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ThomsonFly/First Choice Airways - Cuts In Fleet  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3013 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

In an article on the travel industry website Travelmole.com, TUI group have revealled First Choice Airways and ThomsonFly will see quite a substantial cut in their fleets...

They have revealled from Winter 08/09 will see six aircrafts leaving the fleet and this will increase to 11 aircraft in time for the Summer 09 programme.

It does not give exact details of where the cuts are taking place but confirms a 767 will be leaving the fleet, with all the 762's already retired I am assuming they are referring to a 763. I wonder if the remaining aircraft will be the older 737-300/500's leaving...

Especially as the airline tries to refocus itself away from the LCC market back to the charter business.

Here is an extract from the article:

TUI Travel is to cut summer 2009 capacity in the UK by 15% and by 21% this winter.

The operator is to take 11 aircraft out of the flying programme for next summer and reduce winter flying by six aircraft.

This includes a Boeing 767 been removed from next summer's long haul flying programme following a "slight switch" in demand for medium haul destinations.

The moves are being made despite the merged TUI/First Choice company describing early sales for next summer as "starting positively" with selling prices up by 12%.


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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

well with regards to the 767, AFAIK at least one 762 is still flying so I would suspect this would be the aircraft first on the list to beremoved from the fleet.

they are not renewing the leases on the Airbuses and 737 classic so they will probably be leaving in the next few years as the leases expire.


User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 975 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Wonder if that means one of those 767's will head across the pond for Skyservice / Signature flying????? There has been talk of this for a while in regards to a 767 doing the portugal flying


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6366 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
with all the 762's already retired

Thomsonfly still have two 767-200s in service. One operates it's own, albeit rather thin schedule from Gatwick, with flights to Las Palmas, Antalya, Dalaman, Mahon and Paphos. The other operates as a back-up aircraft, and covers for aircraft when they become unavailable both for Thomsonfly and for other airlines (recently operated for Monarch and BMI Baby, to name a couple).

Seems a little strange cutting back capacity, while demand for these flights has been fairly stable. In fact, Thomas Cook and Thomson, who are both cutting back next year, have reported an increase in sales of package holidays this year compared to last. It seems that more and more tour operators are simply doing what most other industries in the UK seem to have done - outsourcing to foreign companies. Onur Air are currently operating 18 flights a week to Gatwick, having operated just 10 a week last year.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

The two 762s were supposed to have transferred to Silverjet before they went bust. So I assume that Thomsonfly have decided to use them for the busy Summer season, and what happens after that remains to be seen.

Thomsonfly are also due to have a few 733s leave the fleet next year once the three outstanding 738s are delivered, and a few 757s will be going the same way. All of the 735s have now left the fleet.

As for the First Choice side of things it would appear that the A320/321s will be leaving the fleet during the course of the winter season.

Sources...
http://jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/thomsonfly.htm
http://jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/first_choice.htm

Once the fleet cuts have been made it will leave FCA/TOM with a simpler fleet, and it wouldn't surprise me much if the credit crunch has had anything to do with the amount of aircraft leaving in a short space of time.


User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Does anyone know yet what the long-haul product will be on the merged FCA/TOM 763 fleet?

I think the premium product they offer doesn't really differ much between FCA and TOM but in the back FCA run a 2-3-2 config whilst TOM is 2-4-2. Would be nice for TOM to adopt the FCA cabin layout but somehow I just can't see it.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5978 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
have reported an increase in sales of package holidays this year compared to last.

They have to say that now or their shareholders do a runner, and pretty smartish! By the time the actual figures are out everyone has forgotten.

What we will see this year (despite these fantastic holiday sales) is a lot of flight consolidation and the release of non guaranteed beds. On the surface all looks rosy...and shh! no one will ever know. By taking out seats / beds from the market u can raise ur prices.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5785 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
It seems that more and more tour operators are simply doing what most other industries in the UK seem to have done - outsourcing to foreign companies. Onur Air are currently operating 18 flights a week to Gatwick, having operated just 10 a week last year.

