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Kingfisher To Start BLR - LHR From Sept. 3  
User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8841 times:

Starting Sept 3


IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450 10 hrs 40 mins
IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235 10 hrs

Flights to be operated by an A330-200 daily in a 2 class configuration.


MUMBAI: Vijay Mallya-spearheaded Kingfisher Airlines, plans to launch its first international flight on September 3 with a direct Bangalore-London flight. "The countdown has begun. We are all set to fly to London from Bangalore on September 3," a Kingfisher Airlines official said.

The airline has already secured permission to fly to 13 overseas destinations. A senior DGCA official confirmed the granting of permission to the airline to conduct overseas operations. Kingfisher now plans to launch flights to the US, UK, UAE, Singapore, Thailand, Maldives, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Hong Kong.

"We are fully geared up for our London flight scheduled for September 3," the Kingfisher official said, adding schedules for the other destinations are presently being fine-tuned. Kingfisher plans to deploy an Airbus 330-200 on the Bangalore-London sector.

The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) had last month granted permission to Deccan Aviation Limited to fly to 13 countries from August 26, the day the airline would be completing the mandatory five years of domestic operations to become eligible for overseas operations.

Kingfisher and Deccan Aviation, originally promoted by Captain Gopinath, have now merged. Under normal circumstances, Kingfisher would have to wait for two more years to complete the five-year term mandatory to become eligible for overseas flying.

But now, following the merger with Deccan, the Government has allowed Kingfisher to fly overseas under both brands-Simplyfy Deccan and Kingfisher


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ntl_flight/articleshow/3372992.cms


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17516 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8779 times:



Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
Starting Sept 3

As in two weeks from now? Short booking window Wink



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8690 times:
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That KF venture is rather hard to follow.

First the AMS/KLM announcement and then LHR with a time frame of two weeks...

Strange.


FB.



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User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8660 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 2):
That KF venture is rather hard to follow.

First the AMS/KLM announcement and then LHR with a time frame of two weeks...

Strange.


FB.

1. LHR was always going to happen before AMS. IT already mentioned it several times. Demand in India is driven by LHR and not AMS.

2. 2 weeks. Welcome to the world of Indian aviation planning. Routes are announced, and everything just works out for launch.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

From the schedules mentioned above, it seems that 2 A 332s will be needed for a daily BLR-LHR service with a 20 hour ground time between flights at BLR airport. This is an un-necessary cost incurred by KF by having to ground the plane for that long.

Therefore in order to maximize the utilization of this A 332, I would hope sense prevails and KF extends this flight from BLR to SIN thus offering a same plane service from LHR to SIN via BLR.

The schedule can work out like this:

IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235
IT 101 BLR - SIN 1500 2200

IT 102 SIN - BLR 0415 0600
IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8528 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):

Wish guys who set schedules at AI, IT and 9W had competent people like you working for them

Hopefully the BLR-LHR service will work for them, only competition is BA so far.

Where do you think the next flight will go to?? I am sure US is not currently on the cards.



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Well, the convenient flight times coupled with the onboard service *may* make this a viable route if as Mr. Mallya hopes, the J class hoardes actually show up for the forseeable future and no just the initial novelty of the experience.

User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8463 times:

While the flight times are convinient (BLR-LHR very similar to BA) and there is O&D demand, the BLR-LHR is not well timed for connections from southern India, which is a shame. However, I guess they were restricted for slots which shows in the long layover in LHR.

User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):

IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235
IT 101 BLR - SIN 1500 2200

IT 102 SIN - BLR 0415 0600
IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450

Slot restrictions at SIN could be an issue. Also, does IT have the DGCA clearance for SIN?

[Edited 2008-08-18 09:10:04]

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

I really think IT should do a quick trip to SIN after it returns from LHR or they might as well to a BLR - DXB.


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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8283 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 9):
I really think IT should do a quick trip to SIN after it returns from LHR or they might as well to a BLR - DXB.

