right.

Like I said, once we see the balance sheets, this will be a non-issue. F9animal should worry about his own airline that can't make any right decisions to bring themselves to profitability. AS does what's necessary even if it's a tough decision.

One point I like that no one ever remembers is how AS paid out those rampers plenty more severance money than they were allotted according to the union contract....


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10438 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
When it comes to anti AS banter, F9Animal leads the pack! The day you hear a good thing about AS from him, the sun will rise from the West.

ASSFO

Then let the sun rise right now from the west. I am not anti AS, I just totally disagree with the direction the corporate level guys have taken. I have a total right to disagree with it. You know I have been hell bent on venting frustration over the move to lock out the boys and girls in the first place. I have said many times that I love the employees of AS. They do have some of the best pilots, best CSA's, and some excellent FA's. They have a great new fleet of planes, and I could go on and on. I just disagree with some of the moves the upper levels have made with the airline. The only pats on the back deserved for AS, is the employees working the front lines, that make AS what it is.

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 10):
Oh well thats a given, deep down he secretly loves AS he just doesnt want anyone to find out!

LOL! Are you trying to say I am a AS closet hider? I do love AS, believe it or not. I just want what is best for the front line employees. You do know how I feel about Menzies, I won't argue with you on that one bit.

How are you by the way? Hope your doing good!

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
Not to rehash it, but does the general public even know or care about this anymore? Is it really making any sort of negative impact on AS?

I don't care one way or the other, and if AS is on the hook for doing something they shouldn't have, then they should be held accountable. But straw man arguments get very tiring.

It still gets remembered. I am sure of that. Negative or not, Menzies has really made a name for itself here in the NW.

And you know I fully respect your points of view. Hope your doing good too!

Quoting Boeing6600 (Reply 9):
At least Alaska is expanding destinations! If you have not noticed Alaska is doing fairly well compared to the rest of the industry. DOT complaints are down, on-time performance has been in the top 5, and customer satisfaction is up. At least as of now Alaska does not have to resort to dip financing unlike some...

I know they are expanding, and doing okay. They are not doing great, but heck, who really is right now with these insane prices of jet fuel? If the fuel was lower, they would be raking in profits right now.

Your last sentence disturbs me a bit. If the fuel situation stays the way it is, eventually, AS like many many others will have no choice but to resort to DIP. Lets just hope that it does not ever resort to that for anyone else. I honestly don't want anyone in this industry to go through what F9 is going through. I have been with plenty of airlines that have gone through bankruptcy. Some survived, and I have been with some that failed. It is devestating to the employees that lose jobs, so I just keep praying for those employed in our beloved industry.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10421 times:



Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 7):
so F9Animal, you will pay money for water and all other beverages, pay for pillows and blankets, pay for ONE checked bag, pay a web booking fee, pay for certian seating, but you wont fly for an airline that outsourced? Come to think of if what airline hasnt outsourced in some way or form since 9/11?

Hey Alaska737, I missed this one. Yes, I will pay for extra services. Sadly, if oil stays where it is, I think even AS will have to resort to the above (hope not, but anything is possible in this current enviornment). I just don't trust my baggage with those guys below, so I just won't take the chance.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10360 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 18):
How are you by the way? Hope your doing good!

Yeah Im doing fine, just enjoying summer break, back to Riddle in 2 weeks. Havent heard from you in a while, you doing good?

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 19):
Hey Alaska737, I missed this one. Yes, I will pay for extra services. Sadly, if oil stays where it is, I think even AS will have to resort to the above (hope not, but anything is possible in this current enviornment). I just don't trust my baggage with those guys below, so I just won't take the chance.

haha my bag actually missed its flight to EWR about a week ago and I was thinking to myself damn Menzies! But the CSA gave me my choice of $50 off my next flight or 1000 miles. and my bag was at my hotel before I woke up so it wasnt too bad.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10310 times:



Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 20):
Yeah Im doing fine, just enjoying summer break, back to Riddle in 2 weeks. Havent heard from you in a while, you doing good?

I am doing great. Trying to stay cool in this hot Seattle weather. Your going to Riddle? Taking up flying? That is awesome!!!! Keep up with it, I am sure you will do great.

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 20):
haha my bag actually missed its flight to EWR about a week ago and I was thinking to myself damn Menzies! But the CSA gave me my choice of $50 off my next flight or 1000 miles. and my bag was at my hotel before I woke up so it wasnt too bad.

