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AM and CO Decide Not To Pursue Codeshare  
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Aeromexico has informed the DOT that it will no longer codeshare with CO after Aug 22.

CO will lose its ability to codeshare to Mexico with any carrier that has a relationship with any other alliance.

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4390 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
CO will lose its ability to codeshare to Mexico with any carrier that has a relationship with any other alliance.

Does CO really even need to code share to Mexico don't they already fly to over 30 cities in Mexico?



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

CO: Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Signed,
Skyteam

 flamed 


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

They may be just me, but I don't think it will hurt CO that much, as I believe it serves more destinations in MX than any other carrier.


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User currently offlineBentley55 From Panama, joined Mar 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

CM currently codeshares with AeroMexico, will this also be affected?

User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

CO has never started codeshare with AM. Came close a few times, but It never got off the ground. This must just mean they are never going to pursue it.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4261 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
CO: Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Signed,
Skyteam

And you wonder why people do not like you Deltoids.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Newsflash genius: CO doesn't codeshare with AM!

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

take a deep breath... it's a DOT filing. AM and CO agreed to codeshare at one point even if it never got implemented.

CO still loses the ability to codeshare with another Mexican carrier that is allied with another alliance.

AM's decision does not affect any other codesharing by CO on another carrier. AM's decision to notify the DOT was based on the current exemption which was granted almost a year ago and is set to expire.


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

FYI...The reason we were given that AM never actually launched the codeshare with CO was due to disagreement over CO Express starting service from LAX to several destinations in Mexico a few years ago. Since then it just never became much of a priority for either side.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4029 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
CO still loses the ability to codeshare with another Mexican carrier that is allied with another alliance.

I doubt that will adversely affect CO.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
AM and CO agreed to codeshare at one point even if it never got implemented.

Suggested new thread title: AM decides not to codeshare with CO


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Skyteam members moved to the new T2 in Mexico. I wonder whether CO would stay or not @T2 after leaving Skyteam and even more with the end of this codeshare.

Fyano


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3833 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 1):

Does CO really even need to code share to Mexico don't they already fly to over 30 cities in Mexico?


Really.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Suggested new thread title: AM decides not to codeshare with CO

Agreed, the thread title is very misleading. It suggests there was a codeshare to terminate, when in fact there was not.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

the title of AM's filing with the DOT is "AM will not renew codesharing with CO" (no abbreviations).

"Will not renew" and "terminate" are logically similar phrases.

" Will not renew" will not FIT in the title space provided for a thread.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3796 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
the title of AM's filing with the DOT is "AM will not renew codesharing with CO" (no abbreviations).

"Will not renew" and "terminate" are logically similar phrases.

" Will not renew" will not FIT in the title space provided for a thread.

The correct thread title would read;

"AM and CO decide not to pursue codeshare"



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11974 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

Makes sense.

Continental is heading to Star and leaving SkyTeam behind them.

But of any airline, Continental is the U.S. carrier that needed a Mexican partner the least. They have a more extensive network (in terms of markets served) to Mexico than any other U.S. carrier, and they definitely do not need domestic Mexican feed to reach most major markets within Mexico.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
The correct thread title would read;

"AM and CO decide not to pursue codeshare"

Which would fit quite nicely in the thread title box as well...

In my opinion in order to terminate something you have to have been doing it in the first place.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3725 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):
CO: Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Nice. I'm starting to think these carriers need to go on the Jerry Springer Show.  Smile

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 9):
take a deep breath... it's a DOT filing. AM and CO agreed to codeshare at one point even if it never got implemented.

CO still loses the ability to codeshare with another Mexican carrier that is allied with another alliance.

AM's decision does not affect any other codesharing by CO on another carrier. AM's decision to notify the DOT was based on the current exemption which was granted almost a year ago and is set to expire.

Just another example of how thread titles can be very misleading, even if they technically are somewhat accurate. Oh well...

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Suggested new thread title: AM decides not to codeshare with CO

So are they codesharing or not? If not, then how can they terminate codesharing? It sounds like they are terminating the right to codeshare. Oh well...

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):
In my opinion in order to terminate something you have to have been doing it in the first place.

I guess it would be like a marriage forum where two people had filed for their license to wed, but then went their separate ways instead. Would you say "Couple to get a divorce" or "Couple decide not to wed"? I know what I think. Oh well...

-Dave



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User currently offlineJustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3706 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
the title of AM's filing with the DOT is "AM will not renew codesharing with CO" (no abbreviations).

"Will not renew" and "terminate" are logically similar phrases.

" Will not renew" will not FIT in the title space provided for a thread.

Both are factually incorrect. Code sharing as process must be completed at some point to in fact be terminable. There has never been any codeshare only apporvals to do so. AM's filing is incorrect.

Perhaps the thread could say "AM does not request to renew for DOT approval for AM and CO codeshare."


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3567 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
CO will lose its ability to codeshare to Mexico with any carrier that has a relationship with any other alliance.

Continental serves more destinations in Mexico than Mexicana or AeroMexico. AM has more to lose, not to mention that they become UA's choice for Mexico service.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3563 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
In my opinion in order to terminate something you have to have been doing it in the first place.

How can someone terminate a contract that has yet to be signed?..



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3452 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Quoting United1 (Reply 16):
In my opinion in order to terminate something you have to have been doing it in the first place.

How can someone terminate a contract that has yet to be signed?..

Agreed....they can't. The mods need to change the title of the thread on this one.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3422 times:



Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 18):
AM's filing is incorrect.

wow.... wanna drop them a note and let them know that? better tell the DOT to make sure they double check what comes out of Mexico City for accuracy.

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 18):
"AM does not request to renew for DOT approval for AM and CO codeshare."

won't fit.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
How can someone terminate a contract that has yet to be signed?..

who said they didn't sign a contract? of course they signed a contract or there wouldn't have been a basis for a filing to the DOT a year ago seeking codeshare approval. They obviously decided after the fact not to pursue.

Contracts can be terminated after being signed but before being implemented.


User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3337 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 19):
Continental serves more destinations in Mexico than Mexicana or AeroMexico

Are you sure Elmo?

I'd say:

1- AM+AMConnect serve more destinations in Mexico than CO+ContinentalXJ.
2- MX+ClickMX serve more destinations in Mexico than CO+ContinentalXJ.
3- CO+ContinentalXJ serve more destinations in Mexico from US hubs.
3- CO+ContinentalXJ do N points in Mexico to just IAH and NYC + CO connections.
4- AM+AMConnect & MX-ClickMX do N points in Mexico to N points in the US + Skyteam & AA connections.

Who knows the real numbers?



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3231 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
wow.... wanna drop them a note and let them know that? better tell the DOT to make sure they double check what comes out of Mexico City for accuracy.

Your own elaborations obviously support that the thread title was misleading. But it doesn't matter because...

Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
The mods need to change the title of the thread on this one.

the title has been changed. Oh well.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
25 Lambert747 : Sorry, but this is not a loss to Continental Airlines, it is more of a loss to AeroMexico. Continental Airlines/Express have more trans-border flight
26 EddieDude : I think this is a loss for nobody actually. AM never placed its code on any CO flight, and CO never placed its code on any AM flight. From the moment
27 Xaapb : Many times flying with Continental and Aeromexico and I never found a codeshare flight, not even to Houston or Newark with Continental or JFK with Aer
28 USPIT10L : They never did.
29 XAAPB : that's what I thought thanks
30 MX757 : Don't worry we won't. We already have one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel!
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