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Syrian Arab To Buy 50! Airbus Planes  
User currently offlineTriniA340 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 12813 times:

Syria's state-run airline plans to buy 50 Airbus aircraft.

Quote:
Initial negotiations with France's government, also involving a reorganization of the airline, were held three weeks ago and a transaction may be completed when French President Nicolas Sarkozy visits Syria in September, Dardari said in an interview in Damascus. The airline would buy single-aisle Airbus A320s as well as twin-aisle A330, A340 and A350 models.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article...._id=10&categ_id=3&article_id=95041

Bonus: A340 Included!!!


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 12796 times:

Awesome! If this goes through, it'll be an order that nobody expected. The "dead" A340 picking up a few new orders would be a nice bonus indeed.

However, i'll remain a bit sceptical. How would they justify such a steep expansion?


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 12394 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 1):
The "dead" A340 picking up a few new orders would be a nice bonus indeed.

A strange choice if they go for the A340 with both the A330 and A350 in the package.
But I guess if they need the range and availebility ....


User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 12360 times:

Read the same thing in a local newspaper, ordering Airbus is one thing but 50!. I doubt they need 50 planes, there current fleet consists of 6 A320's and a couple of ageing SP's (thats if they are still in service), will be interesting to see how things develop.
I personally expect a few A32x's and 2-3 A330's to replace the 747's.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12028 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12164 times:
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Nitpick: the airline has been called Syrianair since 1977.  snooty 

Their active passenger fleet currently consists of:
2 x 747SP
2 or 3 x 727
6 x A320

They also operate a number of Yak-40s, Tu-134s, Il-76s and An-26s for the Syrian AF.

Buying 50 planes would represent a massive fleet expansion, so I suspect a significant part of that 50 will be options.



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1907 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12123 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Buying 50 planes would represent a massive fleet expansion, so I suspect a significant part of that 50 will be options.

Or Syrianair wants to become a competitor for EK...  Wink  duck 

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12078 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Buying 50 planes would represent a massive fleet expansion

Remember that the time-span for the order is very long!

The article says that the airline is planning to take delivery of 14 Airbus between 2010 and 2018, with the remaining 36 aircrafts are to be delivered between 2018 and 2028.

The A330s and A340s are likely to be eventually replaced by A350 after 2018,
so not all WBs are likely to be operated at the same time.

Unless business goes really well, Syrainair probably don't plan for operating all 50 planes at the same time.

On the other hand, the growth plans for some other middle east airlines are not less impressive.  Smile



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12054 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
They also operate a number of Yak-40s, Tu-134s, Il-76s and An-26s for the Syrian AF.

At least the Yaks and the Tupolevs are still in passenger service, the Ilyushins seem to haul commercial freight now and then as well.

I guess with this order we can firmly assume that the Il-96-400 will never be built, not that it would have been anyway I don't think. Shame though, the Il-96 would have looked just swell in SyrianAir's livery! Good luck to them, nice airline, geographically they are in a good position to shift a lot of passengers to and from Iraq, perhaps that's one market they are looking at.


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12002 times:

The opening towards the West will also allow the set-up of the first Damascus Stock Exchange ..Things are moving into the right direction in Syria - all we need now is a visa-on-arrival regulation ..
Great news for Syrian Arab Airlines !



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11564 times:



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 6):
delivered between 2018 and 2028.

LOL ... maybe they should be looking at the A350 replacement instead.
 Big grin
What will Airbus do when they done with the A390 anyway?!? The A400 domain-name is kind of taken.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11340 times:

It would be fair to assume that Syria's economic situation will considerably improve once the country has sorted out it's historic liabilities and get re-introduced fully in the international community.
While it is true that this future order will be a phased introduction and most likely the number of 50 aircraft will not constitute the actual number of active planes any time given,it is a great decision and good news for Airbus.
Tourism and economic trade will require a change in visa-rules-something Damascus should consider within a relative short timeframe. Arrival visas like the ones issued in most ME countries e.a. Lebanon,UAE or Egypt,would considerably boost tourist trips and generate more income.
Syria is a not to well known destination among most foreigners and does require improvements in hospitality infrastructure-specially the sea-site places and Aleppo do need better hotel and lrestaurant infrastructures.
But once those put in place,the actual fleet-size of Syrianair will soon become too small and a reasonable estimate would call for about 10-12 A319/A320's and three to four A330's .