Not possible w/ 2 hr turnover at BLR. Instead, IT should use 5th freedom rights if applicable at LHR to do a LHR-AMS or LHR-CDG type of leg, since they have an obscenely long wait at LHR


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 8200 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):
Not possible w/ 2 hr turnover at BLR. Instead, IT should use 5th freedom rights if applicable at LHR to do a LHR-AMS or LHR-CDG type of leg, since they have an obscenely long wait at LHR

Did not get you. There is ample time and Behramjee also suggested a possible schedule.

The aircraft will definitely get enough rest at LHR considering its 7 hr layover over there.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

I think the utilisation will improve once yet another BOM/DEL-LHR is launched,

Here is hoping it is MAA-LHR as they do not have an Indian carrier flying non-stop to LHR.

The slots for the second one seem to be head to head against the whole pack of VS/BA/AI/9W departing in the afternoon from BOM,

Which means if they launch BOM-LHR, should be curtains for VS who are temp reducing services to 5x weekly.

Karan


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8029 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 11):
Did not get you. There is ample time and Behramjee also suggested a possible schedule.

I was under the impression that BLR-LHR was a daily flight. If its 3x, then Behramjee's schedule makes sense.


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8019 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
I was under the impression that BLR-LHR was a daily flight.

It is a daily flight and besides IT has 2 A330-200's with them as of now.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7949 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):
Not possible w/ 2 hr turnover at BLR. Instead, IT should use 5th freedom rights if applicable at LHR to do a LHR-AMS or LHR-CDG type of leg, since they have an obscenely long wait at LHR

They would then need more LHR slots. The lack of slots will probably have forced this long layover at Heathrow in the first place



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7923 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 14):
It is a daily flight and besides IT has 2 A330-200's with them as of now.

Well, then the two flights BLR-LHR and BLR-SIN (or BLR-DXB) should be thought of as two separate flights (just as Behramjee listed them) and not legs of the same flight, which is what I thought you meant in Reply 9 when you wrote:

Quoting Ojas (Reply 9):
I really think IT should do a quick trip to SIN after it returns from LHR



User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7908 times:

It will be very interesting to see how competition develops between the two carriers on this route ... anecdotal evidence suggests premium loads on BA's services to India have been dropping over the last year, possibly in connection to competition with new services offered by Jet Airways amongst others.

I'm not sure what reputation BA has for service in India, but again, anecdotal evidence suggests some Indian pax are not entirely pleased with BA service levels.


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7775 times:



Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450 10 hrs 40 mins
IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235 10 hrs

This schedule will change from Oct 26th to
IT 001 BLR 1130 - LHR 1640 .T.T..S
IT 001 BLR 1230 - LHR 1740 ....F..
IT 001 BLR 1305 - LHR 1450 M.W.S.

IT 002 LHR 2205 - BLR 1335 daily

This schedule means that aircraft is used on another route from BLR.. but to where no idea!



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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

The schedules effective Oct 26 will allow some connections from south India, as well as shortening the ground time at LHR.

As for the other route, SIN or HKG are both possibilities; HKG would be better utilisation as SIN can be flown by the A320.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7717 times:



Quoting BlrBird (Reply 18):
This schedule will change from Oct 26th to
IT 001 BLR 1130 - LHR 1640 .T.T..S
IT 001 BLR 1230 - LHR 1740 ....F..
IT 001 BLR 1305 - LHR 1450 M.W.S.

IT 002 LHR 2205 - BLR 1335 daily

With this schedule, they could do:

BLR 1600 - SIN 2300
SIN 0715 - BLR 0900

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 19):
As for the other route, SIN or HKG are both possibilities; HKG would be better utilisation as SIN can be flown by the A320.

Very true, but both SQ and 9W offers nice WB service between India and SIN.
I hope IT will do the same.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Does anyone know which terminal will be used at Heathrow?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 7177 times:



Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 20):
Very true, but both SQ and 9W offers nice WB service between India and SIN.

9W has WB operations only on BOM - SIN. DEL/MAA - SIN has gone back to the B737-800's



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User currently offlineSPR773 From India, joined Jun 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 7153 times:

All the best to KF , as they are starting when the times are tough for airlines in general. Hope it triggers off a healthy competition to all airlines on this sector....  Smile the airline travellers will stand to benefit ultimately.