Not in the case of TUI though, almost all flights from their bases will be operated by TOM next summer, and the number of flights at non bases are being cut



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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1803 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5710 times:

Source for fleet withdrawals: Jethros

The combined airline's fleet should look like this at the end of 2009. 14 aircraft left, 3 new delivered. Total = 11 leaving (9x Airbus, 3x 737, 2x 757). Does this mean now that the 767-200's are not leaving?

Quote:

G-THOE 26313/2704 Boeing 737-3Q8 Thomson Airlines
G-THOF 26314/2707 Boeing 737-3Q8 Thomson Airlines
G-THOG 29057/2942 Boeing 737-31S Thomson Airlines
G-THOH 29058/2946 Boeing 737-31S Thomson Airlines
G-THOL 28594/3107 Boeing 737-36N Thomson Airlines
G-THON 28596/3112 Boeing 737-36N Thomson Airlines
G-THOO 29335/3094 Boeing 737-33V(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-THOP 28740/3003 Boeing 737-3U3 Thomson Airlines

G-CDZH 28227/452 Boeing 737-804 Thomson Airlines
G-CDZI 28229/478 Boeing 737-804 Thomson Airlines
G-CDZL 30465/502 Boeing 737-804 Thomson Airlines
G-CDZM 30466/505 Boeing 737-804 Thomson Airlines
G-FDZA 35134/2152 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZB 35131/2242 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZD 35132/2276 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZE 35137/2482 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZF 35138/2499 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZG 35139/2538 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZJ 34690/2184 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZO 34691/2246 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G-FDZP 34692/2249 Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines
G- Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines On order. Due Jan 09
G- Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines On order. Due Feb 09
G- Boeing 737-8K5(WL) Thomson Airlines On order. Due Feb 09

G-BYAD 26963 / 450 Boeing 757-204/ER Thomson Airlines
G-BYAE 26964 / 452 Boeing 757-204/ER Thomson Airlines
G-BYAH 26966 / 520 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAI 26967 / 522 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAL 25626 / 549 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAO 27235 / 598 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAP 27236 / 600 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAS 27238 / 604 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAT 27208 / 606 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAW 27234 / 663 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAX 28834 / 850 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-BYAY 28836 / 861 Boeing 757-204 Thomson Airlines
G-CPEP 25268 / 400 Boeing 757-2Y0 Thomson Airlines
G-CPEU 29941 / 864 Boeing 757-236 Thomson Airlines
G-CPEV 29943 / 871 Boeing 757-236 Thomson Airlines
G-OOBA 32446 / 950 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
(G-OOBB) 32447 / 951 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
G-OOBC 33098 / 1026 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
G-OOBD 33099 / 1028 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
G-OOBE 33100 / 1029 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
G-OOBF 33101 / 1041 Boeing 757-28A Thomson Airlines
G-OOBG 29942 / 867 Boeing 757-236 Thomson Airlines
G-OOBH 29944 / 872 Boeing 757-236 Thomson Airlines
G-OOBI 27146 / 551 Boeing 757-2B7 Thomson Airlines
G-OOBJ 27147 / 552 Boeing 757-2B7 Thomson Airlines
G-OOOX 26158 / 506 Boeing 757-2Y0 Thomson Airlines
G-OOOZ 25593 / 466 Boeing 757-236 Thomson Airlines

G-BYAA 25058 / 362 Boeing 767-204/ER Thomson Airlines
G-BYAB 25139 / 373 Boeing 767-204/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYD 28042 / 649 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYE 28979 / 691 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYF 28208 / 705 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYG 28883 / 733 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYH 28884 / 737 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYI 29138 / 783 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OBYJ 29384 / 784 Boeing 767-304/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OOBK 27392/568 Boeing 767-324/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OOBM 27568/593 Boeing 767-324/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OOBL 27393/571 Boeing 767-324/ER Thomson Airlines
G-PJLO 26064/438 Boeing 767-35E/ER Thomson Airlines
G-DBLA 26063/434 Boeing 767-35E/ER Thomson Airlines
G-OOAN 26256/484 Boeing 767-39H/ER Thomson Airlines

bmi.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5586 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
This includes a Boeing 767 been removed from next summer's long haul flying programme following a "slight switch" in demand for medium haul destinations.

