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Delta Waives Bag Fees For Military Personnel  
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11137

Quote:
Delta Air Lines Waives All Excess Bag Fees for Military Personnel

ATLANTA, Aug. 15, 2008 -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced that effective immediately it will waive all excess baggage fees for active military personnel traveling on orders. The fee waivers apply to baggage quantity, weight and size, allowing active servicemen and women to travel with optimum flexibility.

Good to see an airline not nickle and diming active duty folks. Granted, such fees could be reimbursed to the servicemember when claimed on their travel claims anyway.

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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Good to see an airline not nickle and diming active duty folks.

So you don't think it was shameful they had them in the first place? Considering the only reason there is a foreign ownership limitation on US airlines is because the airlines are used to transport troops, I'd say whoever failed to see this in the first place should have been fired by now.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3263 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 1):
So you don't think it was shameful they had them in the first place?

Well, in all seriousness, in the end folks on active duty were being reimbursed for excess baggage fees anyway. But yes, it was unnecessary then, just as it is unnecessary now.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

This and the UA action are just in respose to the AA thing I think!

It's great they are doing this!


User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3231 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 3):
This and the UA action are just in respose to the AA thing I think!

I saw this thread and this immediately popped in my head. UA and DL saw what a ruckus the thing with AA was and they decided to feed off the media attention.


-max



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1322 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3211 times:



Quoting AA388 (Reply 4):
I saw this thread and this immediately popped in my head. UA and DL saw what a ruckus the thing with AA was and they decided to feed off the media attention

Yup, nothing to do with being patriotic or any of the sort. But, to be honest, as a former Air Force officer I think the airlines have every right to charge the fees. I mean, they are running a business, and the military will reimburse the servicemen so I don't get the backlash they were getting from the public.

If the military doesn't want their soldiers/airmen to pay the fees then charter a flight or use a C-17. If they fly commercial then the rules should apply. Isn't that the whole purpose of free enterprise? I applaud the decision made by Delta but It would have been perfectly ok if they chose to charge the fee.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3197 times:



Quoting AA388 (Reply 4):
UA and DL saw what a ruckus the thing with AA was and they decided to feed off the media attention.

US has the same policy as UA and DL, they just haven't chosen to made a big deal about it.



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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

NW announced they are following UA and AA today.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21098 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2998 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 5):
I mean, they are running a business, and the military will reimburse the servicemen so I don't get the backlash they were getting from the public.

The backlash is that most people don't know that the military will reimburse the servicemen, and so it looks like the airlines are taking advantage of the servicemen who have no choice but to carry extra bags while moving about on duty.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2920 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 2):

But it is pain to have to do all the paperwork, some of the Lower ranks E1-E-4 maybe spending a 50.00 or more of their own money is a pain and waiting for the reimbursement could take months. Im Glad DL id doing this i just re-upped to active duty and i always request to travel on DL (which is my preferred airline)



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2835 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Good to see an airline not nickle and diming active duty folks. Granted, such fees could be reimbursed to the servicemember when claimed on their travel claims anyway.



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 1):
So you don't think it was shameful they had them in the first place? Considering the only reason there is a foreign ownership limitation on US airlines is because the airlines are used to transport troops, I'd say whoever failed to see this in the first place should have been fired by now.

You have to be kidding me right? Its called a business, just because you have a certain role in society does not entitle you to all things free. Sure they are risking their life yada yada yada...
The same rules that apply to everyone else should also apply to them!


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

You can add CO to this as well.


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2718 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 10):

You have to be kidding me right? Its called a business, just because you have a certain role in society does not entitle you to all things free. Sure they are risking their life yada yada yada...
The same rules that apply to everyone else should also apply to them!

Well, the very people you state should not be afforded any special privilege are the very same people who have guaranteed you the right to post such a patently idiotic and selfish response. The same people who provide and maintain the stable democratic enviroment that allows businesses such as airlines to be profitable in the first place.

Well done Delta!



I AM the No-spotalotacus.
User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2694 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 10):
You have to be kidding me right? Its called a business, just because you have a certain role in society does not entitle you to all things free. Sure they are risking their life yada yada yada...
The same rules that apply to everyone else should also apply to them!

