Sketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
Ive just read this on BA's internal news.
It looks as if BA, IB and AA are to ask for a joint business agreement covering flights between the US, Mexico and Canada and the EU, Switzerland and Norway.
The agreement will also expand BA's codeshare arrangements with American on flights within and beyond the EU and the US, significantly increasing the number of destinations BA can offer.
The benefits for the customers are:
Greater access to discounted fares
Better alignment of schedules to provide smoother connections
Fairer competition with Star Alliance and SkyTeam, providing bigger choice of fares and routings for transfer passengers based in UK and overseas
BA codeshares to 122 new destinations with through ticketing, through baggage and reciprocal frequent-flier benefits
More flexible and more geographically-extensive flight packages for corporate customers
Greater ability to withstand current industry crisis and provide quality services and value-for-money fares in the future
It is also mentioned that Finnair and Royal jordanian are part of the application.
Also mentioned was that this was completely seperate to the merger with IB due to current ownership regulations in the US
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9847 times:
The LHR sots are my concern. The only route where traffic needs to be split more is JFK, I an see AA/BA giving up 3 or 4 slot pairs but no more. IF Virgin has 4 JFK flights and DElta has 3 or 4 no one has the right to complain. DL will be the likely beneficiary of any slots give aways by BA/AA.
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9666 times:
I just hope this works in reality. My experience with One World up to now is too bad, American Airlines gate agent in MIA once told me that passengers booked for connecting flights by BA are in prio behind AA stand by passengers, and his manager gave him right. BA staff confirmed that that unfortunately was daily reality, and was able to book us on LAN.
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9626 times:
Well whilst I am sure they will get it this time it will be interesting at what cost it will be to both BA and AA at LHR in terms of slots they will have to cede.
I am just waiting for the official response from VS who will seriously start throwing their toys out the pram...........will we see slogans down the side of VS aircraft again...ala "No Way BA/AA".......it would not surprise me.
Contrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9629 times:
I just got this from AA. I hope this means I can fly BA from IAD to LGW on AAdvantage miles:
More Choices Connecting You To The World
August 14, 2008
I want to thank you for your support of American Airlines and share some exciting news. Today American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia signed a Joint Business Agreement (JBA) to cooperate on flights between North America and Europe, and announced that we plan to expand our global cooperation. Though our three airlines will continue to operate as separate legal entities – with our own fleets, employees and brands – we will cooperate more closely to improve travel choices, offer more convenient schedules and give customers more opportunities to earn and redeem frequent flyer miles.
Today's announcement represents good news for travelers. Our customers will be able to travel more easily on a oneworld network that includes nearly 9,000 daily departures to 663 destinations in 134 countries via flight schedules that will be coordinated to deliver more conveniences and choices. As an example, here in the U.S., customers and communities will gain improved access to 207 new international destinations just by our ability to link our networks.
We also plan to expand our codesharing and offer combinable fares, allowing customers to choose from multiple routings across the entire oneworld network rather than just those flights marketed individually by each airline. This will also allow us to offer our customers and communities greater access to more competitive fares and ultimately the ability to fly on new and expanded routes.
As a result, you'll have greater opportunities to earn and redeem your American Airlines AAdvantage miles on each airline's transatlantic flights. Reciprocal lounge access with British Airways, Iberia and other oneworld members will continue as it is today – however, with an expanded network and more codesharing choices, customers will have more opportunities to take advantage of this valuable benefit.
As a key first step, our three airlines – along with Finnair and Royal Jordanian, our transatlantic partners in the oneworld global alliance – plan to apply today with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to receive global antitrust immunity. This will not only help us work together more closely for the benefit of our customers, employees and shareholders, but will also allow the oneworld alliance to compete more effectively with SkyTeam and the Star Alliance, which already enjoy broad immunity among their global air alliance members.
Although these changes, if approved, will take some time to be implemented, we will be in touch as new information becomes available. In the meantime, please visit www.aa.com for more information.
We hope that you are excited about the great benefits and choices that will take place from this proposed relationship. We will keep you posted on the latest developments. Again, I want to thank you for flying American Airlines.
Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9547 times:
Not sure I like this, if I book a flight on ba.com then I want to be on a BA plane not Iberia or American, also the more airlines club together like this the less competition there will be which hurts consumers but as long as the shareholders are happy who cares about poor old passengers.
Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9499 times:
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 10): Not sure I like this, if I book a flight on ba.com then I want to be on a BA plane not Iberia or American, also the more airlines club together like this the less competition there will be which hurts consumers but as long as the shareholders are happy who cares about poor old passengers
How do you think those of us that are loyal to KLM feel when in the USA the KLM flights and booking are all handled by Northwest Airlines...
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9296 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8): Well whilst I am sure they will get it this time it will be interesting at what cost it will be to both BA and AA at LHR in terms of slots they will have to cede.
They shouldn't seed any slots. All othera alliances had it easy. And if VS wants to compete more, they should buy aircraft or slots or cacal one or 2 services to HKG, JNB or LOS and start its own services to JFK, IAH or DFW....
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 10): Not sure I like this, if I book a flight on ba.com then I want to be on a BA plane not Iberia or American, also the more airlines club together like this the less competition there will be which hurts consumers but as long as the shareholders are happy who cares about poor old passengers.
I'm pretty sure that you will be able to tell which airline you will be flying on. Its a legal obligation to tell you whether the flight is operated by BA or one of their partners. Take the BA flights to spain that are operated by IB. When booking on ba.com it will make you well aware that the flight is operated by IB
Exaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9077 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3): The LHR sots are my concern. The only route where traffic needs to be split more is JFK, I an see AA/BA giving up 3 or 4 slot pairs but no more
Its Open Skies, they dont need to give up anything. Even if they gave up slots they cant be forced to give up frequency on LHR-JFK.
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11): I just wonder whetehr they'll "have to" drop MAN-ORD.
1. Since both BA and AA dont fly that route why would AA have to drop it?
2. In Open Skies you cant force an airline to drop a route. Slots maybe given up, but given the poor performance of LHR with all the extra capcity it isnt like DL/CO/NW/US are begging for new LHR frequencies.
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9024 times:
Not sure how long this process will take but in my ideal world travelling on Star carriers, LH will now buy BD, in doing so will also gain slots that BA/AA have to give up to competition and then BD will start flying LHR-JFK on their metal on wide bodies they have got from LH, thus they can maintain their full schedule at LHR......Thats my dream scenario......never going to happen like that I know but we can all dream!!!
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9013 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8): I am just waiting for the official response from VS who will seriously start throwing their toys out the pram...........will we see slogans down the side of VS aircraft again...ala "No Way BA/AA".......it would not surprise me.
Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 18): So, will VS paint "No Way BA/AA/IB!" on their planes, similar to what they did in the late '90s when BA & AA tried to form a partnership?
The official response from Virgin's stable can be found here
Quote: Virgin Atlantic today warned that BA’s third attempt to tie-up with American Airlines would create a monster monopoly that would push up ticket prices and substantially reduce competition on the busiest air corridor in the world.
No more a monster monopoly than AF/KL/DL and NW.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Well US was mentioning that their PHL-LHR was well below expectations. It is simple economics. When you open up LHR, you cannot expect that the new capacity will perform as well as the previously existing capacity.
: What about Crappy Hub Airways? LHR, MAD, MIA, is there a worse combination of hubs?
: Interesting, it has taken them quite a while to get this agreed has it not?
27 AIR MALTA
: If BD needs all this help to operate a LHR-JFK, they might as well go bust... BD has enough slots and aircraft to operate any routes it needs without
: Does this mean IB might start a MAD-DFW flight? Also, will their Mileage Programs be consolidated into one?
: The reason for adding the "?" to the thread title was because, reading the article, it seems that while the airlines have reached agreement between t
: Hopefully this won't result in every BA flight at LHR having 5 different flight numbers, and hopelessly cluttering up the departure boards as a result
: Extremely unlikely, but AA likely will, IMO. It also means, IMO, that once this gets into full gear AA and BA will likely end duplications on BOS-LHR
: Oh don't go all pro BA on me......mine was a light hearted comment..calm down
: As far as I know, DL,Co and NW are meeting or exceeding expectations. They were already in the London market flying to LGW so it is not as if it were