Iluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4754 times:
It appears that beginning October 26, Qatar Airways will no longer sell seats between Newark and Geneva. All flights after that day are zeroed out, though are still in Amadeus. Newark-Doha and Geneva-Doha are both being sold beyond then (both as QR 83/84), however.
Is Qatar Airways perhaps planning to launch non-stop service from Doha to Newark and retaining a separate flight to Geneva? (Perhaps they're getting cold feet about Houston and will use the aircraft elsewhere?)
Anyone have any insights? Anyone know how the route currently performs?
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4717 times:
I hope the flight doesn't stop operating! My cousin is booked GVA-EWR on January 2 and EWR-GVA on January 14th with QR!
What may be going on is that they will sell EWR-DOH and GVA-DOH tickets, and the flight will still stop in GVA. However, they may not be selling enough tickets EWR-GVA to warrant the stop for dropping off AND picking up passengers. This may allow them to shorten the stop in GVA and modify the flight's times. Maybe they can run it with one aircraft if they do things right? Are they trying to free up another frame?
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Ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2785 posts, RR: 23 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 1): This may allow them to shorten the stop in GVA and modify the flight's times. Maybe they can run it with one aircraft if they do things right? Are they trying to free up another frame?
If that was so they would operate a non stop to both GVA & EWR. They do have the aircraft to both of them, however sans a daily operation maybe.
But the question raised is valid, why on earth are they not selling tickets between GVA & EWR. According to my friend who is an FA, on his 8 trips on that route the premium canbins were pretty full, but not the economy.
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Iluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 1): This may allow them to shorten the stop in GVA and modify the flight's times.
It seems unlikely that this would generate enough savings to offset the lost revenue of selling seats between EWR and GVA.
I wouldn't be surprised if QR has a tough time on that route. Both Continental and Swiss fly between New York and Geneva, each with a hub on one end.
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1423 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4179 times:
Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 3): I wouldn't be surprised if QR has a tough time on that route. Both Continental and Swiss fly between New York and Geneva, each with a hub on one end.
Not to mention that CO switching to Star Alliance will make this an Alliance hub-to-hub route for CO. In light of that, perhaps QR has decided that Star will have a stranglehold on the EWR-GVA route by the end of 2009 and decided to reallocate those assets elsewhere.
Purely speculation, but if they have the aircraft to do both and the premium cabins have been selling well, they may have decided to try EWR-DOH nonstop (with an additional premium for the convenience, presumably) and downguage GVA-DOH to a smaller aircraft. Or perhaps they are simply moving around tag to somewhere else?
AirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 368 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
From what I have heard in Switzerland, QR is planning to delink GVA from EWR and plan a turnaround, 4 times weekly A330, DOH-GVA-DOH. GVA-EWR has been doing well for QR and was its top destination out of Switzerland as per the local sales office. Why they want to drop this destination out of Switzerland is incomprehensible. Zurich-Doha flights have been changed to all evening departures and the flight misses most connections out/into Doha..... I sometimes wonder what QR network planning is doing.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4438 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3795 times:
QR's ZRH flights are huge money losers for the carrier as are all their DOH-USA flights.
QR's new business model is to fly ALL ultra long haul routes nonstop from its DOH hub to compete head on with EK.
NYC is likely to be served shortly nonstop from DOH be it to EWR or JFK...most likely EWR due to CO's Star Alliance hub presence there.
For IAD, it would have been better if this city was flown via GVA to have allowed QR a monopolistic position on the high yielding GVA-IAD-GVA route. As it is loads year round to IAD in the Y class cabin are very dismal. J class loads do ok...but overall its to no one's surprise that the flight performs vvv poorly $$$ wise.
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3737 times:
If DOH-EWR goes nonstop, will they use the 773 or A346?
EA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8): If DOH-EWR goes nonstop, will they use the 773 or A346?
I was wondering the same thing. Both are absolutely stunning in QR's livery. What is the difference in inflight product between the two?? Are there more F and J class on either one?
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ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3502 times:
So with all this speculation and route analysis we're doing, has QR said anything concrete yet? Will the GVA-EWR flight still be operating come January?
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Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
A friend of mine wanted to book from GVA to EWR in November. He was told the flight is operating daily but seats on this sector are blocked. Maybe they will open up as we approach respective months, as they obviously prefer to sell seats on the longest sector.
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3255 times:
Quoting Semsem (Reply 13): A friend of mine wanted to book from GVA to EWR in November.
Weird. As I said above, my cousin booked GVA-EWR for January. Though he did book a month ago, interesting that the seats are blocked.
Guess your friend will have take LX! Or will you convince him to fly via 14 other airports to avoid using Swiss? (just kidding, don't take offense!)
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Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
Anitix87 I am not crazy about LX nor CO but I usually take them to go nonstop and they give full miles/ credit even on Y tickets. They generally offer the best fares also. I wish I could take Qatar instead. I have a funny feeling that they open up the seats closer to the departure dates but I may be wrong.How come your cousin is not going LX or CO, the more usual way?
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
Quoting Semsem (Reply 15): How come your cousin is not going LX or CO, the more usual way?
Price. QR was more than 200 dollars cheaper than CO, and more practical because I'm closer to EWR than to JFK for his return flight. LX was also quite pricey.
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It is incorrect that ZRH is a huge money loser for QR! Until they changed the ZRH schedules to late night departure for this summer timetable, the ZRH route was making money.
Live4peanuts From United States of America, joined May 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2964 times:
I love QR. I flew them IAD-DOH-IAD in Feb. I sat in coach had 3 seats to myself there and back from DOH. It was a great and new experience for me. I look forward to my next trip with them to DOH in Feb and hope to someday work for them out there. Keep up the good work.
When is QR supposed to start IAH? Or are they not going to do it anymore, someone said something about cold feet so I am just wondering. Thank you.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2930 times:
Quoting Live4peanuts (Reply 18): When is QR supposed to start IAH? Or are they not going to do it anymore, someone said something about cold feet so I am just wondering. Thank you.
QR starts IAH service Dec,8. Despite the speculation on the part of the author of this thread that QR is getting cold feet with regards to IAH, my QR contact says that IAH is going full steam and there are no doubts about the route. As my contact states "The service is projected to be a strong performer" .
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16245 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2912 times:
CO's EWR-GVA is being upgraded to a 777-200ER this fall.
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3541 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2893 times:
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 21): Is this still on a go? I remember reading there was another galley supplier delay with EKs 77Ls.
Iluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 20): CO's EWR-GVA is being upgraded to a 777-200ER this fall.
Says who? That's not what the schedule says. Continental's website shows a 767-400ER from now into next summer.
Dennys From France, joined May 2001, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
Great news that QR is flying their A346s on long hauls finally !!!
dennys
25 ANITIX87: Was discussed in Swiss Aviation Thread 17. Here's a quote from use "Runway23" Continental this winter are upgrading their service to Switzerland as fo
26 Semsem: Disturbing that CO will upgrade to 777 from 767 to GVA. The legroom on their 767s is 32" while on the 777 it's 31". To me it makes a difference and is
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