So with that than you agree that you shouldnt be able to fly on another airline for free than? even if you have to get to work? Than Just because you work for an Airline doent mean your entitled to NON rev or Jump Seat in other airlines. And As you say its Buisness, The US Military Gives DL alot of buisness, it helps us military folk out and it IS a great Gesture, I dont think that the US Military is a contract DL/NW does not want to lose, so doing this helps us out in and helps keep the Contract anf relationship with the Gov't Solid



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1440 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2681 times:



Quoting WAH64D (Reply 12):
Well, the very people you state should not be afforded any special privilege are the very same people who have guaranteed you the right to post such a patently idiotic and selfish response. The same people who provide and maintain the stable democratic enviroment that allows businesses such as airlines to be profitable in the first place.

Let me remind you that these people are ALL volunteers, none have been drafted and are all paid for what they do.

Quoting Bagpipes (Reply 13):
So with that than you agree that you shouldnt be able to fly on another airline for free than? even if you have to get to work? Than Just because you work for an Airline doent mean your entitled to NON rev or Jump Seat in other airlines.

1. You can't compare apples to oranges
2. I have never used my flight benefits on another airline so I could care less.
3. The reason why crews can jumpseat on each others flights is because it creates operational advantage to all the airlines involved, all crew members can be where they need to be instead of being stuck somewhere.
4. Military personnel are regular paying passengers and should follow regular paying passenger rules. If this is the case, lets give firefighters/police/EMT all free baggage allowance as well...they serve us as well. While on that note, lets give everyone free allowance and free tickets because everyone has a role in society...blah blah blah...


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2664 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 1):
So you don't think it was shameful they had them in the first place?



Quoting WAH64D (Reply 12):

The shameful thing is thinking it is right to just dump on the airlines.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 1):
Considering the only reason there is a foreign ownership limitation on US airlines is because the airlines are used to transport troops, I'd say whoever failed to see this in the first place should have been fired by now.

People who think like one can just enslave the airlines for "patriotic" excuses are the ones who need to be fired asap.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2649 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 14):

im not comparing apples to oranges i am just trying to understand your opinion, I know how the airlines work i was a CSA till i re-enlisted. As CSA i hated charging Military the bag fees, I would like to see your opinion after you take orders and have to move from one place to another with ONE bag and very little money to your name. When all your gear (uniforms, equipment, etc...) weighs more than 50 pounds and takes up all your space. I honour your opinion and please dont hate me for bashing it. I understand the airlines are struggling especially with fuel being high, This gesture by DL is a great relief and it helps relieve some of the stress of transferring duty stations, Ive thrown and given away lots of nice stuff, even airline memeroblia and models because i could not afford the fees, Im thankful to DL and CO for this and i Know I can speak for at least 1,000+ other active duty personnel



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Why don't airlines give soldiers a big bag of gold and a bottle of whiskey on every flight. Aren't they aware of these living heroes' need for gold and whiskey? When did this become acceptable...  Confused  Confused  Confused  Confused  Confused

User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2629 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 14):

Let me remind you that these people are ALL volunteers, none have been drafted and are all paid for what they do.

Yes, and if they all had an attitude like the one coming across in your posts, you'd have the worst armed forces in the world. You don't.

Its not just a job, most people believe that what they are doing is something that makes a real difference. That difference may be to people in a far flung foreign land or it may be to the families of the service people concerned.

They don't get paid anywhere near enough for the work they are asked/required to do. Nobody does it for the money. I really don't think that a little bit of support from businesses in their home country is too much to ask.



I AM the No-spotalotacus.
User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Having just retired (just over a week ago) from 20 years of US Naval Service, all I have to say is this~

Some of you folks need to get a REAL life~ or enlist in one of the Armed Forces. Those who have not served need to do so before they start trying to talk about stuff which they do not know!!! You know who you are...

(and yes, you're welcome, BTW)



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2566 times:



Quoting AA388 (Reply 4):
I saw this thread and this immediately popped in my head. UA and DL saw what a ruckus the thing with AA was and they decided to feed off the media attention.

Yes, it's completely for PR value. Face it, it looks bad to charge these kinds of fees to military members, no matter how legitimate they might be, and it looks good to waive the fees. It's a business decision, nothing more and nothing less. If I have to pay the fee, I'll claim it on my travel voucher and the taxpayers will pay for it; so it really makes no difference to me if I have to pay it. Still, I appreciate the gesture.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 12):
Well, the very people you state should not be afforded any special privilege are the very same people who have guaranteed you the right to post such a patently idiotic and selfish response. The same people who provide and maintain the stable democratic enviroment that allows businesses such as airlines to be profitable in the first place.

Yep, my job is to defend your right to say and feel how you want, no matter how much I may agree or disagree with it.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Why don't airlines give soldiers a big bag of gold and a bottle of whiskey on every flight.

