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AA Buys 26 More B737-800  
User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Just saw this...

NEW YORK (Reuters) - American Airlines said on Thursday it finalized a deal to buy 26 of Boeing Co's (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) single-aisle 737 planes, worth about $1.9 billion at list prices, as the U.S. No. 1 air carrier looks to update its aging fleet of planes.

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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Very cool...

They'll soon have the 1st all wingletted fleets in the business well they may not become the 1st but close..lol.

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

So that means 40 spare MD80 by 2010.

If the oil price continues to ease they should find buyers.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7174 times:
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So after all teh 737-800 orders, how many does AA have on order ?

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 2):
So that means 40 spare MD80 by 2010.

If the oil price continues to ease they should find buyers.

I am afraid that MD's days are over. Most of them will be parked and then parted.


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

They need this, whilst there is a bit of a break from high fuel prices, they need to get rid of some of those MD 80's.


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7089 times:



Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
I am afraid that MD's days are over. Most of them will be parked and then parted.

Ever heard of Allegiant?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9828 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7043 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
I am afraid that MD's days are over. Most of them will be parked and then parted.

Ever heard of Allegiant?

The MD80s that AA is getting rid of are some of the oldest in the world. AS has been disposing of MD80s that are as young as 11 years old compared to planes that are over 25 years old coming from AA. The AA ones likely will be sent to the desert to never fly again.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

AA still has a long way to go, they have over 300 MD-80s still in the fleet.


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User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7012 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
Ever heard of Allegiant?

American has over 300 MD80s. Allegiant will never have a need for nearly this many.

It is good news for Allegiant, though. As more MD80s get retired, cheaper they become. As NW has proven, these airframes can last for many more decades.

[Edited 2008-08-15 09:32:00]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7012 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
Allegiant

Allegiant currently has some MD-83s that are over 20 years old, from BWIA.


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Ya, G4 recently purchased one of AA's first MD-80's a couple months back. There was a posting on it on here.

Chris



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6946 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
The MD80s that AA is getting rid of are some of the oldest in the world. AS has been disposing of MD80s that are as young as 11 years old compared to planes that are over 25 years old coming from AA. The AA ones likely will be sent to the desert to never fly again.

So? NW has shown what good maintenance can do for an aircraft. Most of the well-taken-care-of ones will find buyers around the world.


User currently offlineAluminumtubing From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6946 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
So after all teh 737-800 orders, how many does AA have on order ?

I believe it was 70 ordered for 09 and 2010 delivery. This would make it 96, but I don't know exactly when the additional 26 are due to be delivered. I heard at the Flight Academy that initially we were to take 1 737 every 10 days starting in January. I don't know how the additional 26 will fit it. This is not confirmed, just what I heard while in training.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6751 times:



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 12):
So? NW has shown what good maintenance can do for an aircraft. Most of the well-taken-care-of ones will find buyers around the world.

Sorry, but I just don't get what you are basing your opinion on.

Currently, CO has 30 in storage, Spirit has 16 in storage, Midwest has said they will take their 12 copies out of service, American itself has 62 copies in storage at Roswell, Alaska has 19 in storage mostly in VCV. MD-80s have become the full-size SUVs of the airlines.

These belligerent dogmatic statements of yours are not very helpful. If you believe the MD-80s are going to sell to other airlines, give the names of the airlines so we can all be informed.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6732 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 14):
If you believe the MD-80s are going to sell to other airlines, give the names of the airlines so we can all be informed.

Insel Air, Surinam Airways, and Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela may show an interest in obtaining some MD-80s.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6733 times:



Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
I am afraid that MD's days are over. Most of them will be parked and then parted.

Some will get turned into beer cans. Others will find life at smaller airlines that don't have the cash to buy a new fleet of 737 or A320. The MD-80's that AA will be retiring are solid aircraft that have been well maintained. Yes, they need a bit more TLC than a new 737. That's true with any aircraft with a lot of hours and cycles.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5794 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6650 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 14):
Currently, CO has 30 in storage, Spirit has 16 in storage, Midwest has said they will take their 12 copies out of service, American itself has 62 copies in storage at Roswell, Alaska has 19 in storage mostly in VCV.

Wow, that's upwards of 140 copies cooling their heels. Not good. And with AA still having hundreds more to go on the market in the next several years (5-7, I don't know), it will only create more of a glut.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
Insel Air, Surinam Airways, and Aeropostal Alas de Venezuela may show an interest in obtaining some MD-80s.

I think Eghansen would agree that some will find buyers, but just not the hundreds that will be coming onto the market. I would guess 30-40 may be placed in the near term, but that's a wild guess. But I can't imagine you'll here of airline X buying 50-60 copies and placing them into service anytime soon.

I wouldn't mind being wrong, though.

-Dave



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6553 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 14):
These belligerent dogmatic statements of yours are not very helpful. If you believe the MD-80s are going to sell to other airlines, give the names of the airlines so we can all be informed.