[Edited 2008-08-14 02:13:27]


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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 10709 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
Their active passenger fleet currently consists of:
2 x 747SP
2 or 3 x 727
6 x A320



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
Syria is a not to well known destination among most foreigners and does require improvements in hospitality infrastructure-specially the sea-site places and Aleppo do need better hotel and lrestaurant infrastructures.
But once those put in place,the actual fleet-size of Syrianair will soon become too small and a reasonable estimate would call for about 10-12 A319/A320's and three to four A330's .

That sounds realistic.

The airline would lease four planes in the next 18 months and then take delivery of the first 14 Airbus airliners from 2010 to 2018 and a further 36 by 2028, Dardari said.

We are really talking about 14 or so aircraft in the next 10 years by the sound of it. Would that perhaps break down into 10 x A32X, 4 x A330 on lease until the A350 is available then 4 x A350 to replace the A330's?


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10353 times:

Any idea what version of the A340 will they order ?
Could it be that some of the aircraft will be used as government aircraft ?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

I'm glad the idiotic Bush Govt. has put sanctions in...this only hurts Boeing...at the very least, it probably allows Airbus the upper hand in negotiations(that's good for Airbus..more power to them!)....good job GWB...

Regardless, congrats to Airbus on the order!

[Edited 2008-08-14 04:43:50]


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User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10037 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
Any idea what version of the A340 will they order ?
Could it be that some of the aircraft will be used as government aircraft ?

That would be only reason I can think of, I cannot see any destination for RB the A330 couldn't reach... So, considering they cannot have anything smaller than their Jordan neighbours as a government plane, it must be an A340-600  Big grin



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Yeah, a VIP A340 seems like the most reasonable reason for RB to include that type in the order. Frankly I don't see what RB would do with 50 planes!

Now if they intend to replace the existing fleet of narrow-bodies and exotic planes with newer aircraft that provide better amenities (PTV, real business class e.g. ME), that will cover a part of the order. As well if they want to replace the B747s then some A330s may come in handy. Then there is room for growth and the likely replacement of the A330s by A350s at one point in the carrier's life, unless they grow so much they end up keeping both.

It would be interesting to see if important infrastructure plans and works will be started at ALP, DAM, and other Syrian airports with the aim of making them into modern hubs.

On a childish sidenote, if RB orders 50 jets from Airbus, I really can't wait for ME and SN's own triple digit orders!



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User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9625 times:

If confirmed, it's a bad new for Russian made aircrafts.....  Sad

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9518 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 15):

On a childish sidenote, if RB orders 50 jets from Airbus, I really can't wait for ME and SN's own triple digit orders!

On another childish sidenote- the GDP of Syria is an estimated 90 B $ in 2008 with a split of Agriculture (24%), Industry (18%), Services (58%)
The GDP of Lebanon is about 45 B $ for 2008 - agriculture (5.1%), industry (19%), services (76%)
My prediction is a slight shift of the Syrian figures from the agriculture into the service sector,with the resulting effect of creating considerably more visitors.
A "pacified" Syria-Lebanon region is beneficial for both countries and will create also more economic growth within the Lebanon.A secure political environment will attract more investments in both countries.
Many Lebanese are still very hostile towards Syria based on historic experience.I don't say they are wrong, but they should learn to accept a change in attitude,style and people deployed in Damascus. It's not a process that will come overnight - but give some credits to the ones that try to change things.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9189 times:

I wonder if its to do with ETOPS restrictions - IIRC an airline has to be ETOPS-180 compliant to fly ETOPS-180 routes - having an A330 is all very well but if you cant fly it on ETOPS missions because your MX department arent accredited/certified to do it, then you cant. A340 = no problem!


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9134 times:

Interesting remark- although I think most (potential) new A330's would be deployd into thicker routes like LHR,FRA,CDG,MUC,DBX and into Asia ,where ETOPS is not much of an issue.
I don't see Syrianair opening much of flights into the USA for the obvious historical reasons and current lack of market.



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

Come to think of it, that A340 could also serve more economically on a long-thin over-water route between (THR, ) DAM and CCS where ETOPS probably is an issue and where the current A340 (-200?) may not be very economical.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8976 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 20):
Come to think of it, that A340 could also serve more economically on a long-thin over-water route between (THR, ) DAM and CCS where ETOPS probably is an issue and where the current A340 (-200?) may not be very economical.

