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Used A330s On The Move  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12999 times:

According to CH-Aviation, a dozen A330s are on the move.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/

The 3 leased MEA A332s are going to Gulf.
All 11 Swiss A332s are off to new homes: 2 to LH, 2 to Vietnam Airlines and 7 to Aeroflot.

Interesting that LH will again have a couple of PW-powered A332s (temporarily, I assume) and that Aeroflot will have mixed fleet of PW-powered A332s (used) and RR-powered A332s (new).

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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12774 times:

I doubt that they will, but I am dreaming of SAS getting some A332. They need to have a bigger fleet to make the intercontinental airline more competitive. And they need to reopen OSL-EWR launch CPH-SFO, OSL-BKK. The A333 and A343 are too large for many of the routes.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
All 11 Swiss A332s are off to new homes

Why are they getting rid of them, and what will replace them?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12758 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 1):

Why are they getting rid of them, and what will replace them?

They are being replaced from next year by 9 A330-300s. Swiss have also built up their A340-300 fleet (with ex-Air Canada and Ausrian planes) and so 11 A332s can be replaced by 9 A333s.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12671 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
The 3 leased MEA A332s are going to Gulf.

Not a concern as ME is replacing them with 4 even newer A332s, one of them already in service!



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12616 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 3):
Not a concern as ME is replacing them with 4 even newer A332s, one of them already in service!

Absolutely - and seven with RR!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12491 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
They are being replaced from next year by 9 A330-300s

Do they come with RR engines?  Silly That would fit nicely in the SAS fleet...  Smile



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12151 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
They are being replaced from next year by 9 A330-300s. Swiss have also built up their A340-300 fleet (with ex-Air Canada and Ausrian planes) and so 11 A332s can be replaced by 9 A333s.

Where are the 9 330-300's coming from? Are these brand new or could these be AC's Airbuses they are intending to get rid of?


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12140 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
Where are the 9 330-300's coming from? Are these brand new or could these be AC's Airbuses they are intending to get rid of?

Yes brand new, part of LH's last order for a333's. That's likely also why these are RR powered.



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User currently offlineYamatthey From Switzerland, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12102 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
Where are the 9 330-300's coming from? Are these brand new or could these be AC's Airbuses they are intending to get rid of?

This is an order for 9 brand new Airbus A330-343X.


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1715 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11998 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
All 11 Swiss A332s are off to new homes

Didn't LX want to keep two A332s in the fleet?



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User currently offlineKogge From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11874 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
All 11 Swiss A332s are off to new homes: 2 to LH, 2 to Vietnam Airlines and 7 to Aeroflot.

I doubt it very very very very very very very much that 7 Swiss A332 will go to Aeroflot...

Also the Lufthansa titles on the first ex Swiss A332, which has already been painted in Star Alliance colours, have been removed. May be the deal is off... Wouldnt be a surprise in the current economic climat and with all these LH pilot strikes going on...

Aer Lingus is returning one A332 to ILFC next spring when they get a factory new airplane.



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11823 times:

Air Canada is keeping the A333 for awhile... 2-3 yrs

User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11768 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
All 11 Swiss A332s are off to new homes: 2 to Vietnam Airlines and 7 to Aeroflot.

I haven't heard of this. LX still considers keeping a number of A332s and possibly lease them out. Maybe they know something we don't?  Confused

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 5):
Do they come with RR engines?



Quoting Kappel (Reply 7):
That's likely also why these are RR powered.

Indeed, all 9 A333s will be RR powered.

Quoting Kogge (Reply 10):
Also the Lufthansa titles on the first ex Swiss A332, which has already been painted in Star Alliance colours, have been removed

 Confused They were still there when i went to school this morning.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11730 times:



Quoting Kogge (Reply 10):
Aer Lingus is returning one A332 to ILFC next spring when they get a factory new airplane

Where did you hear this?


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11543 times:



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 13):
Quoting Kogge (Reply 10):
Aer Lingus is returning one A332 to ILFC next spring when they get a factory new airplane

Where did you hear this

Was announced in the EI AGM a few months ago with exact details announced shortly after that. EI-EWR is going back to ILFC due to an early release clause in that contract apparently (May 09 return). EI-CRK is also due to depart in February next year - anybody have ideas on where that may end up - AirAsiaX?

2 new A333E's arrive into EI next yr, MSN 1025/1046 while 985 has apparently been deferred till 2010.

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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11244 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 1):
I doubt that they will, but I am dreaming of SAS getting some A332. They need to have a bigger fleet to make the intercontinental airline more competitive. And they need to reopen OSL-EWR launch CPH-SFO, OSL-BKK. The A333 and A343 are too large for many of the routes.

Definitely an idea that will benefit OSL and Norway!


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7660 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Definitely an idea that will benefit OSL and Norway!

Well, I mean they have all of that oil money, isn't it how it works, that oil rich countries get lots of intercontinental service for no other particular reason? I am very surprised how little intercontinental service (basically none) that OSL gets.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7581 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
2 to Vietnam Airlines

Which would give them a fleet of 5 A330s - all with PW.

Quoting Kogge (Reply 10):
I doubt it very very very very very very very much that 7 Swiss A332 will go to Aeroflot...

May I ask why? I admit that I was surprised to read it but why do you think it won't happen?

En passant, when the last A332 leaves the LX fleet it will be the last PW-powered plane to have flown with Swissair/Swiss - quite a moment.