There's no need to be nasty because I don't agree with what you've said. And tell me, where else have I said something "belligerent and dogmatic?" It's possible airlines don't want the frames that have been sitting in the desert for months or years - it's expensive to put them back into service. Better to just get them straight from the supplier - in this case, AA - and do it on the cheap. Next time someone disagrees with you on something purely hypothetical and speculative, don't act like a child. Agree to disagree.


User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6388 times:



Quoting Aluminumtubing (Reply 13):
I believe it was 70 ordered for 09 and 2010 delivery. This would make it 96, but I don't know exactly when the additional 26 are due to be delivered. I heard at the Flight Academy that initially we were to take 1 737 every 10 days starting in January. I don't know how the additional 26 will fit it. This is not confirmed, just what I heard while in training.

If they spread out the additional 26 a/c it would work out to 1 new aircraft every 7.6 days for two years. Thats pretty awesome to imagine!



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6244 times:



Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 19):

If they spread out the additional 26 a/c it would work out to 1 new aircraft every 7.6 days for two years. Thats pretty awesome to imagine!

Well thats right on par with CO and WN for aircraft deliveries. Pretty neat to see new a/c for AA. However, I will miss the Mad Dog when they get rid of them.

Hunter



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5965 times:



Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 19):
If they spread out the additional 26 a/c it would work out to 1 new aircraft every 7.6 days for two years. Thats pretty awesome to imagine!

It's pretty similar to the delivery schedule US used for their first order of A32X aircraft.



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User currently offlineCatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

There are probably some airlines in developing countries that could see the MD80's as upgrades to 732's and 722's that are even older and less efficient. As the old saying goes "One mans trash is another mans treasure!" But, there will also be a pretty good quantity of 733's available on the used market as well from CO and UA.

User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5549 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 10):
Allegiant currently has some MD-83s that are over 20 years old, from BWIA

Have they ever purchased a new aircraft?
I'm not too keen on an airline that basically is buying aircraft that others thought were at the end of their economic life...


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5389 times:
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Quoting Catdaddy63 (Reply 22):
There are probably some airlines in developing countries that could see the MD80's as upgrades to 732's and 722's that are even older and less efficient.

732's are more efficient than an MD-80 on short hops. MTOW (-200Adv) empty 72,100lbm vs. MD-82 78,421. Yes, the MD-82 has a higher bypass engine, but there isn't a real efficiency advantage.
722's are not possible to make money on.


None of these airframes are viable with oil above $70 to $80/bbl. Not with airfares declining. The only market is one where you need to use an airframe where a hull loss is too likely (war zone).

An MD-80 uses about 25% more fuel per mission than a 738. When fuel was 10% to 20% of the mission cost, it paid to use a depreciated airframe. Now that fuel is closer to 40% of operating costs... the fuel savings on a 738 *almost* pays for the lease. When you consider the maintenance holiday of a new airframe... its become cheaper, per flight, to fly a new 738 than a paid off MD-80. Its not going to be worth doing a D-check on too many aircraft.  Sad

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25 STT757 : I read in CO's fleet plan released a couple months back that they stated the 737-800 was "30%" more fuel efficient than the MD-80, and "50%" more fue
26 Cloudy : Why so? There is no safety concern as long as they are maintained to spec. Comfort depends mostly on which and how many seats are put in - it has lit
27 KPHXFlyer : Is that really true? WN and CO get new aircraft every 7 to 10 days???
28 AAR90 : From the AA press release: American now has committed to take delivery of 36 737 aircraft in 2009 and 40 in 2010. The total of 76 737-800 deliveries
29 Brucek : I know that MD-80's are a lot more fuel inefficient than the likes of the B73NG. Is the fuel inefficiency factor greater on shorter flights or longer
30 Flyglobal : Having to adjust the regional network I rather expect that more MD80's are retired then new 738's come into service. Lets say for 10 new 738's maybe 1
31 MoMan : That's a fairly poor guess. Not only will AA not replace 76 MD-80s, they will replace less than that. Some of these birds are going to support missio
32 Davico68 : Question to add to this discussion, just how fast can Boeing crank 737's out?
33 DTW757 : Hmmmm tell that to the countless airlines who operated the 727 for more than 30 years. It is possible to make money with any aircraft. The fare needs
34 Lightsaber : At oil below $70/bbl, sure a 727 can make money! But OPEC is meeting to CUT production! Could WN, DL, UA, or AA make money with a 727? heck no. If th
35 Deltaflyertoo : Will the 738s have the pop down LCD monitors, or those bulky tvs hanging from the ceiling? Don't those TVs add a lot of weight? Sorry to be out in lef
36 1337Delta764 : I know they will have LCDs, although I don't know whether they will be the flip-down type below the overhead bins, or if they will simply be fixed ov
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