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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2071 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20040 times:

Is it me or does this just seem wrong? At the very least, it seems like a safety violation. Then there's the message it conveys to passengers and/or onlookers.


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User currently offlineAbleToFly From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19999 times:

I don't know what could be wrong with it?
I assume that if the flightcrew is aware of it, this shouldn't be a safety violation.

This happens a few places around the world, I'd say.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19988 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
Is it me or does this just seem wrong?

No its not just you, it looks very unprofessional as well as being unsafe.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19957 times:

It does look unprofessional, but then again, are they about to start the engines? I doubt it. I would hope that a push-back crew would notice the 'napping ramper' and arouse him from his slumber prior to departure.

We don't know at what stage of a turn-round this picture was taken. There may have been a lengthy delay between arrival and departure. Surely this chap would be needed to load the holds before the aircraft departs? In which case, I don't see the harm in him being in that position.

I have a picture on my BlackBerry of a BA ramp guy doing the exact same thing, in the nacelle of a BA 767-300ER. I'm sure it happens the world over and it's not an uncommon thing.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2071 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19929 times:



Quoting AbleToFly (Reply 1):
this shouldn't be a safety violation.

He looks like he's napping. What if when he is startled awake by his irate boss and something falls from his pocket unknown to him or he leaves his gloves or knee pads or flashlight etc? You would be surprised how some small things can wreak havoc with engines.


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2001 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

That's really, really funny. You know that guy is going to get made fun of for a LONG time for that.

 Big grin

Hopefully he doesn't get fired though...

[Edited 2008-08-20 02:51:21]

User currently onlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 676 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19816 times:

Safety Shoes..... the Guys not wearing Safety shoes.....

There you go... i got it.....it was a tough one but i finally spotted the deliberate mistake...

10 points to me ...Bravo TUGMASTER.


User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19719 times:



Quoting AbleToFly (Reply 1):
assume that if the flightcrew is aware of it, this shouldn't be a safety violation.

And there being two sides to the assumption, lets figure what happens if we assume that the flight crew are not aware of it!

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):
No its not just you, it looks very unprofessional as well as being unsafe.

I have to say that yes it has to be considered unsafe but pretty unlikey to reach a dangerous situation however, wherever there is a chance of something going wrong the risk shouldnt be taken. As for the unprofessional, i agree it just doesnt look right does it.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
would hope that a push-back crew would notice the 'napping ramper' and arouse him from his slumber prior to departure

You have to think that its almost impossible not to notice him there by anyone passing the front of the aircraft.

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 4):
What if when he is startled awake by his irate boss and something falls from his pocket unknown to him or he leaves his gloves or knee pads or flashlight etc?

Good point, even those who are not nodding but actually working have left tools and stuff behind before now. Could prove costly.

Good photo though in the respect of being a bit out of the ordinary and raising a discussion. Makes me wonder now if it was done as a prank rather than being really on a break and napping.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19709 times:
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On my carrier it is strickly verboten. Your in big trouble. Thats an unsafe position AND fanblades are strong but very expensive not to mention that "sleeping or the appearance of sleeping" is a firing offense. And this guys in public for good measure.

[Edited 2008-08-20 03:36:02]

[Edited 2008-08-20 03:36:31]


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User currently offlineSWACLE From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19685 times:

Me thinks that this guy will end up in WN's next safety video!

Don



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19673 times:

There is nothing wrong with the picture itself. Big grin

It is not unsafe to lie there however the question is what the company has to say about it.  Smile

Maybe he had his last day?  duck  Big grin


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19536 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
What's Wrong With This Picture?

Should have been rejected for bad_people?

PEOPLE
Your photo(s) showed people in a way so that they can be recognised.

We do not accept photos with people on them whose faces are clearly visible, either from the front or from the side. This even applies to photos of people whom you may know personally and who have given you permission to upload the photo. The only exceptions to this rule are people of common interest, like for example Sir Richard Branson or Michael O'Leary, or if pilots are visible in general aviation aircraft.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4737 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19476 times:
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Quoting LHR777 (Reply 3):
It does look unprofessional, but then again, are they about to start the engines? I doubt it. I would hope that a push-back crew would notice the 'napping ramper' and arouse him from his slumber prior to departure.

I agree it does look unprofessional. He is most likely the one that will be doing either the pushing or the wingwalking so he wouldn't still be there at push time. I have seen it before...he is most likely resting after loading the aircraft and waiting for push time. Also, the photo was taken at SFO where ground-stops are common...  Wink

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 4):
What if when he is startled awake by his irate boss and something falls from his pocket unknown to him or he leaves his gloves or knee pads or flashlight etc? You would be surprised how some small things can wreak havoc with engines.

That is the very reason it is frowned upon, or at least the only answer I have heard. Potential FOD is the concern.

Quoting Chrisair (Reply 5):
Hopefully he doesn't get fired though...

Well the concern here is that his face is clearly visible making him recognizable...which I thought there was a rule against here at airliners.net...? Not sure it should have passed screening...



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User currently offlineFr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19374 times:

I've done it before while awaiting pushback. But always made sure my pockets did not contain a screwdriver or any other such implement of destruction and that my shoes were not carrying any imbedded pieces of metal. And always clear the inlet when dismounting.

But I would be the 1st guy jumping all over a non-mechanic doing the same thing. I love double-standards.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19347 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):

I used to crawl into F/A-18 engine intakes when it got exceptionally cold. I really don't see any harm done (so long as he de-fodded himself prior to crawling in).


User currently offlineBigvince76 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19317 times:

I think it's time that the airline installed flat beds for it's premium pax, this is kind of slopey bed is just so dated!

