DLH405heavy From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4054 times:
Well, as far as that goes I've never heard them on the radio with that callsign. Even other regional partnes such as Eurowings use the standard "Lufthansa" radio callsign.
Hywel From Peru, joined Apr 2008, 722 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4031 times:
Quoting DLH405heavy (Reply 3): Well, as far as that goes I've never heard them on the radio with that callsign. Even other regional partnes such as Eurowings use the standard "Lufthansa" radio callsign.
Yep, all Lufthansa flights operated by their regional partners use the normal Lufthansa callsign
There is, theoretically. Hansaline is their callsign registered at Eurocontrol, however, because they do not fly their own branded ops, but sell their flights 100% through LH (Just like US regionals flying contracted ops for the legacies), their callsign is Lufthansa.
As said, they are a seperate entity within the LH group, and thus need an own callsign by law.
Azncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7): Just like US regionals flying contracted ops for the legacies
Regional airlines in the U. S. uses their own call-sign. IE, YV5555 would be Air Shuttle5555. Eventhough YV (Mesa Airlines) operates for UA and US.
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3906 times:
Quoting Hywel (Reply 6): The callsigns are mostly alphanumeric now - especially on intra-European routes.
For example, LH4772 might be Lufthansa 23 Delta (just a fictional example)
Does anyone know where I can get a list of all the LH alphanumeric callsigns, and the real flight number it translates to?
Hywel From Peru, joined Apr 2008, 722 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 9): Does anyone know where I can get a list of all the LH alphanumeric callsigns, and the real flight number it translates to?
Lufthansa have no rationale behind their callsign allocations, so by the time a list is compiled, most of them will have already changed!
Some you can work out, e.g. some of the LCY ones have a "CY" suffix but some are just numbers. There is no logical sequence. If you look at the Lufthansa flight numbers, all the morning arrivals at the same time are similar flight numbers!
Nevertheless, here's all the LH flights into LHR on the 31st July 08:
DABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1190 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
Quoting Hywel (Reply 10): Lufthansa have no rationale behind their callsign allocations, so by the time a list is compiled, most of them will have already changed!
... not sure but e.g. LH4725 LHR-FRA has had a callsign DLH8U at least the whole 2008 (just checked).
I have no idea how and when the callsigns are created... would be nice to know though
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SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 8):
Regional airlines in the U. S. uses their own call-sign. IE, YV5555 would be Air Shuttle5555. Eventhough YV (Mesa Airlines) operates for UA and US.
Err, ok. Then Cityline i sthe same as Swiss European within the Swiss group.
Bottom line, Cityline does have its own callsign, but doesnt use it.
413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3556 times:
So is that standard practice in Europe, if a regional partner flies for a big airline they use that airlines callsign? Like it was posted above, in America a regional partner uses their own callsign.
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3540 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 16): So is that standard practice in Europe, if a regional partner flies for a big airline they use that airlines callsign? Like it was posted above, in America a regional partner uses their own callsign.
It's about ownership. In Europe, most legacies own their regional affiliates (ie. KL, LH, LX), while in the US, most regionals are independant carriers merely contracted by the legacies (afaik). So in LH's case, Cityline is allowed to use LH's callsign, becaus ethey're 100% owned by LH, however they legally need to have an own registered callsign.
Thenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1979 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3444 times:
Thank you everyone for your replies.
This is exactly why i brought up the question, since every time i scanned the frequencies of Europe on liveatc.net, i always heard Lufthansa and never Hansaline.
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
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