LOL! You took the 50? 1,000 miles is not a bad deal though!



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10142 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
Not to rehash it, but does the general public even know or care about this anymore? Is it really making any sort of negative impact on AS?

They'll get reminded next time a hole gets punched in the side of a fuselage...

Or if KIRO is having a slow news day.  Big grin

Quoting Dcrawley (Reply 16):
I worked on the ramp for QX for a while before the AS guys got let go. While I knew a lot of the guys and felt bad for them getting the boot, they were getting paid big bucks not to do much.. at all. Anyone ever see the break and workout room? There were guys that had been there for 20+ years who got paid $20+ per hour and were not worth a damn. I'm not saying that there weren't plenty of hard working people, but they were over-paid. The one thing I think that came with those wages though is that workers did not feel the need to steal things from luggage. This is a complaint of Menzies workers that has been proven true.

Let me get this straight... You 'felt bad" for people that you thought were overpaid, and not worth a damn? How's that work? Who are you to determine what the definition of "overpaid" is?

I don't have to tell you that's how hubs are; a flurry of activity one minute, not much happening the next.

This seems to come up on every board & about every carrier...Who makes the work schedules? Staffing? Who is in charge of the efficiency of the operation? Routing of A/C? Banking vs rolling of hubs?

Management, of course.

Yet everyone is quick to blame the ramp (or CSA's) for this.

By the way, the CSA's top out at over $20+; are they overpaid as well?

Quoting Dcrawley (Reply 16):
Come on buddy. No disrespect, but you have been here a day short of a year and should know that you need to backup your statement. Care to elaborate? Or at least define your view of what's "right"?

Sure. Here's a couple off the top of my head.

+Aribtrary suspensions/terminations of Operations agents (guilty until proven innocent)

+Management doing RSSA and COPS work

+The program-I'm sorry; I don't know the name-that requires CSA's to clock in (my term) at each flight they work. For example, a CSA in PDX might work the ticket counter, then go to B4 to work a turn, then onto B2, and so on.. At each step of the way, they have to clock in/out. This is all monitored and recorded. It's quite Orwellian. This may have been discontinued by now; I certainly hope so.

+The SEA lockout

+Failure on the company's part to abide by the mutually agreed upon tenets of the Cooperative Managent Assist Program

Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 17):
And yeah, Menzies sucked at first. But any company that comes in overnight will take a while to get their act together.

Well, Menzies has been in PDX for some time as well, and they're still terrible.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
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NWAESC

Thank you.

By the way, that clock in system might be speading with computer assignment systems coming online. Check out the "Realtime" system at NW in the hubs for ESEs. Of course they don"t have facilities at each gate YET for below wing work but I think it's coming.



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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9914 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 22):
Well, Menzies has been in PDX for some time as well, and they're still terrible.

Just as much as any regular airline rampers. Just because you are a contract ramp doesn't mean you automatically perform worse. DGS has some of the best operations for the ramp in certain AS stations. And then you get union ramp guys that spend more time figuring out excuses to not do their simple jobs than actually doing them. Goes both ways.


