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UA Upgrades Chicago-Sao Paulo To 772 (IATA Winter)  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6016 times:
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Just checked on Amadeus (and thanks to friends on Contato Radar in Brazil), United will be upgrading also ORD-GRU to a 777-200 during the period from Oct 25 to March 31.

Another upgrade for Brazil and UA network seems to be next winter season (summer in Brazil):

ORD-GRU Daily 772
IAD-GRU Daily 772
IAD-GIG Daily 763

Sounds like the lack of new frequencies lead to the use of bigger aircraft as well as yields to Brazil continue to be strong and promises one the best seasons ever !

Felipe


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25834 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Well there is a little more to this story then Brazil being a good market.

1) United has delayed its 777 cabin reconfigurations, but will be accelerating the 763 refits instead. To accomplish this with a new target completion for the 767 fleet by April 2009, additional planes have to pulled off the schedule, and the GRU round trip nicely free's 2 additional 763s.
2) Illinois based Motorola (one of UA's largest global accounts), has been lobbying for more capacity on ORD-GRU, one of their top traveled routes from ORD.

Lastly, I think UA is realy trying to focus on making use of its TAM partnership to provide feed and help improve its weak South America presense..



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

It's amazing what strong currency do!!

Is nice to see UA back strongly with 777s in Brazilian Market after sep-11 downgrade.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25834 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Oh, and for those wondering where this 777 "comes from", the 2nd daily SFO-FRA UA926/927 is seasonally discontinued eff October 25th.

[Edited 2008-08-17 12:36:06]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Wow, there sure has been a lot of upgrades to GRU lately. AA upgraded DFW-GRU to a 777 for good. Is this one just seasonal?


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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5842 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Oh, and for those wondering where this 777s "comes from", the 2nd daily SFO-FRA UA926/927 is seasonally discontinued eff October 25th.

Have any info about were the 763s will go for?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25834 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5838 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 5):
Have any info about were the 763s will go for?

Into maintenance to expedite the new IPTE cabin reconfigs.
Plans are now to have the entire international 767 fleet done prior to the 2009 IATA summer schedule.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5807 times:
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Hakan

Thanks for the additional info and Motorolla is doing extremely well in Jagariuna a city about 60 miles north of Sao Paulo

Felipe



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5806 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Into maintenance to expedite the new IPTE cabin reconfigs.
Plans are now to have the entire international 767 fleet done prior to the 2009 IATA summer schedule.

Thanks for the info. How are the new seats on F and C?



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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5781 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Into maintenance to expedite the new IPTE cabin reconfigs.
Plans are now to have the entire international 767 fleet done prior to the 2009 IATA summer schedule.

Thanks for the info. How are the new seats on F and C?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25834 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

Nice! Flat bad on C. With the clear tendency of most airlines renewing their Business Class with angled lie-flat seats, they will be one step ahead.


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User currently offlineMd94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

I was checking for some rates from ORD-GRU for any where from December to February and found them for no less than $1200 dollars for economy. Ouch! Even higher when I looked in February with United fares at nearly $1,700.

I hope capacity keeps going up with all airlines so the prices will drop to under $1000.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5619 times:
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Quoting Md94 (Reply 12):
I hope capacity keeps going up with all airlines so the prices will drop to under $1000.

You and thousands have the same expectation. In a couple days TAM shall announce another increase, the new GIG-JFK flight as well as some additional capacity is expected in the near future to a new destination.

Felipe



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User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

I'm possibly headed on IAD > GIG in Oct. What are the chances I'll get a new business class on the 763?

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2950 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5402 times:
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Assuming TAM does become a member of *alliance, would that impact UA's plans from US to Brazil?


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5372 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):
Assuming TAM does become a member of *alliance, would that impact UA's plans from US to Brazil?

In fact make them easier. UA hub at IAD would be the main gateway for mostly US destinations as TAM only flies nowadays to O&D markets (JFK and MIA). This could also improve their loads and yields and may be, UA can treat Brazil even better in the future (i.e. fly the 21 weekly frequencies year-round, including the IAD-GIG)



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4034 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5366 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Sounds like the lack of new frequencies lead to the use of bigger aircraft as well as yields to Brazil continue to be strong and promises one the best seasons ever !

Lack of frequencies is a strong factor but there may be something else at play: In Winter many transatlantic routes lose money. With jet fuel so expensive, those routes have become unacceptable financially. These changes of gauge may be a direct consequence of unusual seasonal weakness in the US-Europe market.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5348 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 17):
Lack of frequencies is a strong factor but there may be something else at play: In Winter many transatlantic routes lose money. With jet fuel so expensive, those routes have become unacceptable financially. These changes of gauge may be a direct consequence of unusual seasonal weakness in the US-Europe market.

Correct, but UA probably have other alternatives and as LaxIntl said, there's another factor in favor of Brazil.



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User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5348 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Wow, there sure has been a lot of upgrades to GRU lately. AA upgraded DFW-GRU to a 777 for good. Is this one just seasonal?

Dont' forget AC is upgrading their B767-300ER to B777-300ER for YYZ-GRU.. that is a huge upgrade lots of seats to offer.

Its nice to see our Star Alliance partner doing well in South America


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5315 times:
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Quoting Aircanada014 (Reply 19):
Dont' forget AC is upgrading their B767-300ER to B777-300ER for YYZ-GRU.. that is a huge upgrade lots of seats to offer.