I bet they are buying some Airbuses and then going to lease them to IR.  Wink

A346-tastic!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8941 times:



Quoting Chiad (Reply 9):
What will Airbus do when they done with the A390 anyway?!? The A400 domain-name is kind of taken.

They still have a360 and a370 of course. Boeing will be facing this question earlier after the 797.

Quoting TriniA340 (Thread starter):
Bonus: A340 Included!!!

Indeed, too bad the article doesn't specify which version of the a340, but the a343 seems more likely than the a346, due to it's size.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

Seems as Syria , has made the decision to become a respectable country , and no more a killer of Lebanon.
The state visit of lebanese President at Damascus yesterday , welcome at the airport by Bachar El Hassad himself , could be a good sign of this.

Perhaps Syria has also decided to invest in tourism , and in this case will need modern planes.
Syria is a very beautiful country , and tourism potential is large.

Perhaps we can also make a parallel between Syria and Libya.Seems as both countries are in the same way to become respectable countries.

Apart this Airbus order , i will not be surprised , RB will also signs one day an ATR order , to replace both Yak40s and An26s.

In fact , even if this is great news to see RB acquiring Airbusses , it's so sad to see the Russian market for airliners becoming smaller and smaller.Very sad news.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 23):
Perhaps we can also make a parallel between Syria and Libya.Seems as both countries are in the same way to become respectable countries.

I have my doubts that you can compare Qaddafi and Assad intellectually and in terms of supporting staff. While Libya has changed and dis-associated itself from Terrorism support,the great leader is slowly shifting into intellectual inconcousness..
His off-springs demonstrate the "seriousness" of their fathers political control.The whole family is good for a major psychological asylum..
While Syria is a fully laïc country,Libya remains an islamists paradise..

[Edited 2008-08-14 08:17:55]


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25 FlySSC : Wait before this order is officially placed ! It is not a big NEWS that RB needs a fleet renewal and plans to acquire more Airbus ... but IL96 were al
26 Scbriml : Where are they flying their SPs today?
27 Post contains links Beaucaire : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Syrian-Air/Boeing-747SP-94/0860773/M/ Syrianair used to fly to MUC on A320 and on certain days on 747SP in the past and
28 FlySSC : Where they can ... considering the technical problems they have with them ! Officially, they were supposed to be already retired ... They mostly use
29 Scbriml : Whenever I saw Syrianair at DXB, it was always their 727s. However, their SPs were fairly regular visitors to SHJ. This was over a year ago now.
30 Pylon101 : Syria is an amazing counry. I was lucky to visit it a few years ago. I can't say about economy. But in terms of sightseings, great beaches and friendl
31 Flight152 : Ha. Yeah, what respectable country's government doesn't allow anti-US demonstrations?
32 FlySSC : Good intentions are not enough. Facts will confirm ... or not
33 Bennett123 : Flight 152 You want more Anti US demonstrations?
34 JAL : Boy! Sounds like very ambitious!
35 Breiz : What about the French college at Damas and the University of Alep? Cultural relations between France and Syria have never ceased since the mandate pe
36 Post contains links FlySSC : If you are interested in Syrian Air history, I invite to visit the excellent website created by Wassim C. (A.Netter : wassch71) on this subject : http
37 United787 : Congrats to Syria! I am looking forward to visiting Syria soon now that I am married to a Syrian-American. As much as I would like to see some old 727
38 777way : Officially full name is still Syrian Arab Airlines.
39 ME AVN FAN : - Quite to the contrary, those in charge in Damascus found it rather difficult over the years to justify such a meagre network. There is far more pot
40 GBan : 100% Agreed, but I'll have to hurry up to show the place to my family before that happens
41 FlySSC : Everybody knows the potential of Syria. But starting the process by ordering (maybe) so many aircraft is like starting the process by the end ! Many
42 ME AVN FAN : - There in fact is considerable tourism into countries with more than questionable political regimes and with a politics-wise clearly negative image,
43 Post contains links Scbriml : It seems that there may not be much substance to this after all. http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSLT54642020080829
44 Post contains links Beaucaire : The core of the problem are US made components within the aircraf that are excluded to be exported to the "axe ofevil" states-and to Bush Syria is st
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