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Lufthansa Cityline Callsign  
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2382 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

I've heard that Lufthansa cityline operations have their own ICAO callsign of "Hansaline".

Is this true?


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5293 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Thread starter):
I've heard that Lufthansa cityline operations have their own ICAO callsign of "Hansaline".

afaik, yes.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

True. They are a separate airline within the Lufthansa Group.
ICAO code: CLH
IATA code: CL



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User currently offlineDLH405heavy From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Well, as far as that goes I've never heard them on the radio with that callsign. Even other regional partnes such as Eurowings use the standard "Lufthansa" radio callsign.


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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5084 times:



Quoting DLH405heavy (Reply 3):
Well, as far as that goes I've never heard them on the radio with that callsign. Even other regional partnes such as Eurowings use the standard "Lufthansa" radio callsign.

Yep, all Lufthansa flights operated by their regional partners use the normal Lufthansa callsign


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

there's definitely no separate callsign, cityline flights are called 'lufthansa' just as LH itself (and its other regional partners).


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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

The callsigns are mostly alphanumeric now - especially on intra-European routes.

For example, LH4772 might be Lufthansa 23 Delta (just a fictional example)


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5023 times:



Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 5):
there's definitely no separate callsign

There is, theoretically. Hansaline is their callsign registered at Eurocontrol, however, because they do not fly their own branded ops, but sell their flights 100% through LH (Just like US regionals flying contracted ops for the legacies), their callsign is Lufthansa.

As said, they are a seperate entity within the LH group, and thus need an own callsign by law.


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4983 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
Just like US regionals flying contracted ops for the legacies

Regional airlines in the U. S. uses their own call-sign. IE, YV5555 would be Air Shuttle5555. Eventhough YV (Mesa Airlines) operates for UA and US.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4959 times:



Quoting Hywel (Reply 6):
The callsigns are mostly alphanumeric now - especially on intra-European routes.

For example, LH4772 might be Lufthansa 23 Delta (just a fictional example)

Does anyone know where I can get a list of all the LH alphanumeric callsigns, and the real flight number it translates to?



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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 9):
Does anyone know where I can get a list of all the LH alphanumeric callsigns, and the real flight number it translates to?

Lufthansa have no rationale behind their callsign allocations, so by the time a list is compiled, most of them will have already changed!

Some you can work out, e.g. some of the LCY ones have a "CY" suffix but some are just numbers. There is no logical sequence. If you look at the Lufthansa flight numbers, all the morning arrivals at the same time are similar flight numbers!

Nevertheless, here's all the LH flights into LHR on the 31st July 08:

DLH1HR LH4756 DAIPF A320 EDDM 1311 206 09L
DLH1VU LH4742 DAIRL A321 EDDF 1923 203 09L
DLH1XN LH4738 DAISC A321 EDDF 1634 206 09L
DLH2H LH4723 DAIQF A320 EDDF 0823 203 09R
DLH2JW LH4788 DABJF B735 EDDK 1732 211 09L
DLH2VY LH4762 DAILH A319 EDDM 1806 206 09L
DLH3AL LH4778 DABEL B733 EDDL 1728 205 09L
DLH3HY LH4793 DABEP B733 EDDH 1419 210 09R
DLH3KC LH4786 DABJF B735 EDDK 1313 208 09L
DLH3LY LH4752 DAIPE A320 EDDM 0923 202 09L
DLH3UT LH4787 DABJF B735 EDDK 1430 208 09R
DLH3XY LH4783 DACPS CRJ7 EDDS 1805 204 09R
DLH4770 LH4770 DACFA B462 EDDL 0637 202 09L
DLH4771 LH4771 DACFA B462 EDDL 0730 202 09R
DLH4772 LH4772 DACFA B462 EDDL 1046 207 09L
DLH4773 LH4773 DACFA B462 EDDL 1220 207 09R
DLH4MC LH4789 DABJF B735 EDDK 1902 211 09R
DLH4PH LH4785 DABJF B735 EDDK 0906 205 09R
DLH5KW LH4784 DABJF B735 EDDK 0754 205 09L
DLH5NF LH4782 DACPS CRJ7 EDDS 1637 204 09L
DLH5PL LH4790 DABEP B733 EDDH 0713 208 09L
DLH5RP LH4759 DAIRS A321 EDDM 1645 213 09R
DLH5TU LH4791 DABEP B733 EDDH 0829 208 09R
DLH5U LH4729 DAIRL A321 EDDF 1406 203 09R
DLH6AE LH4753 DAIPE A320 EDDM 1042 202 09R
DLH6CL LH4794 DABEP B733 EDDH 1736 213 09L
DLH6JM LH4722 DAIQF A320 EDDF 0703 203 09L
DLH6RX LH4781 DACPS CRJ7 EDDS 0739 205 09R
DLH6TV LH4779 DABEL B733 EDDL 1900 205 09R
DLH6U LH4733 DAIRY A321 EDDF 1651 215 09R
DLH7CJ LH4764 DAIRT A321 EDDM 1904 204 09L
DLH7H LH4739 DAISC A321 EDDF 1833 206 09R
DLH7JV LH4780 DACPS CRJ7 EDDS 0642 205 09L
DLH7XV LH4757 DAIPF A320 EDDM 1450 206 09R
DLH7XY LH4763 DAILH A319 EDDM 1925 206 09R
DLH7YK LH4728 DAIRL A321 EDDF 1219 203 09L
DLH8AM LH4744 DAISB A321 EDDF 2107 209 09L
DLH8H LH4727 DAIRU A321 EDDF 1107 206 09R
DLH8LY LH4750 DAIPW A320 EDDM 0737 202 09L
DLH8NK LH4792 DABEP B733 EDDH 1302 210 09L
DLH8RV LH4726 DAIRU A321 EDDF 0929 206 09L
DLH8VX LH4795 DABEP B733 EDDH 1851 213 09R
DLH9LC LH4765 DAIPB A320 EDDM 0642 203 09R
DLH9MC LH4758 DAIRS A321 EDDM 1522 213 09L
DLH9TK LH4732 DAIRY A321 EDDF 1524 215 09L
DLH9U LH4745 DAIQW A320 EDDF 0626 202 09R
DLH9WY LH4751 DAIPW A320 EDDM 0855 202 09R

