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Concorde: # Of Years In Service With SQ And BA?  
User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Hello all

I was wondering how long has SQ operating the concorde in joint service with BA?
I forgot SQ operated the concorde as well as BA and AF.


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

SQ operated 2 round trips on the Concorde SIN-BAH-LHR before the Malaysians kicked up a fuss... So no more Concorde!  Sad

The Malaysians complained that the Concorde's loud noise was having an adverse effect on their marine life.



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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6839 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 1):
The Malaysians complained that the Concorde's loud noise was having an adverse effect on their marine life

Is this a fact or a scapegoat?



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6818 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 2):
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 1):
The Malaysians complained that the Concorde's loud noise was having an adverse effect on their marine life

Is this a fact or a scapegoat?

It is a well known fact among those who grew up with SQ (like me).



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6813 times:



Quoting Aircanada014 (Thread starter):
I was wondering how long has SQ operating the concorde in joint service with BA?

Google is your friend....

www.concordesst.com/history/events/sia.html


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6782 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 2):
Is this a fact or a scapegoat?

A fact.

The first joint BA/SQ LHR-BAH-SIN flight was on 9 December 1979.

On 13 December 1977 the Malaysian government banned Concorde from iits air space. As it is not really possible to fly into and out of SIN without entering Malaysiqn air space, that was that. So the service was discontinued after only three rotations.

However the ban was negotiated away. The three-times-weekly service was resumed on 24 January 1979. It was eventually discontinued on 2 November 1980.


User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 2):
Is this a fact or a scapegoat?

According to the article quoted above, the part you are asking about is not fact at all. It says it was camels, not marine life. Still don't know if that was scapegoat.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13216 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

The Malaysian government, had a dispute with the UK about landing rights, as well as a chippy attitude to SIA.
So any half arsed excuse they could use, they did.

On resumption of the service in 1979, there was a sharp downturn and this route suffered most.
Which is what finally killed it in 1980.

The route was also adversely affected by Saudi Arabia restricting what had been a supersonic corridor overland, on the LHR-BAH leg.
This was due to a screening in the UK, of a documentary film Death Of A Princess in 1980, about the execution, (by public beheading), of a female member of the sprawling Saudi royals, for some sexual indigestion, (naturally, any males involved were blameless).
As well as highlighting, for the first time perhaps to a British audience, other less regal aspects of the House Of Saud.

This infuriated the Saudis.


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Malaysia banned the Concorde from its airspace - even as the aircraft was flying subsonic like other airliners while in Malaysian airspace - citing adverse effects on its marine life and husbandry such as cows. Without entry via Malaysian airspace, the only other alternative would have been a southerly approach using Indonesian airspace but the latter - citing ASEAN solidarity with Malaysia (interesting because Singapore is also a founding ASEAN member) - similarly banned the Concorde.

It was interesting also because Malaysia was prepared to review the ban if the Concorde landed in Kuala Lumpur instead of Singapore.

When the service eventually resumed in 1979 (till late 1980), it was also faced with a less direct routing to avoid Southern India . . . ostensibly for "environmental reasons". As mentioned by another a.netter earlier, Saudi Arabia had similar issues with the Concorde.

A Concorde painted in SIA's livery was immortalised on a Singapore S$25 currency note . . . but it had one inaccuracy. The colours of SIA were depicted on the starboard side while on the actual aircraft, it was on the port side. Similar inaccuracies were included in visuals used in SIA's print advertisments created by Batey Ads.

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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Just to be picky Concorde was never operated by Singapore Airlines, as it was always operated with a BA flight deck crew and 50 % of the time was with a BA cabin crew and 50 %with a SA cabin crew . The aircraft remained registered in the UK and other Concordes [than the one with one side painted in SA colours] would be used on the route although if possible the SA one would be used,so at best it was a shared operation

The BA cabin crew were based in London with the SA cabin crew being based in Singapore, however the the BA flight deck crew were based in Singapore, with the crews being changed every 3 months, and very popular it was too.

Both sectors were very much near the limit of Concorde Operation especially the
Bahrain -Singapore leg, and could prove to be very interesting with the cold temperatures in the 50 to 60 thousand foot range, as the aircraft performance would improve so much that it would always reach 60,000 and the crew had to be careful that it did not zoom up past 60,000.ft In fact a special Autopilot/autothrottle mode was added to try and stop it exceeding 60,000ft and mach 2.00 in this situation.

Why did the service stop well there was the difficulty with the supersonic route over the Middle East with the route being subtly altered nearly every week in the the end. The loads were light and due to the required fuelling stop in Bahrain the time saving, now that subsonic aircraft could do the far east in one hop, was not worth paying the Concorde premium

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

According to the article...

On 24 January 1979 the service was resumed with new routings avoiding Malaysia and a recommended take-off from runway 02 at SIN to avoid flying over the Malaysian state of Johore.

How do you take off from runway 02 from Paya Lebar Airport and AVOID Malaysia????



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5503 times:



Quoting VC10 (Reply 9):
Just to be picky Concorde was never operated by Singapore Airlines, as it was always operated with a BA flight deck crew and 50 % of the time was with a BA cabin crew and 50 %with a SA cabin crew . The aircraft remained registered in the UK and other Concordes [than the one with one side painted in SA colours] would be used on the route although if possible the SA one would be used,so at best it was a shared operation

While wearing the dual BA/SQ livery this aircraft was also operated by Braniff crews on the IAD-DFW-IAD route. To comply with American legal requirements the aircraft was temporarily placed on the US register (as N94AD) for this rotation. Here is a picture of the aircraft at DFW so registered:

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When the aircraft returned to IAD it was placed back on the British register as G-N94AD (a special, non-standard, British registration). To physically implement this reregistration a tape that had been placed over the 'G-' part was removed when the aircraft was returned to BA at IAD.

Although the aircraft was flown by a Braniff flight crew for the rotation from Washington to Texas, a BA flight crew sat with the Braniff crew. This wasa to meet restrictions imposed by the insurers of the aircraft.


User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4295 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):

Although the aircraft was flown by a Braniff flight crew for the rotation from Washington to Texas, a BA flight crew sat with the Braniff crew. This wasa to meet restrictions imposed by the insurers of the aircraft.

That was only for the first 4 to 6 weeks, after that they were on their own. It was meant as a helpful gesture during the beginning of route operation

littlevc10


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3314 times:



Quoting VC10 (Reply 9):
Both sectors were very much near the limit of Concorde Operation especially the
Bahrain -Singapore leg,

Concord left BAH around 2200 on this leg, and I was working at BAH airport then. We always used to stop work to watch it disappear over the horizon with afterburners blazing at a seemingly zero rate of climb!


User currently offlineBlackProjects From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 756 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

This will help a bit .

http://www.concordesst.com/history/destinations.html


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Does anyone know if the aircraft was painted in the SQ livery while the route was suspended?

That must have been god advertising for SQ.

I found it strange that on the SQ website there is no mention,in the history section, of their Concorde operation.


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