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Anonymous 767s At IAD  
User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

A reader of mine sent me this photo and is curious about who these 767s belong to. He emailer says they are often at IAD, but have no markings or registrations.

Rendition planes!

But seriously, does anybody know?

- PS




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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11255 times:

Vision Airways,,,,,, they are all old UA 767-222s and they fly for the CIA from IAD-Budapest(or wherever)-Iraq.

BTW this has been posted a ton over the past 3 months

-edited- I think the registrations are very small since the planes fly into a war zone carrying CIA agents.

[Edited 2008-08-07 18:24:26]

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4864 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11234 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
have no markings or registrations.

none at all? hmm I would have assumed that violates at least one law somewhere. Interesting.

YOWza



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

They're registered to Vision Air. In fact, there's photos of them in the database:


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Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
Rendition planes!

That may not be far from the truth. It definitely explains the very faint registrations.


User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

I was wondering the same thing, both times I went through IAD all 3 were parked there.

User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11172 times:

But where are these "faint" registration marks? I don't see anything.


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11162 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):
Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
Rendition planes!

That may not be far from the truth.

Not just "not far from the truth", it is the truth. They are used for rendition, among other things.

Tugg



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11161 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
But where are these "faint" registration marks? I don't see anything.

Exactly..... you can't see it just like the people that would be shooting at it  Smile


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11141 times:

Oh wait, never mind, now I see the registration. It's *VERY* faint.

Creepy.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11140 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 5):
But where are these "faint" registration marks? I don't see anything.

Yeah, you can see 'em if you display it as 'large'.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11052 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
none at all? hmm I would have assumed that violates at least one law somewhere. Interesting.

I guess so long as they are painted on in a different color to the body behind it...

would sir like the white/beige combination for his jet? maybe a nice white/egg shell combination this time around?


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10928 times:

N767VA and N768VA are the white and sand colored aircraft - the 3rd all white is a new one - not sure of the reg. On the white and sand color aircraft, the registration IS on the aircraft near the tail, its just sand colored on the white fuselage - only if you walk up to it can you see it.

Very nice cabin - lounge chairs and granite tabletops.

They stopped flying to Budapest because the local media was going to speculate that they were CIA interrogation / torture aircraft - they're not - however rather than try to explain it, they stop for fuel somewhere else.

Vision Airlines previously used 737s which I think were less obvious - why not put Southern Air Transport on the side of the 762s?...I'm sure then it wouldn't show up in forums like this!


User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10807 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 6):

Not just "not far from the truth", it is the truth. They are used for rendition, among other things.

Tugg

Pardon my ignorance but what is "rendition?"


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10797 times:

about a week and a half ago there were also a few BA 767's... anyone know what they were there for? it was two or three and they were parked in the same area as those 'anonymous' 767's

User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10785 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 13):
about a week and a half ago there were also a few BA 767's... anyone know what they were there for? it was two or three and they were parked in the same area as those 'anonymous' 767's

Where the CIA 767s park is the remote ramp and everyone can use it. I see them a lot to and think its just to park the plane for the day since it does not go right back out when it comes back in.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10717 times:



Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 12):
Pardon my ignorance but what is "rendition?"

Well its has recently come to mean something different but rendition means to "hand over" persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_(law)
So normally these planes move "persons or interest" (typically "classified" reasons) from one state and country to another and much of the time it is after an extradition request has been executed.

The aircraft also handle transport of CIA personnel and equipment.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Anyone know the range of those 767-222's? Also what year is their new one?

Hunter



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10679 times:



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 11):
Very nice cabin - lounge chairs and granite tabletops

Don't they know granite tops cause cancer?


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10666 times:



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 11):
why not put Southern Air Transport on the side of the 762s?...I'm sure then it wouldn't show up in forums like this!

Id rather have them all silver and with "Air America" on the side. Big grin Or how about Air Asia -CIA) (its flying to Asia anyway)



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User currently offlineAviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

I wonder, is there a seat with built in handcuffs and leg restrains?  duck 

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7448 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10439 times:

Love the faint reg #'s . I'm sure they got some form of a waiver from the FAA to have them so light.


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User currently offlineN770WD From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10314 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 20):
I'm sure they got some form of a waiver from the FAA to have them so light.

I bet the authorization comes from much higher than the local FAA office...


