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Window Seat With No Window On Air Europa!  
User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12729 times:

Tuesday evening I was flying back from Palma de Mallorca to Paris Orly on Air Europa, under an Air France codeshare (this was my 4th sector of the day, getting to Palma for meetings can be a bit complicated).

I was on a 737-800, flight UX1297 departing PMI at 19:15, Seat 10A.

I had selected my seat in order to be next to a window, as the departure from PMI is nice, then you cross the coast, overfly the east of the pyrennees and head up to Paris.

I was rather surprised to find that my "WINDOW" seat had... no window.

In fact, all I had was a blank panel.
You couldn't even peak out of the window in front or behind, it was really a BIG blank area.

I fly Air Europa a fair bit to go to PMI, but I had never noticed it before...

Why do they not have windows in that location?
I thought it was a bit of a downer, but hey, I survived...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Europa/Boeing-737-85P/1376811/L/

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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12728 times:

It doesn't have a window there because, I believe, that's where the airconditioning piping goes.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12728 times:

That must be where they route the aircond and electrics from the bottom half or the fuselage to the top half.

It's a good idea to check out seatguru before you choose your seats online.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

737NG have these windowless or misaligned window seats in most configurations.


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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1161 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12516 times:

a lot of airlines have specific seats with no windows. i saw that personally on United 777's, LH 747, UA 757, CO 737-700 and even our own EK 330's & 777 exit seats


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12877 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12392 times:
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Yep, had the same thing on a VS flight to HAV - 12 hours in a "window" seat with no view.  banghead 


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User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2498 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12255 times:

Same here, Was on a BA747-200 and specifcally asked for a window seat. All I got was the white panel as well. How disapointing.

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12220 times:

Had one on a CO 777 one day. It felt terribly claustrophobic to be seated between a blank plastic wall, two seats on the right and two rows of seat front and back.

Fortunately the flight wasn't full and the f/a's got me another one.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

It sucks to be you guys. Most aircraft have ventilation or electrics running up the fuselage. If you fly as much as you say you should have known about the window situation.


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

I had this experience on a 9W 737NG and an AI A310.....most horrible feeling when you reach your seat on boarding and see the blank wall where there should have been a window....  mad 

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11953 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
737NG have these windowless or misaligned window seats in most configurations.

Not just the NGs. The 737-300/400/500 also have a missing window on each side.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11919 times:



Quoting Chuchoteur (Thread starter):
I was rather surprised to find that my "WINDOW" seat had... no window.

I'm sorry to hear that. Not having a window, IMO, truly makes the fly experience miserable. I was on a FL flight a few years ago and they selected our seats for us (which was really annoying!---it was before they allowed you to pay the fee to select your seats) and I had a "window" seat, but we were put in the last row on a B717, where there is no window! I was VERY upset! All the other seats were full at the time of check-in, so we couldn't change our seats.

IMO, they shouldn't have seats by the panels where there's no window. Maybe they should order the aircraft with more windows and/or put a galley or something in that space. It is quite upsetting to many of us when we don't get a window seat.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 2):
It's a good idea to check out seatguru before you choose your seats online.

I agree. Check seatguru.com before you book your seats. It really helps!

Again, sorry you had a bad experience!


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11914 times:

The Orly based Air France A320 (in the 172 Y config) also don't have window on the last row of the cabin, seats 30A & 30F ...

User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11802 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
IMO, they shouldn't have seats by the panels where there's no window. Maybe they should order the aircraft with more windows and/or put a galley or something in that space. It is quite upsetting to many of us when we don't get a window seat.

I'm sure no airline shares your opinion; they put seats where they will fit. I can assure you that the galley, lav and seat layouts are done to maximize the efficiency of the aircraft and all the constraints and engineering trade-offs that go into those choices by both the aircraft maker and airline.

Unfortunately, a Window seat would be more properly be called a fuselage seat since there are several aircraft types where you will find: no windows, small window, offset window, etc, adjacent to certain so-called window seats.

I do recommend sites like seatguru since there are many other factors that may be important, including a window, like seat pitch variations, lav/galley locations, exit rows, bulkheads, seat recline limitations, etc. Be sure that not every seat is the same.


