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TAP Grounds A340 Fleet?  
User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Been 2 times last week in Lisbon and for the those 2 times 3x A340 (they have a fleet of 4) were stopped on remote positions while no A330 there. This was at around 5 PM when they were all supposed to be flying.

My conclusion: if they have A330 available they fly with them, if not then the A340 goes.
Fuel policy I presume. Comments?

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8635 times:
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Could be fuel policy. They can use the 330 to produce almost the same revenue (the only exception would be LAD because of stronger C demand) and there's space for cargo on their Brazilian and US network.


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User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

What are the differences in fuel consumption between A330-200/A340-300?
How many tons per hour on each A/C?


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8532 times:

They use the A340s to Maputo and Luanda. Those flights leave at Lisbon 2300 and 2315.

User currently offline777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

I don't know. I've been at GRU twice in the last 3 weeks and saw TAP A340's each time, in addition to TAP A330's. As I recall the 340's were to / from Lisbon and the 330's to OPO.

Needless to say, it looked to me that TAP was getting good use out of its 340's.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7870 times:
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Even to Brazil, aircraft used to both GIG and GRU varies between A330 and 340

And LIS see a lot of 330 to destinations like GIG, GRU, BSB, FOR, EWR, CCS, REC, SSA, CNF and NAT



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7769 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3):
They use the A340s to Maputo and Luanda. Those flights leave at Lisbon 2300 and 2315.

That's true, MPM, LAD, JNB are all A340 destinations so that's 2 A340's that you should see parked at LIS during the day on any given day. As for the 3rd A340, maybe it was subed by an A330 for whatever reason.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6412 times:



Quoting Dirkou (Reply 2):
What are the differences in fuel consumption between A330-200/A340-300?
How many tons per hour on each A/C?

You may find this thread helpful:
332 Vs. 343, In Terms Of Economics (by TK787 Apr 3 2007 in Civil Aviation)
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3340664



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6140 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
Could be fuel policy. They can use the 330 to produce almost the same revenue

In LHs fleet the A343s are more fuel efficient than the A333 according to their 2008 Balance report so I´m sure its true.


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4044 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
the only exception would be LAD because of stronger C demand

Felipe, why is that LAD have strong C demand?

Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
My conclusion: if they have A330 available they fly with them, if not then the A340 goes.
Fuel policy I presume. Comments?



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 6):
That's true, MPM, LAD, JNB are all A340 destinations so that's 2 A340's that you should see parked at LIS during the day on any given day. As for the 3rd A340, maybe it was subed by an A330 for whatever reason.

Agree with Airbazar, 2 343s for LAD, MPM and JNB and 2 343s for GRU and GIG. Maybe that day/week that 343 wasn't flying a specifi reason.

I don't think they would ground any widebody now that their international network is getting such good loads and the A310s are all phased out.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3762 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 9):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
the only exception would be LAD because of stronger C demand

Felipe, why is that LAD have strong C demand?

Probably oil-related traffic. Angola is a major oil producer, about 2 million barrels a day, not far behind Kuwait.


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3579 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Probably oil-related traffic. Angola is a major oil producer, about 2 million barrels a day, not far behind Kuwait.

Didn't have this info. Thanks. Very interesting. So maybe GRU-LAD by Oceanair wouldn't have performed badly.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Probably oil-related traffic. Angola is a major oil producer, about 2 million barrels a day, not far behind Kuwait.

Correct, demand from Oil Industry and also the fact Angola is one of the countries in the world with the highest growth rate in the world (on a two digit basis). Construction, Government, all helps.
Together, the plans to host the African Cup of Nations in 2010 (Soccer Continent's main competition) and a new international airport by 2012. 5 Hotels opened last year, 12 are under construction.

Quoting NA (Reply 8):
In LHs fleet the A343s are more fuel efficient than the A333 according to their 2008 Balance report so I´m sure its true.

Thanks for the input NA. Also LH is very strong in cargo, TP isn't. So the A332 should be it's best option to Brazil as they need a plane more for passengers than cargo.

[Edited 2008-08-19 18:24:15]


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2533 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 9):
Felipe, why is that LAD have strong C demand?



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Probably oil-related traffic. Angola is a major oil producer, about 2 million barrels a day, not far behind Kuwait.

It's a lot more than Oil business. There are enourmous business ties between Portugal and Angola. There are more Portuguese companies in Angola than from any other country, representing all types of sectors.


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2694 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2451 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Correct, demand from Oil Industry and also the fact Angola is one of the countries in the world with the highest growth rate in the world (on a two digit basis). Construction, Government, all helps.
Together, the plans to host the African Cup of Nations in 2010 (Soccer Continent's main competition) and a new international airport by 2012. 5 Hotels opened last year, 12 are under construction.

Yup, the country is doing very well thanks to the oil revenues that are fueling the economy and Luanda is booming with private construction and government infrastructure projects. They have a lot of activity and much to do to rebuild the country after the 15-year civil war - much of the infrastructure in place was left over from Portuguese colonial rule.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=329829&page=43

Just like Angola was for Portugal before 1975, today Angola continues to be TAP's most precious gold mine.

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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

I didn't get a close look at it, but I think the EWR-LIS flight tonight was a 340.

-Mir



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2401 times:



Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
3x A340 (they have a fleet of 4) were stopped on remote positions

Just for the record: It is the norm at LIS that bigger a/c use remote postions. Stands at the terminal (contact gates) are rare at LIS, especially for a/c the size of A310 / A330 / A340 (this goes for S4 and TP ).
-HT



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User currently offlineNjgtr82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2398 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I didn't get a close look at it, but I think the EWR-LIS flight tonight was a 340.

-Mir

Your correct, the A340 seens to come to EWR 2 or 3 times a week for TAP in the summer.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I didn't get a close look at it, but I think the EWR-LIS flight tonight was a 340.



Quoting Njgtr82 (Reply 17):
Your correct, the A340 seens to come to EWR 2 or 3 times a week for TAP in the summer.

Until October 25, TAP has scheduled to use three times a week an Airbus A340-300 on the LIS-EWR route



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
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Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 18):
Until October 25, TAP has scheduled to use three times a week an Airbus A340-300 on the LIS-EWR route

Complete schedule for A340 next month:

LIS-LAD - Daily
LIS-EWR - 3x weekly
LIS-JNB (or thru Maputo) - 5x weekly
LIS-GIG - 3x weekly
LIS-GRU - 3x weekly

Seems that 1 A343 will be out of service probably for maintenance



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