[Edited 2008-08-13 23:45:15]

User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4806 times:



Quoting Hywel (Reply 10):
Lufthansa have no rationale behind their callsign allocations, so by the time a list is compiled, most of them will have already changed!

... not sure but e.g. LH4725 LHR-FRA has had a callsign DLH8U at least the whole 2008 (just checked).

I have no idea how and when the callsigns are created... would be nice to know though  Smile



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4799 times:



Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 8):

Regional airlines in the U. S. uses their own call-sign. IE, YV5555 would be Air Shuttle5555. Eventhough YV (Mesa Airlines) operates for UA and US.

Err, ok. Then Cityline i sthe same as Swiss European within the Swiss group.

Bottom line, Cityline does have its own callsign, but doesnt use it.


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4774 times:



Quoting Hywel (Reply 10):
DLH4770 LH4770 DACFA B462 EDDL 0637 202 09L
DLH4771 LH4771 DACFA B462 EDDL 0730 202 09R
DLH4772 LH4772 DACFA B462 EDDL 1046 207 09L
DLH4773 LH4773 DACFA B462 EDDL 1220 207 09R

how does a single plane manage to arrive into LHR four times in six hours....?  Confused



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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4762 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 13):
how does a single plane manage to arrive into LHR four times in six hours....?

Because it includes both arrivals and departures.
Even numbers are arrivals into LHR and odds departures from LHR



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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4749 times:



Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
Because it includes both arrivals and departures.
Even numbers are arrivals into LHR and odds departures from LHR

Forgot to mention this sorry.

It's interesting that LH flights operated by Eurowings don't appear to use alphanumeric callsigns.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

So is that standard practice in Europe, if a regional partner flies for a big airline they use that airlines callsign? Like it was posted above, in America a regional partner uses their own callsign.

User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4593 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 16):
So is that standard practice in Europe, if a regional partner flies for a big airline they use that airlines callsign? Like it was posted above, in America a regional partner uses their own callsign.

It's about ownership. In Europe, most legacies own their regional affiliates (ie. KL, LH, LX), while in the US, most regionals are independant carriers merely contracted by the legacies (afaik). So in LH's case, Cityline is allowed to use LH's callsign, becaus ethey're 100% owned by LH, however they legally need to have an own registered callsign.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2382 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Thank you everyone for your replies.

This is exactly why i brought up the question, since every time i scanned the frequencies of Europe on liveatc.net, i always heard Lufthansa and never Hansaline.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2382 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

One more question, when filling flight plans, do CityLine pilots use their ICAO code CLH or Lufthansa's DLH ?

Same question for the IATA code. Is it written CL on your ticket or LH for Cityline flights?

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2008-08-15 22:16:15]


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