25 F9Animal : Simple jobs? Have you ever worked the ramp before? And I am not talking about CRJ's and prop jobs either. If you are a ramp manager, then you know it
26 PlanesNTrains : Ya, earlier this year we had numerous music CD's stolen out of our luggage en route. Of course, it wasn't AS and it wasn't Menzies. But I digress. Wh
27 F9Animal : Nothing steams me more than theft! We work too hard for anything we have. To have some jerk go into our personal belongings, and take what is not the
28 PlanesNTrains : The irony was that they were all Christian CD's. Stealing Christian CD's....Hmmmmm... -Dave
29 Alaska737 : I strongly agree with that statement. The workers in the state of Alaska are amazing and take pride in their job, especially in the smaller communiti
30 UAL757 : Great news! Slightly OT but...I have a "love connection" with AS! I would/do book them over other airlines. The friendly smiles from all AS employees,
31 Post contains links NWAESC : You missed the point. The poster had seen some-not all- AS rampers who *in his mind* were overpaid. He then decided that *every* AS ramper was overpa
32 Boeing6600 : DGS is not off the topic, they are down working the ramp with Menzies in SEA for Alaska. DGS runs the piers and Menzies does the loading and marshali
33 Mayor : And what is wrong with the company monitoring the employees' time that the company is paying for? It would be different if they were monitoring your
34 Hatbutton : Yes I've worked the ramp for 5 years and that is what led me to my job now. I paid union dues just like everyone else and frankly I got sick and tire
35 F9Animal : No, I am not quick to judgement. I am simply saying that working the ramp is no easy task. I have no idea what airline you worked the ramp for, but I
36 Alaska737 : sounds like Discovery Channel should drop "Deadliest Catch" for the even more dangerous, "Deadliest Ramp". In all seriousness, if you took all that a
37 F9Animal : LMAO! That would be a great idea for a show! Forget the ice road truckers, bring on a show about the ramp!
38 Nwaesc : So Menzies was performing so poorly that a *second* company had to come in to help? You think this is a good thing?! Only on A.Net would that be used
39 F9Animal : There is no doubt that Menzies performance was and still is awful. To give them the slightest credit, they were and still are having a heck of a time
40 Dcrawley : Is it not human compassion to feel bad for someone - even though I thought several were overpaid and were not worth a damn - who lost their job? I kn
41 PlanesNTrains : I don't understand why you should even feel you'd have to explain yourself. You were crystal clear. Why the union pitchforks needed to come after you
42 Hatbutton : I worked in ANC and SEA for AS and UA in DEN and I know of all these things you speak of. Saying we worked 10 aircraft per day is a joke. We had one
43 F9Animal : And how many members of management for AS are out there chucking bags? Also, how much in cost savings is Menzies? Obviously not enough, when the arbi
44 EA CO AS : First off, I'll agree to that statement conditionally - AS probably hasn't saved money YET, as the teething pains of the May '05 move were far worse
45 Hatbutton : Well I don't know what shifts you worked but even during fog delays it's not like you were actually chucking bags the whole time. You can only load s
46 F9Animal : I totally missed your response!!! Christian CD's? You have to be kidding me! That is as low as someone can go, and certainly burns me even more. I am
47 HikesWithEyes : The title of this thread is somewhat of a misnomer. This will be appealed, and the company might prevail. Even if they lose, the generous severance pa
48 Alaska737 : That kind of stuff makes me cringe, and its why Im not a fan of unions.
49 Nwaesc : Thanks! I actually had no idea until you brought it up... Time flies when you're having fun, I suppose... We're both free to post (almost) whatever w
50 Hatbutton : I agree to an extent but all the union reps I ever worked with seemed to only care that the union looks good for themselves. I can't speak for all un
51 Tango-Bravo : Mathematically, it would seem to be entirely possible for a ramper to work at least 10 flights in an 8 hour shift. Here's the math, which resembles s
52 DL1011 : I think the only thing Menzies should get credit for is providing short term jobs jobs with low wages and helping perpetuate the downward sprial of t
53 Tango-Bravo : ...not to forgot the financial burden placed on city/county/state/federal agencies who pick up the tab for benefits not included in the Wal Mart-esqu
54 Lono : And they did such a great job in SEA that DL fired them and brought their old ramp back So what will be your plan when the AS ramp workers return to
55 NwAflyer07 : As a recently laid off IAM member, I am very happy to hear this news. Hopefully Alaska brings their own rampers back and gets a dedicated ramp force t
56 Hatbutton : I will have no problem with that. I was one of them. And I'm a supervisor now. I just can't deal with the union banter when it is getting in the way
57 Lono : SEATTLE, Aug. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- An arbitrator has ruled that Alaska Airlines violated its contract with the union that represented ramp service agent
58 DL1011 : Unfortunatley DL hired another contractor and didn't bring the ramp back inhouse.
59 F9Animal : And who did they end up with. I pray it is not Menzies!!!
60 Lono : That is bad news... I know some dormer DL SEA rampers.... Who did they hire??
61 Hatbutton : I believe it is Servisair. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
62 Lono : Bummer.... thanks for the info
63 DL1011 : I don't remember the name of the company. It's not Menzies though.
64 Post contains links NWAESC : (bump) Latest update: Both sides have started talking... From the IAM 143 website: "District 143 Meets with ASA August 22, 2008 The first meeting betw
65 BAW716 : When this happened back in 2003, I was rather shocked that Alaska would take such an action, not only because it was used as a leverage tactic in the
66 EA CO AS : Done and dusted - the ramp operation in SEA is far more efficient now and has greatly improved, and customers have taken notice.
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