User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Well, I don't think we can say he was napping...sunglasses do hide his eyes. He could simply be a wing-walker waiting for the push. Granted it may appear unprofessional, but I do not see the harm. When I used to work A320's, I did this same thing all the time. Its a great place to get out of the sun. I have more than a few pictures laying or sitting in engines.

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18905 times:

I too have a picture of something like this happening, a few years back in Windhoek with an SW MD-11.

User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18890 times:

If i got the chance i would. Imgaine saying you've sat in a jet engine!


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 18784 times:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that...I have a picture of MYSELF sitting in a USAF KC-135 jet at Grand Forks AFB. Gosh I almost forgot about that one...I'm not quite sure where it is, but I know I have it. That was when I was 16 and stupid...now I am 24 and...stupid...

User currently offlineSFOnative From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17832 times:

Ultimately probably not unsafe, but without a doubt unprofessional. Especially if the aircraft is parked at the gate for all to witness this scene. This is what break rooms are made for!  Sad

User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17512 times:
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Man they are putting all employees flying in the engines now! Man times are desperate. I'm sure he got a good yelling at. But then again maybe he was inspecting the engines with his eyes closed Big grin.
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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2848 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17512 times:



Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 6):
Safety Shoes..... the Guys not wearing Safety shoes.....

Not necessarily true. Safety shoes come in sneaker form as well. In fact, those look a lot like a pair that I used to have for the summer months when I didn't want to wear the heavy boots in the heat.



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17401 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 18):
If i got the chance i would. Imgaine saying you've sat in a jet engine!

I've been in the intake of an F-16 and its actually quite comfortable, except for the low ceiling Big grin

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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

I'd put my job in jeopardy not for a 737 engine... but for a 77W engine... I'd chain myself to that beauty!

Funny photo, and odd to see it in A.net!



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25 71Zulu : I agree completely. At the MX area? No problem. But if this is at the gate? You have got to be kidding me. Think this guy will be getting a talking t
26 SJC4Me : Yeah like in the break room of his new job. At least nap in the bins where pax cant see you.[Edited 2008-08-20 11:41:09]
27 FX1816 : If you want to take a nap and stay out of the sun he should have just climbed up into the belly and relax there, that is what we used to do while work
28 Type-Rated : What's this napping rampsters a.net userid? Come on now, own up!
29 Isitsafenow : .............as captain says to the 1st...."start two"....... safe
30 Jutes85 : I love doing an intake crawl after a flight in the middle of a blizzard. I make sure to take my sweet ass time and double check the fan blades.
31 Soon7x7 : What if his cell phone slid out of his pocket , unaware?!...or worse...his brains fell out...!....JEEEEEZ
32 Soon7x7 : Looks like SW is displaying another industry first...prop starting their jets...
33 Post contains links Scottieprecord : I think this rule was changed at the end of last year. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...tion_photography/read.main/293983/ 2. People are now al
34 Rwy04LGA : I've been a few F-4s. That's where the Southwest non-revs sit!
35 Aviator86 : I was in class the other day and we were discussing a picture similar to that one and my teacher (737 Qantas captain) briefly said that sitting like t
36 Post contains images AK : When I worked for WN in PHX, I did the same thing on a few occasions. Flight crews, MX, and even sups would see me do it and the only thing they would
37 BE77 : Tug - Good call - I'll score you your 10 points. But if the others are right, and you are not supposed to sit there, then I want my 10 points for obs
38 AndrewUber : I won't allow my crews to get inside engines, it's just stupid. You have no business laying in there, too much can go wrong. Why risk it on a multi-mi
39 Jetdeltamsy : In 1983, I was photographed with two other flight attendants standing in the intake of an engine on an L1011, It was used in an ad campaign for about
40 Aviateur : True. There have been at least a couple of promot photos/ad campaigns featuring crew members posing inside intakes. I don't see what the big deal is.
41 United1 : Its not so much someone being in an intake that looks unprofessional, its the perception that he looks like hes taking a nap presumably in view of pa
42 Maxisno1 : Well lets just say If you were a passenger on that plane you would be less then amused. Someone should send that picture to the media.
43 PITops : I have a pic of me sitting inside a WN engine as well. This is SFO, they do have alot of delays.
44 Silver1SWA : He was probably working that flight. We often finish loading well before push time so there is sometimes a good 10 minutes to kill. Again, the photo
45 Pliersinsight : I thought that was Sir Richard catching a catnap after tea time! Just don't call the guy in the picture a ramp rat....after all rats are nocturnal.
46 Post contains links Cpsarras : In Greece they play it safe. They make sure they don't carry phones, pens, or other stuff that can fall off (including unecessary clothing) when they
47 WunalaYann : Ha. Sure beats my alarm clock!
48 Post contains images Luv2cattlecall : If you think that's bad, this one's even worse! She doesn't even have knee pads on...and I'll leave it at that!
49 SJC4Me : And that necklace is clearly FOD.
50 JoseKMLB : Wow Delta would kill us if we did anything like that on our ramp
51 BEYauty : I realize that these engines can hold a lot of weight, but does the additional weight of this guy damage the engine or connectors in any way?
52 DL Widget Head : None whatsoever. Any possible damage would result from the unknowing introduction of FOD to the engine. I know of a situation recently where an engin
53 TUGMASTER : Very true indeed...... but I've never seen Steel toe cap Running shoes made by NIKE...!!! Good try for the points,.... but sorry no CIGAR.... the saf
54 SWABrian : To answer some of the questions raised here--no, Southwest doesn't permit "lounging'' inside the nacelle of the engine, and any time someone sits in a
55 Srbmod : And on that note, this thread is being locked.
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