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TSA Damages 9 American Eagle Planes @ ORD  
User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27291 times:

I've didn't see this posted yet... Looks like our wonderfull friends at TSA were at work again...

Nine American Eagle airplanes were grounded Tuesday after a TSA inspector, conducting an overnight security check, used sensitive instrument probes to climb onto the parked aircraft at Chicago's O'Hare Airport,

The TSA agent, as part of spot inspection of aircraft security, climbed onto the parked aircraft using control sensors mounted on the fuselage as handholds

Full story here.. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5613502&page=1

[Edited 2008-08-19 16:38:51]

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27270 times:
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Quoting 44k (Thread starter):

 banghead  unbelievable! I would be pretty mad at the TSE as well... This can't be true...

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12214 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27245 times:
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What an idiot. Too bad the heat wasn't on...


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27224 times:



Quoting 44k (Thread starter):
.. Looks like our wonderfull friends at TSA were at work again...

Dw, he's doing SSSS searches this week  scared 



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27233 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Too bad the heat wasn't on...

THAT would've hurt... but that's what he deserves...

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User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 746 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27200 times:

Not too surprised....matter of time before this gets worse...

Andrew



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27159 times:
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Do I need to check my airplane even more now when I get to the airplane after a night stop? Do I need to check for broken parts because of the "security" staff?!

Will they go INTO the flight deck as well and do some "checks" there as well to see if everything is ok?  boggled 

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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27052 times:

Let's hear it for your T * S * A. Why let intelligence or logic get in the way of security ? One of, if not the most ill-conceived government agencies out there.


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User currently offlineNWAJettjockie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27006 times:



Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 7):
Let's hear it for your T * S * A. Why let intelligence or logic get in the way of security ? One of, if not the most ill-conceived government agencies out there.

Yeah, but at least they are getting pretty new blue shirts. Maybe that will help them. LOL  Wow!


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26953 times:

I don't know what concerns me more that this happened or that the TSA spokesperson said the agent was just following routine procedure. It's routine procedure to climb all over a multi-million dollar piece of machinery treating delicate instruments it's some sort of jungle gym?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26942 times:



Quoting 44k (Thread starter):
Looks like our wonderfull friends at TSA were at work again...

This is ONE person. One of over 50,000 employees.

I don't hear people condemning and entire airline when someone forgets to set a pin and the gear collapses or the plane tips onto it's tail. When that happens, people say "that guy is in trouble."

Which is what the proper response is here: that guy is in trouble.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26913 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
This is ONE person. One of over 50,000 employees.

Yes, you are right here. It was the mistake of just one. Problem is that the TSA has a pretty bad reputation already and those mistakes don't help to improve this reputation again.

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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26913 times:
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Why am I not surprised? Somebody better reign in these idiots, and soon! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for flightline security, but have someone who knows what the hell they are doing!


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26887 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
This is ONE person. One of over 50,000 employees.

Yet this is not the first, nor the last time the TSA will make the news for something completely dumb.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26842 times:
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Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):

that, along with what the TSA rep who states the inspector was just doing his job. Is it SOP to scale the fuselage of an a/c in an attempt to see if you can get in??? That would be news to me!!! No need to pull out your rock climbing shoes.............pull a stairs up. Airplanes dont have locks that you need to pick!!



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26842 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
I don't hear people condemning and entire airline when someone forgets to set a pin and the gear collapses or the plane tips onto it's tail. When that happens, people say "that guy is in trouble."

9 airplanes! 9!?! Not one NINE! One is an accident or mistake nine is a evidence of idiocy.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Which is what the proper response is here: that guy is in trouble.

That guy was "just following routine procedure".