Now we're talking!



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2553 times:



Quoting WAH64D (Reply 12):
The same people who provide and maintain the stable democratic enviroment that allows businesses such as airlines to be profitable in the first place.

Huh, I thought it was because we had an open, civil democratic society, in which freedom of opinion and other good things were preserved by laws, administered by peers we elect. I wasn't aware that we were under direct attack here at home such that we required a military presence to enforce our stable democratic and commercial environment. If the military can be given an even greater presence, does that imply that my opinion would be even better protected, and that the economy will take off remarkably, providing greater affluence to all? I can't wait.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 18):
Nobody does it for the money.

Plenty of kids from West Virginia, Michigan, and Alabama do. It's a vocation as an alternative to some of the depressed economies they hail from. Many of them get a college education out of it, too. Even the fine students admitted to the Service Academies are going in order to get a top notch education, free, while paying this back with a stint of service in the armed forces. Patriotism and heroism aren't the top priorities in many cases.

Step back from your flag. It's clouding your vision.

-Rampart


User currently offlineBagpipes From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2501 times:



Quoting StudeDave (Reply 19):



Quoting WAH64D (Reply 18):

You guys were just added to my Respected users list. (BTW WAH64D, Scotland has some of the finest Soldiers in the world, I almost joined the Black watch as a piper, since most of my family has before but living in the states, it was hard to do so i was a Combat medic in the USN)

And AM1 Thank you for your Naval Service, I just re enlisted and am a YN since i cant be a HM again due to injuries) Fair Winds and following seas!



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21098 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Instead of waiving the bag charges, perhaps the airlines could send the government a bill directly rather than having the soldiers pay out of pocket and then get reimbursed. That way the airline still gets the money, but it doesn't impose on the soldiers.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 21):
Huh, I thought it was because we had an open, civil democratic society, in which freedom of opinion and other good things were preserved by laws, administered by peers we elect. I wasn't aware that we were under direct attack here at home such that we required a military presence to enforce our stable democratic and commercial environment. If the military can be given an even greater presence, does that imply that my opinion would be even better protected, and that the economy will take off remarkably, providing greater affluence to all? I can't wait.

Dude, do you have any idea what you're talking about? I'd rather keep this thread on topic, but I have to respond to such nonsense. Forgive me for the overused cliche, but "freedom is not free". I'm glad you enjoy our "open, civil democratic society, in which freedom of opinion and other good things were preserved by laws, administered by peers we elect"; it wouldn't exist if there wasn't anyone to defend it from those our presence and strength deters from attack. Don't doubt for a second that there are powers throughout the world who would love to run your life if there wasn't a force (us) to stop them. If you disagree, then write your congressman and ask him/her to disband the military; they're just going to laugh at you. Do we wait until we are under direct attack to organize, train, and equip the forces necssary to defend ourselves?

Quoting Rampart (Reply 21):
Even the fine students admitted to the Service Academies are going in order to get a top notch education, free, while paying this back with a stint of service in the armed forces. Patriotism and heroism aren't the top priorities in many cases.

Yea, sure they do.  sarcastic  How many people do you know who have ever graduated from a service academy? Many of them already have the resources (in the form of grades, scholarships, and money) that they could go to any school of their choice and owe Uncle Sam nothing. They choose to earn a commission and serve. The "free college eduation" isn't the top priority in many cases either, my friend.



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
25 Dragon6172 : Ah, freedom of speech is great. Mission Success! Sgt/USMC
26 Flynavy : No, they shouldn't. Well said! AT2/USN
27 Caspritz78 : I had the same idea. Anyway every airline employee and airline already does pay for the US military by paying taxes. So I think if anyone is to blame
28 Rampart : Yes, I do, "dude". I'll say one final word and move on: I am equally wary of the powers of the military and their potential to exert control over soc
29 Aarbee : Right on target. If DOD is reimbursing, that's where it should come from directly. Agreed. As it is being pointed out that reimbursement process is p
30 WAH64D : Agreed on the sentiment that it should be easier for US servicemen to reclaim excess baggage fees. We in the British Army have a very simple process w
31 PiedmontINT : I think this whole baggage fee waiving nonsense is getting out of hand. One person calls the press and makes a big stink and now all of a sudden it's
32 PanAm747 : FYI, Amtrak has signs up in many of its stations thanking servicemembers for their devotion, and invites them to go directly to the front of the line.
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