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 978 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11749 times:

As a window seat fanatic I've learned the hard way, a window seat isn't always a window seat. I've experienced this annoyance on A300s, 767-300s and 737-300s. That's why I now go to Seat Guru.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

I always thought the missing window (that's in-line with the front fan on the engine) was missing in case of un-contained engine failure. can anyone confirm?

User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11280 times:

On the UA 733 or 735 i forget row 8 has no windows


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1818 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11238 times:

There are not as many windows as rows of seats i think. If you look down the aircraft, isles and windows dont match up so occasionally there will be a blanks where a window should be. I think thats right anyway!


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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11172 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
Maybe they should order the aircraft with more windows

That's not an option. There's no window at that spot because there's stuff you have to have between the sidewall and the fuselage skin that can't have a window going through it.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 15):
I always thought the missing window (that's in-line with the front fan on the engine) was missing in case of un-contained engine failure. can anyone confirm?

Nope. The engine has to contain all the stuff that is containable (basically, individual blades)...if they get outside the engine into the fuselage that's a big no-no. Some parts are not containable (turbine disks) and if they escape the engine then they're going through the fuselage whether you want them to or not.

Tom.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11086 times:

I have noticed on AC's 767's (can't recall which model) that had seats in the front half of the aircraft without a window in a row. When I asked the flight attendant he said that is the strengthened section where the wing spar joins the body. A thicker ring of aluminum goes around the fuselage there. I have never questioned it or checked for myself - just assumed it was the reason.

User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

I've never been on a DL MD-88, but I noticed that theirs (as well as their MD-90s) have a gap in the windows only on the left side of the fuselage. I believe it's for the A/C ventilation ducts. I also noticed that no other airline flying the type have the same gap. Is the placement of the ducts a customer option? And are there seats on that side of the cabin?


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User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2169 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10966 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
I was on a FL flight a few years ago and they selected our seats for us (which was really annoying!---it was before they allowed you to pay the fee to select your seats) and I had a "window" seat, but we were put in the last row on a B717, where there is no window! I was VERY upset!

I had that happen on Midwest once, but the F/As found me an actual window seat.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10940 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 11):
IMO, they shouldn't have seats by the panels where there's no window. Maybe they should order the aircraft with more windows and/or put a galley or something in that space. It is quite upsetting to many of us when we don't get a window seat.

On the 737 Jurassics (731 and 732) there were 6 riser ducts on each side that were separated around the windows so that there were no blocked windows. When Boeing created the 737 classics (733, 734 and 735), they switched to having two large ducts which require blocked windows. This saves weight on the airplane which obviously improves performance and decreases fuel burn. Airlines prefer a lower weight plane over having the extra windows.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 15):
I always thought the missing window (that's in-line with the front fan on the engine) was missing in case of un-contained engine failure. can anyone confirm?

No, they are there because that is where the air riser ducts for the ECS (environmental control system) are. The air packs are located just forward of the wheel well near the wing to body faring.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10923 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Yep, had the same thing on a VS flight to HAV - 12 hours in a "window" seat with no view.

You couldn't wave Castro hello, that must have sucked


The space where the wing begins?



User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10858 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 19):
When I asked the flight attendant he said that is the strengthened section where the wing spar joins the body. A thicker ring of aluminum goes around the fuselage there. I have never questioned it or checked for myself - just assumed it was the reason.

It's part of something called a "pickle fork fitting". It's a fat bulkhead that carries load from the wing spar into the fuselage.

Tom.