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26832 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 14):

Maybe he was just doing his job. But using the TAT probe as stairs is for sure NOT an appropriate way to enter an airplane... There are many things sticking out of an airplane which are very important for the airplane. And they should not be used as something else. And for sure not as stairs...
And AFAIK the doors aren't looked. As you said: get some stairs and get into the airplane. Our aicrafts are usually sealed during nightstops. So if he opens the seal and then leaves the airplane alone, there will be a HUGE search the next morning... So as long as the seals aren't broken: you are ready to go.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9495 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26798 times:

I suggest you be cautious before ripping out on the TSA. Just be careful before using this incident to chastise the TSA. Problems with new people making mistakes happen everywhere. It happens at airlines and aircraft manufacturers. Yes the TSA has issues. We don't all respect the work of the TSA, but that doesn't mean that everyone who works for the TSA is a bad person.

I feel sorry for the person for the backlash they will receive. However, stepping on an AOA vane or a pitot static tube is not a smart thing to do anyway.

[Edited 2008-08-19 17:56:04]


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26759 times:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857098

The story over there (complete with some AA computer entries) says *14* aircraft...


User currently offlineTWA757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26645 times:



Quoting NWAJettjockie (Reply 8):
Yeah, but at least they are getting pretty new blue shirts. Maybe that will help them. LOL  

To be fair, I've seen the new shirts at DCA and they look great.  Smile


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2422 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26613 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
I don't hear people condemning and entire airline when someone forgets to set a pin and the gear collapses or the plane tips onto it's tail. When that happens, people say "that guy is in trouble."

Yea, but there is a big difference. Your example is a screw up. This is just idiotic ignorance, something that an agency that is supposed to be protecting us should be avoiding furiously.



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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26570 times:

I am one of the last people to jump on the Internet bandwagon of crying about every little news report.....

That said, how is this anything but typical of the worst response to an event in history.

Make another government agency, that will solve things!

Absolute, complete and utter fleecing of American values of freedom. Insanity to a new level every day.



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User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26478 times:

This is ridiculous. This wasn't a security check. It should be treated as an act of vandalism. Its hard enough for airlines to make money these days. I wonder how Eagle will re-coupe the revenue lost from the 40 cancelled flights? One airplane is 1 thing but 9 is quite another. The employee who did this should be severely disciplined if not fired as well as their supervisor. I know of more than one TSA location where the supervisor has "control" problems. I know we need security and I'm thankful for the people who provide it for us. However I don't think it should be the TSAs job to things like this. If they're gonna be out late at night it should be their job to watch the airplanes as well as the terminal, and if they see a security issue to take care of the problem, not add to it. During TSA training they need to talk about the conquenses of damaged airplanes and how drastically (lost revenue, subbing airplanes, messing up maintence, and the worst cancelling flights) it affects the airlines and the consumer without who the TSA wouldn't have a job to begin with.


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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26398 times:

I wonder if Eagle can get TSA to pay AA's fine to the FAA in order to right the wrong!

User currently offlineNWAJettjockie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26366 times:



Quoting TWA757 (Reply 19):
Quoting NWAJettjockie (Reply 8):
Yeah, but at least they are getting pretty new blue shirts. Maybe that will help them. LOL


To be fair, I've seen the new shirts at DCA and they look great.

LOL. I am glad you like them. You are paying for them.