Why are we all jumping the gun and assuming this means a 767 is going? It could mean that it's being moved from longhaul to mediumhaul operations? I know there's been a huge increase in demand for Turkey next year, and even moreso and especially for Egypt! It would make sense to have a 767 operating LGW/MAN - DLM/BJV/SSH/LXR then the odd shorthaul routes, maybe LPA/PMI.



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User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5499 times:

Thomson Airways will look something like this:

Total fleet of 65 aircraft - 6x B737-300, 16x B737-800, 25x B757-200, 5x A320-200, 5x B767-300/ER (328Y - short haul), 6x B767-300/ER (ex FCA, 63P, 195Y - long haul/258) and 2x B767-300/ER (ex TOM, 42P, 241Y - long haul/283). Overall, 10 aircraft are leaving the fleet and two being added (737-800). Both airlines, but now Thomson Airways have Boeing 787's on order with the FCA order due starting May 2009. However, there are lengthy delays on 787 production so may not arrive until 2010. Standby aircraft will be 2x B757-200 and 1 B767-300/ER (328Y), but could also operate long haul rescue flights if needed. Aircraft bases:

BOH= 1x B737-300
CVT= 2x B737-300
DSA= 2x B737-300, 1x B737-800
EXT= 1x A320-200
BFS= 1x A320-200 (operated by Skyservice, either C-GTDG [G-OOPP] or C-GTDH [G-OOPT])
DUB= 1x A320-200 (operated by Skyservice, either C-GTDG [G-OOPP] or C-GTDH [G-OOPT])
STN= 2x B737-800
CWL= 1x B737-800, 1x B757-200
NCL= 1x B737-800, 2x B757-200, B767-300/ER on certain days
GLA= 2x B757-200, B767-300/ER on certain days
BHX= 5x B757-200, B767-300/ER on certain days
BRS= 2x B757-200, B767=300/ER on certain days
EMA= 2x B737-800, 1x B757-200, B767-300/ER on certain days
LTN= 1x B737-300, 1x B737-800, 1x B757-200
MAN= 3x B737-800, 3x B757-200, 2x A320-200, 2x B767-300/ER (258), 1x B767-300/ER (283), 3x B767-300/ER (328)
LGW= 5x B737-800, 6x B757-200, 2x B767-300/ER (258), 1x B767-300/ER (283), 1x B767-300/ER (328)

Notice FCA A321's are leaving the fleet completely

Of the FCA 767s, two each will be based at Gatwick and Manchester, with the other two operating the regional longhaul from Bristol, Newcastle, East Midlands, Glasgow and Birmingham. One each of the remaining TOM 767s (328) will be based at MAN and LGW.

Darren



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5430 times:
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Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 10):
Notice FCA A321's are leaving the fleet completely

Why are A320/A321s leaving? Is the fleet so small compared to the Boeing fleet, so that the economics are against it?

I thought A320/A321 were perfect for charter carriers...?



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5423 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 11):
I thought A320/A321 were perfect for charter carriers...?

Not as good if most of the fleet is Boeing, with loads more Boeings coming in  Smile

They'll easily find another carrier anyway - Monarch perhaps?



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5393 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):
They'll easily find another carrier anyway - Monarch perhaps?

Monarch probably won't be interested in the ex-FCA A321s as they are -211s, whereas Monarch's A321s are -231s, and that means different engines. Plus the ex-GT A321s will soon be on the market and they are all A321-231s.

The A320s would fit into Monarch's fleet better engine-wise but when was the last time they acquired an A320?

JARGON
-211 - CFM56-5A4 or -5A4/F engines
-231 - IAE V2500-A1 engines


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5376 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 13):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):
They'll easily find another carrier anyway - Monarch perhaps?

Monarch probably won't be interested in the ex-FCA A321s as they are -211s, whereas Monarch's A321s are -231s, and that means different engines. Plus the ex-GT A321s will soon be on the market and they are all A321-231s.

