Bush could of at least waited until late Sunday night, this would have at least kept negotiations continuing thru the weekend, now they will probably come to a stop as the urgency from the threat of a stike is now gone.
Northwest mechanics have been waiting for 4 years to get a new contract, no let me rephase that, Northwest has screwed their employees out of a contract for 4 years cause from what I have heared they do not plan on paying the retro.
Nice job dubya, you just delayed the enevitable, the summer months are the perfect time to have a strike, now 5 times as many passengers are going to be impacted by it, maybe you should have thought of that first huh.
Just my $35/hr base minimum (2 cents)
Okay people, that is my opinion from mechanics point of view, I am not a disgruntled NWA employee and I really don't think that its fair that the passengers plans get ruined by a greedy airline CEO to get a 10 million bonus or whatever it is he'll get.
Give me your opinions from all points of view,
eg. passenger, mechanics, management, pilots
Ctbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1150 times:
I think people living in the Dakotas, Minnesota, and other small cities where Nothwest is the only airline in town are probably heaving a sigh of relief right now.
After last Summer's dispute at UA, the impending strike at NW, and threatened action at UA (again!) AA and DL, whatever the differences are between unions and management, I think the travelling public are increasingly fed up with being used as pawns. I think both Union and management need to stop blaming each other for inconvenencing customers; if both sides really cared about them this would be settled by now.
The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
Soku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1132 times:
Hate to say it but this is bound to just make the talks longer. Having so many employees unmotivated and pissed at an airlines management will never add up to anything good. Who cares if the government butts into the decision of a private union. The mechanics will still get there money somehow.....
Twotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
We all know the mechanics can disrupt and/or practically shut down the airline without having to go on strike. Slow downs and sick outs may be illegal, but pilots use them all the time when labor disputes arise, and look how well it works out for them. four and a half years of abuse by management is LONG enough, no pilot union would tolerate it. I, for one, hope they do shut NW down. Not because I am lacking in sympathy for the passengers it will hurt, but because my brothers in the trenches have a grievance and they deserve to be heard. People don't listen until you get their attention. To my boys at NW: GIVE EM HELL!!! We are all behind you
NKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
Bad move from someone who is ostensibly laissez-faire. There is now that much less incentive for NWA to bargain if they know their opponents trump card has been restricted. Some may call it continuation of the status quo; Some call it big business / gov't collusion. I agree with the latter, and add that this is the beginning of governmental wage fixing ( at the behest of a for-profit company ). I'd like to hear some of the "get the government off our backs" big business hotshots try to defend the idea that air travel is a social service. Oh well; We always knew the working class flew well below the opinion-leading elite's radar screens.
NKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (15 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1068 times:
Not a Bush bashing thread per se, But I'm not into the situational ethics thing: Bad policy is bad policy, no matter who enacts it. I in fact voted for Bush because: 1) As a conservative, I agree with most of his platform ( for the record, I'm not the least bit religious ) - and - 2) Gore would've done the same damn thing...He talks a good populist line but being an avid follower of politics for 20+ years has taught me he's more of a yuppie "save the whales" type liberal than a supporter of "Joe Lunchbox".
Murf From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1050 times:
I am siding with the employees on this one. 4 years is just rediculous.
Pres bush is totally pro big company/ rich guy, just look at who benefits from his tax cuts. Not the employee of this union. Bush is taking away the only legal leverage a union has against a company, and I think the union needs this against NWA because after 4 years of negotiations obviously the company is not taking this seriuosly other wise they would try harder to have this thing settled.
I think it would have costed less money to have solved this problem years ago than drag it out.
I read something a while ago about the CEO of Continental saying that when he took over the company, that their methods of trying to cut costs were actually costing them more money.
By offering each employee a cash incentive for reaching the top 3 for on time arrivals for that month continental employees started to work together as a team. This money saved the company millions, due to fewer cancelled flights, hotel stays for passengers, missed connections and people not reporting to work etc. Employees no longer hated coming to work for a company that used to think that they were a liability.
I think Continental also gives away cars for perfect attendence. Continental employees please correct me if I am wrong.
Anyway sorry for rambling on but I think your employees are the most important assest a company has, these people should have been taken care of first and then spend whats left on a nice aircraft order because I'm pretty sure this is an excuse that the company is using. "We have no money left we just bought a bunch of new planes. We need planes to make money" To that I say you also need happy employees to make money, or else there is work slowdowns, hense loss of money.
I think you're taking the wrong side Mr bush.
Also how can he do in 60 days what hasn't been able to be done in 4 1/2 years. He just made thinks worse as some one said before, a strike in summer is definately a bad thing.
Northwest Flyers, you might be better off making plans with other airlines just to be safe.
My opinion from a not very frequent flyers point of view.
ATL Traveller From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (15 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1037 times:
OK, first... I have to say that I'm not a fan of Bush. That said, maybe W. learned a lesson from his father's mistake. The other President Bush refused to step in to help settle the Eastern Air Lines dispute. The result: The unions struck themselves out of a job. The public got screwed as did the employees that had no gripes with the airline like the mechanics did.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4534 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (15 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
Typical Bush, only supporting the big corporation. Let the mechanics work away at minimal wages and not be allowed to complain, while the management gets bigger bonuses every year. Just look at Bush's tax cuts, they are aimed at the wealthiest percent of the US.
NRA-3B From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (15 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1015 times:
Just wondering--- What has the union leadership(?) been doing these past four(?) years? Have they had the NW management thumb on their heads, or have they been representing their constituents to the best of their ability? How does a union go so long with no contract?
Just a thought.........
I don't normally comment on union stuff, but this one looks like it has plenty of blame to go around to all sides. And so, after four years, the passengers get to take it in the shorts instead of all of these guys cleaning up their acts? Maybe that's the way Dubya looks at it.
FLY DC JETS From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (15 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1007 times:
Dubya isn't looking at anything. He doens't have the brainpower to reason or provide proper thought in the issue. He's simply following the path he's taken throughout. Schiester, the poor and middle class into voting for you, then screw them and help the rich who funded your campaign. A previous poster was correct when it was stated that it will be four LONGGGGGGG years with this guy in office. Remember about 2 years and 11 months until the New Hampshire primary. Give Bush the door in 2004.