25 Post contains links KAUSpilot : This is the most accurate documentary about the TSA I have seen to date: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0 Abolish the TSA.
26 HPAEAA : aww and I thought b6 was taking over security screening...
27 Cubsrule : You're making an assumption, though: that he was trained not to do what he did. Otherwise, it's more of a systemic problem.
28 N104UA : Only Check in The USA cause TSA might climb on it. Yes but so many TSA agents do things that they think will "help" the airlines but hurts they do no
29 SPREE34 : Yep. The untrained and poorly trained doing things they have no business doing. An A&P should be 1st of the qualifications for this type of activity.
30 Saxman66 : Why was he climbing on the aircraft to begin with? TSA is NOT to enter aircraft if the door is closed. They shouldn't even be touching the aircraft. T
31 FlyMeToTheMoon : The most amazing bunch of incompetents (so that I will not use words like cretins or imbeciles) ever assembled under one roof. It is unreal how incomp
32 Jgarrido : I thought they were just poorly trained interpersonal skills. Looks like their lack of training goes far deeper.
33 UPS757Pilot : Yet another reason to fly night freight!
34 AndrewUber : Yet another incident proving that the TSA does way more harm than good. The article even goes on to state: "Our inspector was following routine proced
35 AndrewUber : Actually, you hear that all the time. Just do a search on this forum for "Qantas", for example.
36 Warreng24 : Wait a second, the "Thousands Standing Around" actually DO work?
37 Brilondon : I would think that anybody doing inspections on A/C would know where to climb. Well there are 50,000 people employed that other wise would not be abl
38 Aileron11 : TSA stands for Those Stupid A$$'s, they really should be held accountably for what the y did.
39 N68TLCaptain : VERY FUNNY!
40 Wedgetail737 : How could it be possible that the TSA inspectors were following routine procedures if it breaks airplanes. What kind of an idiot is Montenegro anyway
41 AirPortugal310 : I know a local airline now installs prop locks (chains) on the props at night to "make sure" no one tries to steal a plane in the middle of the night.
42 Rwy04LGA : Forgetting a pin is the mistake of one person and not really condemnable. But the article mentioned "Our inspector was following routine procedure fo
43 Mav75 : Uhhh....let's see...I know this might burn too many brain cells for some TSA staffers, but if you thought you broke an airplane once, twice, or three
44 JBirdAV8r : Amen to that. Arrogance + Insufficient Training + Civil Service Job = Disaster. I'd sure like to know what kind of training these guys have. It's not
45 DUALRATED : I must admit I have stuck up for the TSA of late, mostly defending them from the junior terrorists, and cry baby's that have been on this site from t
46 Mir : Indeed. That would have taught him not to do that VERY quickly. I feel sorry for the decent TSA people (yes, there are some) who will have their repu
47 Jhooper : Absolutely intolerable. The individual involved should be decertified as a TSO immediately, and AA should take the TSA to federal court to claim every
48 Post contains images AndrewUber : You're right - the TSA has NO business being on the ramp.
49 RoseFlyer : I'm the type of person who will blame those who trained this individual or hired him to do this job. If he made such a bad error, I would think he di
50 Flyf15 : Not only should they be fined and fired... the TSA agents involved... the ones who actually did it, the ones backing it up, and the ones who came up w
51 RDUDDJI : Felony charges for what? Felony assumes mens rea (evil intent). Surely moronicy, is not evil intent
52 Mir : So am I, which is why I put the qualifer in there. But if he was trained not to do this but did anyway, he should take responsibility. -Mir
53 L-188 : Doesn't work that way, it is on dollar value of the damage. Which is sad because the inspector is going to hide behind the fact that he was working h
54 BWilliams : It wouldn't be a TSA thread without this being linked AT LEAST once!
55 N68TLCaptain : the EAA (experimental aircraft association) would have a field day with the TSA doing a "young eagles refresher course, TSA agents only" =D Okay boys
56 CAETravlr : Isn't there even a warning painted on the side of the airplane around these delicate pieces that they are not a step? And probably also something abou
57 L-188 : Too bad one of the pitot's hadn't had the anti-ice left on. That would have learned even the densest TSA moron quick. I think Pavloff called it "Negat