GRU has an impressive list of upgrades for the next season:

AC to 77W from 763
SA)">AA to 3x 772 from 1x 772 + 2x 763 on MIA
SA)">AA to 772 from 763 on DFW
SA)">UA to 772 on both IAD and ORD
SA)">DL with more 3 extra flights, from 2 last year
SA to 346 from 342/343

Funny, no upgrades from Europe (in fact only a few downgrades from BA that decided to begin LHR-GIG, LH will reduce MUC-GRU to 5x weekly from Daily and AF will use the 772 instead of a 77W) except for JJ upgrades on LHR and FRA (because of the introduction of the 77W replacing M11's)



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1030 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Is DFW-GRU upgrade to 772 just temporary or perm?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5186 times:



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 21):

Is DFW-GRU upgrade to 772 just temporary or perm?

Its permanent. As of now so is DFW-EZE. I expect the later to go back to a 763 at some point though. But DFW-GRU is a 777 for good.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5182 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Its permanent. As of now so is DFW-EZE. I expect the later to go back to a 763 at some point though. But DFW-GRU is a 777 for good.

DFW-EZE-DFW will return to 763 service eventually. ORD-PEK is set to start in March.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5175 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
DFW-EZE-DFW will return to 763 service eventually. ORD-PEK is set to start in March.

I think it will too, however ORD-PEK is getting its 777's from MIA-SCL, not DFW-EZE.



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25 SCL767 : DFW-EZE-DFW simply doesn't warrant a 777 during the Southern winter. SCL will free up 2 777s; hopefully, AA will obtain good yields in F, and revenue
26 LAXdude1023 : Hey youll get no argument from me there. Niether DFW-EZE or MIA-SCL warrant a 777 during the southern winter. But I was just stateing a fact. The 777
27 SCL767 : AA usually downgrades one MIA-EZE to a 763 during the Southern winter. However, their schedule is showing 2 777 flights daily into the Southern winte
28 MAH4546 : MIA-EZE has been 2x 772 year-round for a very, very long time. There have only been two times when it was downgraded - when AA started ORD-NGO and wh
29 SCL767 : It was recently operating as one 763 and one 777 last Sept thru Nov; I know because I ended up on a 763 to EZE and it wasn't a sub, and it was also o
30 SCL767 : This is what I was thinking all along, AA said the 777 would return to CDG; it never happened. JFK/MIA-CDG deserves a 777 to compete with AF, in reta
31 Airbazar : Well, Dec-Feb is high season for the Brazil market. $1200 is not much more than what you would pay to fly to certain European destinations in July an
32 LAXdude1023 : Its already there. Starts April 7. The very same day that MIA-SCL goes back to a 763. JFK-CDG might actually get upgraded this time. I doubt MIA-CDG
33 SCL767 : DME will be gone soon. JFK will probably get the 777 to CDG. MIA will hopefully get a new route to Europe. Yes, I noticed that on their website, I th
34 United787 : This is great news! I think it will be important for product consistency for UA to be able to say that all of its 767 fleet has been upgraded!
35 LipeGIG : Would be great now that DL confirmed the 772. At least AA904/905 should be upgraded to 772. In the future, AA should think about a daylight GIG-MIA o
36 LAXdude1023 : Is DL flying the 772 to Brazil? I thought that ATL-GRU/GIG were going to be 764's. They are running really short on 777 and their usage is being stre
37 MAH4546 : Correct. My mistake, it did operate as a 763 for nine weeks in 2007 as 772s were being converted to the new C-class.
38 LipeGIG : I should say AA, my mistake !
39 JJ8080 : But in fact they are running 772 to Brazil, 2 weekly ATL-GRU right Felipe?
40 LAXdude1023 : No. They are running 10x weekly from ATL to GRU all with 764's.
41 Hardiwv : GRU will have a showdown of B777s!! Rgs @ DXB
42 Rafabozzolla : SFO? That would be cool
43 VC10er : I heard that Virgin was very eager to start Brazil flights from LHR. Is this true?
44 LipeGIG : Yes, they have a LON-GIG flight on their wish list of future destinations.
45 DeltaL1011man : They did run 2x weekly this summer with a 77E (Atlanta summer that is) on ATL-GRU. IIRC they will bring it back 2x weekly sometime this winter. (I th
46 Hardiwv : This was very old news, it seems VS dropped GIG plans. Rio was indeed in VS so called wish-list which was mentioned some time ago but no word anymore
47 Post contains links LipeGIG : Not that old Hardi. In fact the first "wish" was in 2004 but they issued a press release last year (April) by the time VS order the 787's stating tha
48 Hardiwv : Thanks for the very enlightening clarification and for keeping us updated on VS plans for GIG. I am sure BA service to GIG nonstop anticipated a poss
49 Incitatus : The UK does not require visas for many transit passengers. I'd be surprised if it requires visas for transiting Brazilians. Thus the reduction in tra
50 Hardiwv : Lets see. I forecast a bigger drop in demand because of bad publicity, which will scare many passengers. You have to note that the UK would be the ON
51 LipeGIG : I believe it's more a matter of aircraft use. NW in fact code-shares both flights from ATL to GIG and GRU. Yes, you're right but be in mind UK is les
52 Incitatus : There was a time in the past when France was the only country in Western Europe to require a visa for Brazilians. I think at the time it was a minor
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