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What Will Happen To Cathay Pacific's B747Classics?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

Hihi! This might have been discussed in the past. However, I would like to bring up some new questions on this.

If I can still remember properly, Cathay Pacific has leased their B 747-200s to Virgin Atlantic as well as Air Atlanta. And their B 747-300s to Pakistan International Airlines.

However, after the lease is expired, what will happen to these planes? Will they be scrapped, sold? Or will the lease be renewed? Or will they even rejoin Cathay Pacific?

I, personally hope that they can rejoin Cathay. Especially the B 747-300. They can be used on some of the long haul routes. Since they aren't that old.  Smile

What do you guys think?  Smile

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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

United Airline Wrote:

I, personally hope that they can rejoin Cathay. Especially the B 747-300. They can be used on some of the long haul routes. Since they aren't that old.  



The big differnce is that the 743 does not have the most desired range, and it is a 3 person cockpit. In this day, there is so much technology that makes operating a 3 personed flight deck crew un-economical.

Also, Cathay operates 744s. This plane has better engines, better operating costs, better range, and so on. There is no need to operate the 743.

Sorry


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Yes I understand that the B 743s are expensive to operate..... 3 person cockpit.

I too think that it is unlikely for Cathay to reuse their B 743s. If they really need the capacity of it, they will go for the B 777-300ER, or more B 747-400s.

Any idea on what will happen to Cathay Pacific's B 747 Classics?


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Trash them!

They are old, have old expencive engines, 3 person cockpit, and the 744 and 777 can out fly them!


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

I highly doubt you will ever see the 747-300s back with Cathay. Pilots would have to be trained onto the aircraft again, and flight engineers re-employed. We are short of capacity, but have many airbuses on the way this year. At the moment there is no news about the PIA lease. Cathay is of course hoping the lease coninues.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Some cargo operators might be interested in converting them if the price is right.

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

To further add to that, most of BA's 747-200s will be converted to freighters, meaning that demand for RR powered classics will also increase. This makes CX's old aircraft more attractive as freighter conversions.

User currently offlineRyaneverest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

This topic has been discussed before...

Anyway, I think everybody hoped that their 747-200s and -300s return to the fleet (except CX management), but the chance is trace (reasons stated above).


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

They don't have to trash them. Maybe sell them and have them converted into freighters or renew their lease.

Besides, what are you going to do with B-HON? It is just about 13 years. Too new to be trashed.

 Smile


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

I believe that B-HON, being a late model -300, is actually practically a -400 with a 3 man cockpit and classic engines. Maybe this is the reason that it is still sitting in the desert....because it doesn't really fit anyone's needs.

User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1378 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Cathay will not reuse the 747 classics 742/743, once they come of lease they will be parked at either Marana or some old Airforce Base in San Bernadino. It is already approximately 3 ex Cathay 742'2 there. Most likely they will be leased off or converted to freighters.


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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

To the best of my knowledge, the lease of 2 747-200s to Virgin Atlantic was for 5 years with an option to buy. I believe that Virgin DID exercise the option, and the 2 747-200 now belong to them. Also, I highly doubt that CX will redeploy the 747-200/300s into their fleet. Even though I am sure that everyone hear including myself would LOVE to see that.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Does anybody know where the first CX 747, B HKG, is?

User currently offlineCathay pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

i think it is either stored in a some dessert in america or it has been scraped...not sure which...but should be one or the other.....

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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

B-HKG has been scrapped already. Very sad..........

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

if those inflight engineers are to be re-employed, I am sure they are able to carry out the work.

But anyway........

I have heard rumours about Dragonair planning to start up routes to Australia, and to Taiwan. It would be ideal for Dragonair to buy or to lease Cathay's B 747-300s and start their routes to Australia. That would be nice.  Smile

What do you guys think?  Smile


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Dragonair already fly to Kaohsiung...and operatining classics would be far to expensive. KA can afford new aircraft, so I highly doubt they would buy old 747 as pax. jets. Very unlikely.

User currently offlineN907CL From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

B-HKG msn(21746/385) B747-267B delivered in 1979 scraped in 1999, what a short life, anybody have any information way it was scraped so early.

747SR have a short life because of the short trips they were design for, but this airplane was just a regular "747".
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Photo © Duncan Stewart


From what I have found, this airplane was scraped at this airport, never to fly again.



Brian
User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1523 times:

It is a real shame.

When the Asian economies went into trouble it somewhat took people by surprise, including Cathay management. The classics had all been repainted and had new interiors installed, including PTVs in all the seats. It was not long after the last classic came out the hangars refurbished that they started to dissappear. It was quite a while before all the -400s were done. They should have done those first!!


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1517 times:

The reason it was scrapped is because CX's management did not bend on the price of the airframe. Operators that are looking for 747-200s went elsewhere where the price was lower.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

The classics will end up as freighters, and perhaps the -300's will end up with startups, ACMI's or in the third world; as far as old aircraft, look at where the 707's ended up.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

I wonder if Atlas Air Cargo would be interested in the 747-300s? Obviously the RR engines would not fit in Atlas's GE 747-200F/300F/400F fleet. They have in the past though reengined 747-200s that had P&W power supplies.


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