58 N104UA : I believe that it is $5000 and if it is more than that it is a felony. Some kids at a school near where I lived and slashed the bus tires and it was
59 Nucsh : This is the biggest issue here. We can whine and moan about the TSA, defend the TSA, etc, all day and night (which usually happens when stories simil
60 DTWAGENT : Who ever the TSA people had anything up in their head....
61 OHLHD : Wow whenever you think you know it all something like this happens. Is this guy personally liable for the damages or is TSA or is none of both?
62 DashTrash : Big difference when an employee trained in a certain procedure working for the company who owns an airplane bends said airplane than when a TSA inspe
63 Adam42185 : dont forget the badges...
64 Flaps : What a moron. Would it be too much to ask that the people involved in securing our aviation system at least have a clue about the equipment they are s
65 AcNDTTech : There wasn't a "No Step" placard around the TAT. JUST KIDDING!!!!! One of the first things that I learned about working around aircraft almost 30 year
66 XT6Wagon : Nope, Felony basicly means that its not jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk. And its all down to how the laws are written what happens to you. Unf
67 Jhooper : Technically, a felony is a crime punishable by at least one year behind bars.
68 Burkhard : The understanding of "security" of the current US administration and some followers abroad is more and more becoming the biggest thread to our lives.
69 Dispatchguy : Isnt damaging an aircraft involved in interstate commerce a felony? Maybe this "inspector" (Inspector Cluseau had more brains) should go to federal pr
70 Saab2000 : This story is almost unbelievable. Those who said that they should be banned from the flightline are absolutely right. I thought I had seen it all. Th
71 Jamincan : I too am rather stunned by the idiocy of this particular inspector, and the TSA as well, which I feel is certainly responsible for either directing th
72 DiscoverCSG : ... or spell or punctuate or capitalize. If the AA (or its insurer) has to pay for this, that's just wrong. The TSA/Federal Government is in the wron
73 Post contains images Luv2cattlecall : Don't foget the badges! Don't tell anyone, but I snuck a photo of the maximum offer TSA is putting on the table for AA:
74 N917me : Not as serious as damaging an aircraft, but at my airport, I can't even begin to count the number of bags that the TSA has damaged as they "throw" ..
75 KochamLOT : it seems like everyone is trying to catch AMR these days
76 WESTERN737800 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't tampering with airplanes a felony or federal offense or something to that effect? Please keep TSA OFF the ramp. It
77 Flpuck6 : What is even more frustrating is that the TSA has no reaction about damaging the aircraft. No reaction to throwing a wrench into American Eagle's sche
78 UAL757 : What an idiot!!!! I understand what they are "supposed" to be doing but I doubt fooling with a very expensive airplane is part of their job.
79 Dragon6172 : So did he get into any of the NINE aircraft? Geez, good thing they didn't have any more lined up for the overnight, the whole freakin fleet would have
80 Smcmac32msn : So you know this is a "new person"?? They just hired some idiot off the street and let him do airplane security checks on the ramp in middle of the n
81 Post contains links Dragon6172 : http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chi-tsa-20-aug20,0,6269325.story Tribune is reporting that none of the aircraft were damaged, but that inspection
82 Post contains images Radarbeam : Oh Look ....a ladder!
83 YYZYYT : I'm wondering if I was the only one here who had this thought: has this (or similar) been done in the past, but without TSA getting caught? What else
84 Dragon6172 : No no no!! That is the hand crank to lower the airstair door!!
85 Robsawatsky : Given that TSA staff seem to invent rules and procedures on-the-fly in the passenger screening lines, it isn't surprising that this has resulted in a
86 Laxboeingman : That guy is an idiot! What more on would enter a jet using the equipment on the jet. Did AA now that this was going to be done. The TSA agent should b
87 Turpentyine : Ye, because the media always accurately reports everything aviation related and never misqoutes or lies about anything.
88 C680 : Why was this person not charged under Title 18, Part 1, Chaper 2, section 32 of the United States Code? Destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities
89 Cubsrule : Perhaps because his behavior wasn't willful??? Or are you arguing that he deliberately damaged the aircraft?
90 Isitsafenow : Naawww..he's headed for the unemployment line 'cause TSA is getting a nice bill from American...... Really, who is responsible for the over nighters?
