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Dodgy Aborted Landing Video  
User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Hey everyone. My friend was on her way to Sofia the other day and aborted her landing very very late! Now i'm not an expert but to me, that wing looks like it goes very high up! Was this dangerous at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQfESkzHPtM

P.S.

Ignore her talking..... haha "the wings are opening eeeeeeeee!" Classic...

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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14952 times:

Interesting film but not dangerous at all, the climb seemed stable and not steeper then at any normal take off.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9116 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14932 times:
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Quoting Christopherwoo (Thread starter):

You can abort a landing until the reverser are activated. So even when you touched down you can go around (or reject the landing).


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User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14910 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
So even when you touched down you can go around

ah, did not know that.



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User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

I was more talking about the point of the first touch down where the aircraft suddenly banked to the right? You see what im talking about?

User currently offline787EWR From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14701 times:



Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 4):
was more talking about the point of the first touch down where the aircraft suddenly banked to the right? You see what im talking about?

The girl on the video said there was a bit of turbulence on approach. They might have caught a gust of wind that took the pilot by surprise and took him longer down the runway that is safe. Didn't seem like a very steep lift out.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14682 times:

Hard to tell from that video but looks like a bit of LLW

Wilco, would you agree?


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14644 times:

Nothing dangerous about that go around, perfectly normal, if a little surprising for the average punter!

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Text book.. but very odd he aborted after he was on the ground. That was a little different.


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9116 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14506 times:
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Quoting Swiftski (Reply 6):
Wilco, would you agree?

Not really LLW... maybe just a small gust which let it go airborne after the first touchdown, there is a small roll to be seen and then another touchdown and then they go around. If it was a LLW - dunno... but looked like a very good decision to me to go around.

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14496 times:



Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 4):
I was more talking about the point of the first touch down where the aircraft suddenly banked to the right? You see what im talking about?

Absolutely nothing dangerous at all. Not being in the cockpit, I can't tell why the landing was aborted but it is NO big deal at all.


User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14339 times:



Quoting 787EWR (Reply 5):
They might have caught a gust of wind that took the pilot by surprise and took him longer down the runway that is safe. Didn't seem like a very steep lift out.

I have no idea how long the runway is there, but the 1000' marker was just under the wind for the first touch down, so he didn't seem to far down. He did bounce it pretty good, and aborted the landing after the 2nd touchdown. All in all, the circumstances were a bit unusual, but the actual go-around seemed perfectly normal.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6117 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

It looks to me like it was a stabilized approach, but during the landing, it became unstable, and that alone is reason to go around. There's no point in continuing your landing and becoming a ball of aluminum just because you have touched the ground. Flight instructors do aborted landings every day when their students flounder a landing and don't do anything about it.

There's a very good accident report of a twin otter that had a stabilized approach, but crashed after the landing was done incorrectly (and not corrected.)



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14152 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 10):

My only thought was a runway incursion....but he does kinda bounce pretty good..

[Edited 2008-08-10 09:01:17]


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User currently offlinePeterPuck From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13545 times:

Anyone else ever read the comments on youtube and wonder why people insist on commenting on things they know nothing about, but make it sound like they are experts?

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12890 times:



Quoting PeterPuck (Reply 14):
Anyone else ever read the comments on youtube and wonder why people insist on commenting on things they know nothing about, but make it sound like they are experts?

And that's different from here how?  duck 

But yes, you're right. It's much worse on YouTube.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12626 times:



Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 4):

I think your looking for something thats not there. I've unfortunately been on a number of go-arounds and nothing seems out of place. I'm not familiar with Sofia, but the only thing that gets my attention is the long time over the runway even with the bounce they never seemed planted. Seems like they may have floated down the runway some. Maybe due to some wind as the above posters said. If it's a short runway this could have been something briefed by the crew on arrival, if you float, go-around. The climb out seems normal and no excessive banking. Rememeber on the climb out the plane is much lighter due to the fuel burned.


Anyone have the length of Sofia?

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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6117 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12436 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 16):
Anyone have the length of Sofia?

Longest is 11,811 ft.



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User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

Looks like a Rwy 09 approach to me.
Quite often you get a late descent clearance and as a result you are high and fast on the approach which results in a long flare.
During flare, maybe after engines were put to idle, they might hit a gust.
Go around was initiated but before engines spooled up they touched down.
Nothing special, dangerous or spectacular here, but a nice video!


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12388 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 18):
Looks like a Rwy 09 approach to me.
Quite often you get a late descent clearance and as a result you are high and fast on the approach which results in a long flare.
During flare, maybe after engines were put to idle, they might hit a gust.
Go around was initiated but before engines spooled up they touched down.
Nothing special, dangerous or spectacular here, but a nice video!

Yes, it did look a bit late for the touchdown. They probably just decided to play it safe and do another approach. It did not look dangerous at all. I remember several years ago, the Weather Channel would always show a clip of what looked like a MD-80 scrapping its wing on the runway and going around. Pretty cool actually.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12366 times:



Quoting SQ325 (Reply 18):
Quite often you get a late descent clearance and as a result you are high and fast on the approach which results in a long flare.

But touchdown was just beyond the 1000' marker.

People need to realise there is not enough references, both visual and instruments in the cabin to even begin to guess why a go around was initiated. I defy anyone on here to, with 100% certainty, find a definitive reason from the video.

Let's move on!!!


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12161 times:

If it was dangerous we'd be reading the news about how someone struck a wing landing in Sofia...A go-around is a maneuver designed to enhance safety, not reduce it. If something isn't right, you go around and do it again.


Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9116 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11897 times:
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Quoting SQ325 (Reply 18):
Nothing special, dangerous or spectacular here

 thumbsup  Agreed. That's what we are trained for! Even a go aroud (rejected landing) after touchdown is possible and a normal manouver. Of course one you don't do too often but that's why we have the nice simulator training...


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8993 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 20):
But touchdown was just beyond the 1000' marker.

More times then you think, they are IF you have a lot of concrete in front of you.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 20):
I defy anyone on here to, with 100% certainty, find a definitive reason from the video.

Maybe it was time for a touch-n-go??
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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Probably caused by a passenger using some kind of electronic equipment which interfered with cockpit electronics.




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25 Rscaife1682 : Kind of like on this website Sorry I had to RYAN FLTOPS
26 Warszawa : Probably...some kid in 18A was playing his gameboy, caused the speed tape on the PFD to go to nil, which resulted in the airbus fly-by-wire kicking i
27 Aviateur : Wilco, above, is correct. I wish people didn't get so worked about go-arounds / missed approaches / rejected landings. They can be somewhat startling,
28 SOBHI51 : Nice video.But i was surprised there was no change in the flaps selection.Shoudn't they change it from landing to take off configuration?
29 Aviateur : No, not necessarily. Going around is not taking off, and the flap settings for missed approaches are often different.
30 Christopherwoo : Haha well sorry i got excited about it :P I dont often see a go around where the plane has touched down twice before initiating it! thanks for the com
31 BA32X : Hello everyone, as a lurker for ages I have finally bothered to sign up to this great site. The video is a good one, however a couple of points. Its n
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