25 Post contains links and images ACDC8 : I had that happen to me back in 2004 with LTU. I was flying DUS-YVR and asked for a window seat, so they gave me row 10 or 11 (can't remember exactly)
26 Aviator86 : Yea I always check seatguru.com or seatexpert.com just to make sure that doesn't happen. It is quite frustrating when you get such a seat. Perhaps you
27 GrahamHill : It happened to me as well on a WX BAe Avro RJ. I had the same claustrophobic feeling. Fortunately, it was only a 1,5 hour flight!
28 Moo : Anyone know if the case is similar on the Fokker 50? I have a flight from LCY to Antwerp next month on VLM...
29 Philzh : If you like your windows while flying, try not to get 29A and 29K in Emirates' A340... DXB to SYD tends to feel *really* long on these seats.
30 FlyingAY : "Would you like a window seat or an aisle seat?" "Window seat, please." And when I walked to the BA 767-300, I found out that my window seat actually
31 Emrecan : Same thing happened to me on a PGT flight (737-800) to AYT from IST. I was lucky that the flight has lasted only 1 hour...[Edited 2008-08-15 03:18:53]
32 Debonair : Check-In doesn't know either! In most of the check-in systems I know and I work with, there is no sign which seat has got a window or just a panel! S
33 Brilondon : If you check the airline websites you can find out this information, and if this does not suit you there is this website called seatguru that will te
34 WildcatYXU : I guess what ACDC8 is trying to tell us that even knowledge of seat configurations doesn't fully guarantee that you won't get such seat. That was esp
35 IAirAllie : I second the seatguru.com recommendation. I always refer to it when reserving a seat.
36 Post contains links Bok269 : It's due to the cabin they have in the middle of the rear cabin on the left hand side: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Del..._Airlines/Delta_Airline
37 Panova98 : I agree with the comments about Seatguru.com. It's terrific, with one exception, the effect of the wing and engine limiting whether you can see the gr
38 ACDC8 : Lets take Air Canada for example, I'm flying YYZ-FRA and I'm booked one one of their 763s, which layout can I expect? AC has 4 for their 763s. Point
39 PSAelectra : This topic hit a nerve with me as well, having been assigned "window-less window seats" many times over the years. Could never understand why Boeing f
40 Stratosphere : Try flying backwards with no window like I do at FedEx...It isn't like it was when I flew NW as an employee but atleast it's free.
41 Tdscanuck : They *can*, but why would they? The airline is paying Boeing for revenue seats, not window seats. If you ran it next to the door frame you'd just hav
42 Bok269 : Seatguru notes the Exit rows-generally speaking, those are to be avoided if you want a view. As for being on the wing in a normal row, I've never rea
43 Brilondon : I know that people may find it hard to find out information but I just tried to give you the best resource I know and I find it quite accurate and us
44 Post contains images Chuchoteur : ... I actually fly a lot (I oscillate between Gold and Platinum member on Skyteam, with a few other flights spread out with the other alliances), but
45 Post contains images JetMech : I'm completely mystified as to why some appear to be blaming Boeing for the "windowless" issue Are some of you suggesting that Boeing develops a custo
46 Irobertson : My fiancee and I both encountered this in Air Canada's 773's from YYZ-LHR, in economy just two rows before biz class. I think it (and it's pair on the
47 Panova98 : Dear mystified, and others.., these discussions are funny, to say the least, but it gives us a chance to rant, rave, kid, whatever. I don't mean my co
48 DCA-ROCguy : On AirTran, avoid row 14 on 73G's. On their 717's, avoid the last two rows (30-31). On a 767 on a carrier like AC with multiple versions, Y fliers can
49 Post contains links and images DUALRATED : I recall the same on CO's MD80's in the rear you either had a blank spot instead of a window, or an engine nacelle! View Large View MediumPhoto ©
50 JetMech : Sure, but the fact still remains, if the seat pitch is not an exact match for the window pitch, you will still have seats that are partially or fully
51 Brilondon : What is it with you guys I only suggested resources that would help you. Like life it not the definitive answer you seek. Stop ripping me for trying
52 Tdscanuck : Yes, but the core service is moving people economically and safety from A to B. The view on the way is *way* down the list of services. But you also
53 Bramble : Well said.
54 Brilondon : That is not exactly true. An airline exists as all businesses to earn its owners a profit. The way it earns a profit (for all you commie socialists I
55 Moo : Significant portions of people don't suffer motion sickness solely because they can see movement outside.
56 Brilondon : What?! are you talking about?
57 Chuchoteur : I can believe that... I'm not prone to motion sickness, but at pushback, with no external reference, I thought we were moving when in fact we were st
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