User currently offlineVivekman2006 From India, joined May 2006, 540 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Finally, the schedules are loaded on the Kingfisher website and you can now book online  Smile

IT will deploy its A330-200s on the BLR-LHR route.

Here are the schedules and fare details for random dates in September:

Depart: 08:40
Arrive: 14:50
Wednesday, 10 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
Wednesday, 10 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 1
Cabin: Kingfisher / Airbus A330

Depart: 22:05
Arrive: 12:35
Monday, 15 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
Tuesday, 16 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 2
Cabin: Kingfisher / Airbus A330

The Economy Class fare is INR 43523.
1 Adult: 18730.00 +Additional Charges: 24793.00 = 43523.00 INR

For Kingfisher First:

Depart: 08:40
Arrive: 14:50
Wednesday, 10 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
Wednesday, 10 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 1
Cabin: Kingfisher First/ Airbus A330

Depart: 22:05
Arrive: 12:35
Monday, 15 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
Tuesday, 16 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 2
Cabin: Kingfisher First/ Airbus A330

1 Adult: 135000.00 +Additional Charges: 47045.00 = 182045.00 INR

- Vivek


25 Post contains links Flying Belgian : Seems like Jet Airways is to start BLR-BRU, but no info about the U.S termination city, though I'm pretty sure it will be Chicago ORD. http://airliner
26 Feroze : Since Kingfisher is not in an alliance, I would have thought T4 would be the terminal of choice in the re-organised Heathrow. Regards, F
27 Spr773 : Any idea how BA fares are on the same sector BLR-LHR ? I think with IT launching its services BA would be offering good competitive fares to LHR as t
28 Scouseflyer : Is there any news on IT taking delivery of some the nice pile of A345s that they're building up outside the Airbus factory in TLS?
29 OA260 : 1 BLR LHR 0840 1450 IT 1 J4 C4 D4 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4#330 SUBJ TO GOVT APPROVAL How long will it take to get government approval?
30 Hohd : Strange. IT waits until the last minute to announce as well as market this flight. This means that for the initial few weeks, the loads will be light.
31 BCA2005 : Correct. I saw signs for Kingfisher when I flew out of LHR T4 2 weeks ago.
32 BlrBird : Yes they will be operating out of Terminal 4.
33 Vivekman2006 : There seems to be no difference at all in Economy Class. For the same dates, here are BA's fares: 10 Sep 06:45 10 Sep 12:35 Bangalore Heathrow (Londo
34 OA260 : Spoke to a friend of mine today who works in a major Indian owned consolidator and they are getting very attractive fares in all classes for IT. I pr
35 Vivekman2006 : Yep, true. Also, IT will have their work cut out to try and lure long-time BA loyalists. This will not be easy considering their FF memberships and c
36 OA260 : I presume IT will try to attract well healed Indian businessmen from around the various large Indian communities around the catchment area. I guess i
37 Nimish : Service on board is generally very good, but the baggage handling is another matter altogether... It also works the other way - with IT loyalists (do
38 BCA2005 : While IT will provide competition to BA no doubt, we must not forget that a significant number of passenger on BA's BLR-LHR service are connecting to
39 Behramjee : Or since SIN-BLR is already a saturated route with IC & SQ competing on it, KF could instead use the long layover in BLR by sending the A 332 on a da
40 BlrBird : KF's next routes for 332 are BOM - HKG, SIN and LHR... I think we'll get a clear picture when IT publishes its winter schedule when most of its inter
41 Blrsea : Since IT has an interline agreement with BA, is it possible to book beyond LHR to N American destinations on BA? I am interested in sample fares for S
42 Behramjee : Both BOM-HKG and BOM-SIN see intense competition from CX/SQ/AI and 9W therefore KF should look at sectors which see high O&D demand year round and no
43 BlrBird : That is true but this being KF.. you never know what they are thinking!
44 Comorin : Behramjee, aren't you comparing a hypothetical future IT flight and cabin service to existing EK service? While I do hope IT does well, remember that
45 Boeing747_600 : Yes, but this would still require 2 planes if both BLR-DXB and BLR-LHR are to be daily.
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