91 Dragon6172 : If I parked my car in a secure lot with a security guard and it was stolen because I did not lock it then I would be partially at fault. If my locked
92 Jr : And i was upset about them damaging two of my suitcases...
93 JBo : One of the news articles I read stated that, after inspections, no aircraft were actually damaged in the incident. But even so... I wonder if it's po
94 Post contains links Nucsh : Ok, stop everything... http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/08/20/grounded.jets/index.html So a TSA inspector goes about his business in a way that could ha
95 Post contains links Jhooper : The following is TSA's response to their actions, posted from TSA's blog http://www.tsa.gov/blog. Can you believe that TSA actually wants to fine AA f
96 Cubsrule : So... is it OK for TSIs to blow up an aircraft to demonstrate vulnerabilities? That seems to be the slippery slope we're on.[Edited 2008-08-20 16:45:
97 LMP737 : True enough, it's just one person. However if I did something that caused damage to nine airplanes at my job they would take my ID and walk me out th
98 Jhooper : Just a disclaimer. Those aren't my words, those are TSA's. It just goes to show you how far they'll go to defend their absured agency in the face of
99 UltimateDelta : I can just see it now: "Hey, what happened to the PFD?!"
100 AirNZ : Hmm! they giving out 'Degree's' now in American High School's, as well as ludicrous 'College Degree's'? Might as well though I suppose, as I personal
101 AABB777 : Press release from Eagle: AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES STATEMENT ABOUT TSA ACTIONS IN CHICAGO FORT WORTH, Texas – American Eagle Airlines agrees with the
102 Stratosphere : Well you know the stupid thing about this is that anybody who can gain access to the ramp can get into an aircraft. These aircraft were not attached
103 Jetfixer : Thats funny. What would be even funnier is if the TSA fine matched dollar for dollar the costs of aircraft damage and cancellations. That way everybo
104 Jetfixer : I've typically had good luck using the stairs on the jet bridges. Much easier than climbing up with the probes.
105 Cubsrule : If I implied otherwise, I apologize. It was unintentional.
106 SHUPirate1 : Sounds like November 9th, 1938 all over again.
107 Mir : He did deliberately climb on the aircraft. Nobody held a gun to his head and forced him to do that. Yeah, but then you have to deal with those pesky
108 Commavia : Welcome to our pathetic excuse for a national air transportation system. And, astoundingly, people still continue to defend the federal government wh
109 Isitsafenow : ...and dont forget the FAA grounding your MD-80's because of tape around wires were not exactly so many inches apart.. safe
110 Post contains links and images KingCavalier : The ABC link at the beginning of the thread shows a pic of Saabs, but this happened at ORD so it would've been E145's or CR7's. I understand the TSA i
111 KingCavalier : Oh, and I thought TSA stood for "Taking Scissors Away."
112 SoBe : I may be dense but please explain how this incident reminds you of Kristallnacht.
113 NorCal : I can't speak for the E145s, but the CRJs don't have cockpit windows that can open, hence the escape hatch in the ceiling of the nose. Maybe a little
114 Post contains links Bcoz : Jon Hilkevitch, the Tribune's transportation reporter, has an interesting follow-up story this morning. It contains what I think might be the most idi
115 TSRA : Or, Trashing Sensors on Airplanes...
116 KingCavalier : Wow, I can't believe how the TSA is handling this situation. Why can't they admit that their inspector unnecessarily damaged aircraft? They are only
117 USXguy : And I'll bet ya a million bux (the amount the TSA is going to fine Eagle) that the pilots would NOT fly a plane with broken probes!! Elio- Take a les
118 SHUPirate1 : The Germans trashed businesses owned by Jewish people, and then charged the Jews for the repairs, plus made them pay a punitive fee. The Terrorists S
119 Dispatchguy : And isnt it in China where, if you are executed, the Government will charge your survivors the cost of the round used to kill you? The TSA needs to s
120 SoBe : So are you elevating the TSA to the level of the Third Reich or minimizing the terror of Kristallnacht and the beginning of the Holocaust to a few be
121 SHUPirate1 : Neither. The scope is obviously on a lesser scale, but the parallels are there and frightening. And certainly, if the TSA ran the country, we might b
122 Dragon6172 : It just amazes me, that after he found he could get into one aircraft, that he would go and try the rest. If he could get into one, what the hell make