Working backwards, A330, MD11, A310, 747, MD80, DC9, DC8... All with PW.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4884 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6810 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 17):
Which would give them a fleet of 5 A330s - all with PW.

aren't VN wet leasing a CI A333 with Ge engines?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6676 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 18):
aren't VN wet leasing a CI A333 with Ge engines?

Not that I'm aware of. If so, I wonder if it's a recent and/or short-term arrangement.

But yes, the China Airlines A330s do have GE. (They shouldn't but they do!  Angry )


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6599 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 9):
May be the deal is off...

I have heard exactly that - allegedly demand is not sufficient enough.


PH



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6547 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
I have heard exactly that - allegedly demand is not sufficient enough.

LH ordered (very quietly, I might say) a further two A330-300s in May (taking their total to 17). I had assumed the two returnee ex-LX A332s were to hold the fort until delivery of the new A333s. Should we assume that order is still going ahead?


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6945 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6513 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 21):
Should we assume that order is still going ahead?

It seems so. The two frames are scheduled for delivery in the third quarter of 2010, so they could also be used to replace older A343s.


PH



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6402 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
The two frames are scheduled for delivery in the third quarter of 2010, so they could also be used to replace older A343s.

Yes, that would make sense. Perhaps we will see further LH orders for theA333 for the same reason.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6391 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 23):
Yes, that would make sense. Perhaps we will see further LH orders for theA333 for the same reason.

Well they are very reluctant to order the 787 or A350 as an A343 replacement......



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25 PSPfan : Weren't some LX frames going to MP? Or was that just a rumor? PSPfan
26 PM : Not a rumour I've heard but if LH no longer want them they'll be up for grabs. And used A330s don't tend to sit on the shelf for long! How interestin
27 Thorben : Very interesting, considering they will soon start to get 10 newly built A332s. This will take their number to 17, even when replacing their 11 763s,
28 Columba : Will be some very good looking A330s though too bad they don't have any A340s or 747s in their fleet as their livery would look very sharp on them...
29 Thorben : They should get themselves some A345 to fly to EZE and SYD.
30 SandroZRH : It seems that LX has quietly increased its long-hal fleet to 25 from the planned 24. The second A332 was scheduled to leave the fleet, but its still f
31 MCOflyer : SandroZRH, It seems that LX is doing very secret things lately. I don't understand why Aeroflot would take both delivery of airframes consisting of bo
32 Trex8 : Its in CIs 2007 annual report as something they are doing for 2008. Other interesting goodies, the 744F they dry lease to Yangtze river express is fo
33 Flying Belgian : Because LH is a very pragmatic airline. They are aware of the increasing 787 delays. They know it'll be the same for the A350 if not worse... And I a
34 Columba : The A333 could replace the A343 on most US East Coast flights but can not replace the A343 completely. Maybe some older A343 will be replaced with A3
35 ZRH : This can not be accurate anymore. First plans were for 15 A 343 and 9 brand new 333, which meant 24 long-haul frames. So all 332 could earliest leave
36 Argonaut : ...Convair 440, DC-6B, DC-4, Convair 240, DC-3...
37 BA : They recently increased the order to 5 (1 of which as you mentioned already delivered).
38 MEA330 : Hi BA! Any links to the MEA order for the 5th A332?
39 Post contains links BA : Here you go: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=ME&al_op=1 http://www.edinavtn.co.uk/assets/files/PDFs/A330.pdf Search for MSN
40 CRJ900 : Are the A332s too small for LX's needs or are they just getting too "old" for LX? I thought the A332 was a great aircraft for them...?
41 SandroZRH : It is a great aircraft, but as you said, too small for LX's needs. Basically all LX A332 destinations can be flown with the A333, while offering more
42 PM : Might the commonality with the LH fleet of RR333s also be an advantage?
43 SandroZRH : I don't see how, since LX's MRO contractor SRT doesnt even have an RR engine shop and LHT doesn't have the capacity to look after LX's fleet. (They'l
44 PM : Airbus still only list the order for 4. I wouldn't read too much into the five MEA MSNs. Airbus are notorious for chopping and changing MSNs.
45 MEA330 : I must agree with PM here. Nothing at MEA or on the Airbus site confirms a 5th A332. The remaining 3 A332-243 will have MSN's 984/995/996. 998 is not
46 LH506 : Two 343s were sold to the German government. I think they leave in 2009/2010. So the two 333s could replace them.
47 LXA340 : Maybe this is even for LX considering LX originaly wanted to have 9 A332's (to be replaced with 9 A333's) in their fleet and 15A343's. However now th
48 BA : Airbus' site was not quick to update MEA's increase of its A320 order from 4 to 6 last year so I wouldn't take it too seriously. MEA did announce a m
49 ZRH : As Sandro correctly said they are too small for LX's need, it is to add that LX want to reintroduce three classes in all long-haul frames.
50 CRJ900 : Does LX regret not taking the A346? I believe Swissair ordered 9 x A346...?
51 SandroZRH : I doubt it. The A346 would be overkill in many aspects.
52 Viasa : Is the deal for the two Iberia A330-300 (former Garuda) still on? Not sure about this. The two planes (PK-GPC and PK-GPD) were phase-out long time ago
53 LXA340 : The A330-223 are too small in a 3 class configuration, however the A340-600 would be a over kill as Sandro said. The A343 and A333's are +- the right
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