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9808 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 2):
none at all? hmm I would have assumed that violates at least one law somewhere. Interesting.

I would say....in the interest of national security....who cares?



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User currently offlineUPS757Pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9617 times:

Whatever it takes to keep us safe. Heck, I'll even volunteer to fly the planes!

User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8801 times:

BA has a 767 that sits from noon until about 1900, and sometimes on the weekends there are 1 or 2 more there.

Vision keeps pretty quiet about their ops - no problem, whatever keeps us safe!

On Wednesday there was an interesting view around where the Vision 767s were parked - with a Kuwait Airlines 744, Qatar 773, and Saudi Arabian 744 parked near the Vision aircraft...who wants to start a conspiracy theory? Hahaha


25 YOWza : Oh that's right there have been no major events since rendition flights started occurring so they must be working. I hope you realize that I'm being
26 Aviateur : Attitudes like that can be just as dangerous to national security -- and to your rights and liberties as an American -- as any foreign threat. The "a
27 NorthstarBoy : I was just thinking the same thing in re how people are so willing to justify anything the government/CIA does and keeps secret under the guise of "n
28 FlyMeToTheMoon : Does anyone know what those 767s are that have a dark gray upper half and a dark blue lower half separated by a cheat line that looks red-orangish? I
29 Post contains links and images LHR777 : Additionally, from the larger pictures, it's evident that these are pretty old 767-200's - they both have only the small cargo door in hold 1 (forward
30 Alphaomega : Oh get over it - its not like they're going to Guantanamo Bay with prisoners - they're aircraft with 60 large leather lounge chairs and luxury meetin
31 UPS757Pilot : Seriously..the same San Francisco leftist wackos would be the first to whine if we were attacked again. Oh wait, they still think 9-11 was an inside j
32 AndrewUber : Yeah it's a good thing these birds have their registrations barely visible.... I'm sure terrorists check the reg of each aircraft before shooting at i
33 Bok269 : Is there any connection to the Do328 operator based out of Las Vegas?
34 Alphaomega : Yes...Vision Airlines is based in LAS - the Do328 aircraft are not CIA flights though - vacation charters.
35 IFlyATA : The "official" word if you ask anyone who works at Vision Air is that they fly diplomats around for various government agencies, including the Secret
36 Malaysia : It is a pretty cool topic, just wish they still had CIA proprietary airline companies, where revenue services were performed as a front over the secre
37 Bond007 : Yep, just quotes. Here's another to add to your list: "They're just 767s folks, and you have no clue what they are used for ... nobody's rights or li
38 SAAB900 : The B767's are regular visitors to Bratislava,Slovakia(BTS). In-fact Vision Air have based a B737 N34315 at BTS as a back-up airframe, as their B737'
39 Alphaomega : They stopped flying to BTS 2 months ago - unless they recently returned...?
40 Crownvic : The refueling stop between IAD and Kabul/Baghdad does change on occasion for obvious reasons. For those interested, although the 767's are operated by
41 Tugger : They are not commenting on the aircraft or their function, they are commenting on silly posts like this: and the mindset that they represent. These p
42 Jamesontheroad : I think that violating laws on a/c registration is probably pretty low down on the list of laws violated by some rendition activities. The most patri
43 IFlyATA : They are in the process of going Part 121.
44 Bond007 : Well, I was specifically replying to the quotes that were mentioning "liberty", "safety", "fascism" etc. ... all because of some CIA aircraft with fa
45 413X3 : are people kidding when they say whatever keeps us safe... if anything this type of borderline illegal activities make us more of a target, and hated
46 PITrules : Just curious, what activities have these aircraft - or ones like them - participated in that are illegal? Does "borderline illegal" have a legal inte
47 Crownvic : IFlyATA...From what I have heard, they already acquired their Part 121 this year, but it is mostly for the 737-300/400 operation and not the 767's. Th
48 IFlyATA : Crownvic -- yep I'm not quite sure what the status is these days but I know they are or at least were working on going Part 121 and getting the operat
49 413X3 : well when you refuse to follow the Geneva Convention among other things and throw out the rule book, none of them apply to you, so technically you ar
50 Enginebird : Exactly! And I am not an SF lefty, far from it (BOS). Good on you, mate! Welcome to my respected user's list.
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