The A320s would fit into Monarch's fleet better engine-wise but when was the last time they acquired an A320?

JARGON
-211 - CFM56-5A4 or -5A4/F engines
-231 - IAE V2500-A1 engines

Thanks for sharing  duck 



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5202 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 3):
Thomsonfly still have two 767-200s in service. One operates it's own, albeit rather thin schedule from Gatwick, with flights to Las Palmas, Antalya, Dalaman, Mahon and Paphos.

G-BYAA B762 has departed LGW this evening (30 min or so ago) on TOM691B to LPA. So, presumably, it is currently the LGW based aircraft flying the TOM schedules.



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User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

The 762's are operating charters for Monarch as well as TOM's schedule at the moment. MON had an A300B4 out of action for a few weeks a few weeks back for maintenance, the 762's covered for it. G-BYAB operated MON8962/3 this evening.

Darren



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5175 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 15):
G-BYAA B762 has departed LGW this evening (30 min or so ago) on TOM691B to LPA. So, presumably, it is currently the LGW based aircraft flying the TOM schedules.

It has been BYAB until today, however that has been covering for Monarch so BYAA came down to operate the Thomsonfly schedule. Incidently, the Paphos and Las Palmas flights that the 767-200 operates on Saturdays were originally scheduled to be operated by the 757-200, but were changed for the high season due to an increase in demand, so every Saturday there is a 757-200 sitting idle at Gatwick. Once Silverjet went bust, Thomsonfly were able to keep the 767-200s enabling them to bring in a few additional flights for the Summer season (Las Palmas on Monday, Tenerife on Tuesday, Dalaman on Thursday, Zakynthos on Friday and Paphos on Sunday).

They are certainly useful aircraft to hang on to, just as XL have done. In high density configuration they can provide extra capacity where needed, and as a backup aircraft can cover for almost every aircraft in the fleet.


User currently offlineTuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

I cant wait to see what the new thomson airways livery looks like. But i have a feeling i may be very disappointed.

User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4899 times:



Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 18):
I cant wait to see what the new thomson airways livery looks like. But i have a feeling i may be very disappointed

Having a guess, pretty much as Thomsonfly looks now minus the 'fly' plus 'Airways'
It'll be a shame to see the FCA livery go IMO, much prefer it but hey ho


User currently offlineSTNDEICER From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

They'll easily find another carrier anyway - Monarch perhaps?

would Thomas Cook take the A321's? They use A321-211's and they gained former FCA G-OOAF when they acquired Mytravel


User currently offlinePictureThis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

I can see the 757s being slowly replaced by 738s to be honest which I find quite strange because aren't they reliable and theres the loss of capacity?

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Especially as the airline tries to refocus itself away from the LCC market back to the charter business.

It's interesting how they are looking to take the focus away from LCC to Charter again. Its like a role reversal! Mind you Thomson have been indecisive since about 2002. Then again there is the First Choice influence to consider as they never had a low cost operation.

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 10):
Notice FCA A321's are leaving the fleet completely

Hardly surprising really, and i'm not surprised its going to be a Boeing dominated fleet which is quite a shame to be honest, but I guess its just not economical to have Airbus in there.

I do like the FCA A321s (well I haven't been on any other type in their fleet so), I will be keeping an eye on where they go. Probably some other Charter carrier in Europe or something totally different. G-OOAI ended up with Aigle Azur doing Charter flights so probably the same future for the others.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4797 times:



Quoting STNDEICER (Reply 20):
would Thomas Cook take the A321's? They use A321-211's and they gained former FCA G-OOAF when they acquired Mytravel

That's what I was thinking, also baring in mind they are cutting three aircraft (2x A320, 1x 757) out of their fleet for next Summer, the A321s would be an ideal replacement. But I doubt it, all the charter airlines in the UK seem to be cutting back, despite what the market dictates. At the end of the day, the fewer holidays they offer, the more they can charge for them - and they can cover it up by blaming high oil prices and the strong euro.


User currently offlinePictureThis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4643 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
and they can cover it up by blaming high oil prices and the strong euro.

Haha thats quite funny, they certainly know how to operate a business.



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