123 SoBe : Fair enough. I see what you were getting at.
124 Pianos101 : Yup. And guess who's fault it is if an unauthorized person gets access to the ramp? I'm going to venture a guess and say it's the TSA's fault. SO....
125 Slider : Yeah, except we have stories of TSA incompetence on a DAILY basis. It IS a systemic problem. Terminate this moron with extreme prejudice immediately.
126 Jhooper : You're quoting me. Once again for the record, that's TSA's excuse, not mine.
127 Slider : Oh, i know....I didn't mean my response as a shot or anything. I just don't see how TSA can, with a straight face, do what they are doing and get awa
128 PPVRA : There's a difference between forgetting something and plain ignorance. Mistakes happen, but what happened here is ignorance. If there were "NO STEP"
129 FrmrCAPCADET : The airline did not make the planes secure. The TSA used an unacceptable way of checking the door So many seem to be argueing that all of the blame is
130 Slider : How do you figure? I thought the jetways had been pulled back somewhat. Can you clarify? If L1 is closed and jetway is off, that's secure.
131 JustPlanes : You can send TSA a message.... For complaints https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/DynaForm.aspx?FormID=10 For suggestions https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/DynaForm
132 UltimateDelta : And knowing the TSA, this guy is probably going to be promoted to a senior manager or something.
133 RDUDDJI : Not true. There was no malicious intent. You can "sue" him for the damages (you won't win), but you would have very little chance of making a case fo
134 747MegaTop : Do aircrafts have builit in diagnostics that automatically check to make sure ALL essential sensors are working properly before takeoff? Any chance th
135 Crewchief : After reading comments here, the story at the Chicago Tribune web site, the TSA blog, and stories elsewhere I'm still don't know how the quoted comme
136 Jhooper : I'd laugh if the TSI tried something like this on a military ramp. Step one foot across that red line, and he'd be eating concrete while spread eagled
137 Bcoz : I'd be interested in knowing this too. What part of TSA regulations regarding security of aircraft did Eagle violate? Is there some regulation regard
138 Acidradio : No, it's not only legal, it appears to be a job requirement for the Transportation Safety Inspector position!
139 FrmrCAPCADET : I gather that the TSA should not have been able to get into the plane. Prima Facie then, if he got in the plane was not secure. If the reports were in
140 L-188 : I have never seen a commerical aircraft with doorlocks and this yahoo had ramp access What their diversion gripe is that the guy was able to climb up
141 Jhooper : Until this incident, I didn't even know there was such a thing as a "transportation security inspector". Maybe I was asleep during security class. I w
142 Arffguy : One thing I never see in these never ending gripe sessions about the TSA, is the fact that American citizens demanded the federal government get invol
143 JoseKMLB : I say TSA should just stay off the a/c and off the freaking ramp!!!! Not only for the pax is it hell with them but even for the ramp rats as well with
144 Dragon6172 : I agree that the aircraft need to be secure, and this fella should not have been able to get in. But I think everyone should agree, that if its your
145 Post contains links Fanfan : Its not an isolated event. TSA has had this problem before numerous times according to Aero-News Network's editor in chief. http://iagblog.podomatic.c
146 Post contains links Flightwatcher : WSJ's Scott McCartney on TSA Damage at O'Hare -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the Wall Street Jo
147 Soon7x7 : T S A = Terminally Stupid Americans
148 Dispatchguy : Picture Inspector Cluseau and you'll be close...
149 Falstaff : At SFO I saw a person with some sort of kite and they were told they would have to check because it was illegal to board the plane with. The person l
150 ADRIANGALT : TSA stands for "Thousands Standing Around" Except one idiot, sure he will be fired!
151 Post contains links Bcoz : Now the boys at the TSA are "expanding their probe." http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel...-tsa-ohare_22aug22,0,7844788.story bcoz
152 Soon7x7 : TSA just looking for fines/$$$ to fund their upcoming holiday parties and xmas bonuses.
153 Smcmac32msn : What an appropriate choice of words for the TSA to use. Maybe they can expand training on how to enter planes. I'm sorry, but the one story had this
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