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EZY A320 In Trouble After Departing PFO  
User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 10346 times:

Cypriot newspaper Phileleftheros reports today that an EZY A320 had to return to Pafos after experiencing significant turbulence and getting false indications on instrument screens.

The flight originally departed for MAN at 23:40 and returned back at around 01:00.

Link is only in Greek http://www.phileleftheros.com/main/main.asp?gid=334&id=572746

Is it possible for instruments to be affected by turbulence? Could the problem be something else?

[Edited 2008-08-21 05:30:32]


CY@Uk
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User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/def...=2350&hn=famagusta-gazette&he=.com

Links to english reports.

http://avherald.com/h?article=40b8181c&opt=0

Seems a shaking rather than turbulence.
Any ideas?


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

I am also puzzled why the flight returned to PFO. Given that it departed at 23:40 and landed back at PFO just after 01:00, I am assuming that the decision to turn back was taken at about 00:20 - 00:30. By that time other airports could be closer.

Am I making a wrong assumption here?

Any ideas from A320 pilots?



CY@Uk
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

My friend was due to fly the aircraft once it arrived back in MAN. In the end Easyjet positioned an A319 up from STN to operate in its place.


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8679 times:



Quoting CYatUK (Thread starter):
Cypriot newspaper Phileleftheros reports today that an EZY A320 had to return to Pafos after experiencing significant turbulence and getting false indications on instrument screens.

The flight originally departed for MAN at 23:40 and returned back at around 01:00.

Link is only in Greek http://www.phileleftheros.com/main/main.asp?gid=334&id=572746

Is it possible for instruments to be affected by turbulence?

Surely. I've had it happen to me in prolonged periods of moderate+ turbulence with the Avidyne Entegra PFD.

I don't pretend to be an A320 systems expert, but the story sounds plausible from my end.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8565 times:

The Captain decided to turn back to PFO due to vibrations which were out of the ordinary. I operated the earlier PFO on wednesday evening and again tonight bringing home many of those who were stranded out there from the night before. Not the best of flights.


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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8325 times:



Quoting Bochora (Reply 1):
Links to english reports.

From the report:

Local media in Cyprus report, that passengers were told by the airline, that they needed to stay in Cyprus until September because no airplane would be available.

Nice extended vacation  Wink


User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Is the a/c still here in PFO, and if so, what's happening to it? It will have to get back to the UK once the problem is fixed, so why couldn't they take the customers back then?


Formerly alcregular, Why drive when you can fly?
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6644 times:



Quoting CYatUK (Reply 2):
Given that it departed at 23:40 and landed back at PFO just after 01:00, I am assuming that the decision to turn back was taken at about 00:20 - 00:30. By that time other airports could be closer.

The flight would have already passed over Antalya Airport in Turkey by that time. Seems a bit risky to take a faulty aircraft out over the water again when dry land is underneath you.  Confused


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

G-TTOF (i think it was) operated Thursday evenings 1924 back to MAN whilst G-TTOI which was scheduled to operate thursdays repatriated the delayed pax back to the UK.

Quoting GBan (Reply 6):


Quoting Bochora (Reply 1):
Links to english reports.

From the report:

Local media in Cyprus report, that passengers were told by the airline, that they needed to stay in Cyprus until September because no airplane would be available.

Nice extended vacation

The pax were told by the handling agent that they would "have to find their own flight home". This is at odds with Easyjet's policy and, in any case, the stricken aircraft would have had to have made the trip back to MAN in any case. This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6203 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 9):
This is at odds with Easyjet's policy

What is the exact policy here?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5634 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 9):
This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days.

Yup, Louis Ground Handling are so bad. TCX are handled by them too,and the staff are so slow, they are still checking in customers when the flight should be boarding. Plenty of our flights have missed their slots this summer because of bad handling. I would have been surprised if any of the Louis staff were there to meet the flight on arrival. They don't even turn up for check in, nevermind an unexpected flight!



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5138 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
What is the exact policy here?

Easyjet still have an obligation to get pax to their destination and not be told to source other flights themselves. The aircraft in question was clearly going to have to make the trip back to MAN (or the UK at the very least) anyway so there was always going to be a flight for the pax stranded down there.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5067 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 12):
Easyjet still have an obligation to get pax to their destination and not be told to source other flights themselves. The aircraft in question was clearly going to have to make the trip back to MAN (or the UK at the very least) anyway so there was always going to be a flight for the pax stranded down there.

True but feasibly PAX may have not been allowed onboard if it was just a ferry back to the UK. In any case I was just curious as I mean, I have another U2 flight booked next week. What the hell is happening to me Ryan!?



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4742 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
True but feasibly PAX may have not been allowed onboard if it was just a ferry back to the UK. In any case I was just curious as I mean, I have another U2 flight booked next week. What the hell is happening to me Ryan!?

But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there. As for your flight, I am sure it will go as smoothly as the hundreds of daily U2 flights do.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4695 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there

It possibly could, it does sometimes happen whilst other arrangements are made to get the PAX home. It depends what is the MX issue.

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
As for your flight, I am sure it will go as smoothly as the hundreds of daily U2 flights do.

I'm sure it will.



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User currently offlineWirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4521 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 5):
The Captain decided to turn back to PFO due to vibrations which were out of the ordinary

it is possible that there was a problem in the elevator or rudder hinge bearings or actuators. these vibrations are quite common on A320.. although common are not so easy to rectify.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 7626 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4451 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there.

Pax are not a factor, based on OEM, a/c and civil rules and regulations, the a/c may be U/S for pax traffic but ok for ferry back to base, there have been incidents where pax have sat in airports watching the a/c that they were on take off back to base as a ferry flight while they wait for a replacement.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4260 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 17):
Pax are not a factor, based on OEM, a/c and civil rules and regulations, the a/c may be U/S for pax traffic but ok for ferry back to base, there have been incidents where pax have sat in airports watching the a/c that they were on take off back to base as a ferry flight while they wait for a replacement.

What I am saying is that the engineers were working on the aircraft and was made fit to fly, that was always going to be the case on Wednesday. As long as the aircraft was in a position to fly pax, it would not have left PFO empty. Couple that with the fact that the next nights flight still had seats available, no attempt was made by the ground staff to rebook pax.



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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

The Easyjet conditions of carraige state that they will rebook passenegrrs and also provide hotel and food.
This Louis problem should mean they cancel the contract for ground handling as the seem incompetent. I often wonder why airlines let the customer facing part be outsourced and lose control of the customer experience.
Maybe Easyjet and TC should open their own or maybe Louis are too comfy with the airport authorities to be booted off?


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3979 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 9):
This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 19):
Maybe Easyjet and TC should open their own or maybe Louis are too comfy with the airport authorities to be booted off?

For some reason I am not surprised at all from what you say.

Under the new arrangements, Hermes Airports (new operator of both LCA and PFO) have led the ground handling to Swissport CY and LGS which proved to be a very bad decision as it resulted in many problems and attracted the attention of media and the government for considerable time.

Both companies claim that all problems will be solved once the new terminals open (Nov 08 for PFO and Nov 09 for LCA) but Hermes have threatened to cancel their contracts if proper action is not taken now. Given the expertise of Swissport in baggage handling, I have no reasons of not believing them however I will agree with Hermes that action is required now given that we are in the middle of the buisiest season in Cyprus.

The good news is that the new terminal at PFO is on schedule and should be opening on 11/11/08.

Is the a/c back in the UK? I know that EZY have signed an agreement with CY for A32X maintenance.



CY@Uk
User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

It does not appear to be a lucky week for EZY. Tonight CyBC reported that an EZY plane from London has made an emergency landing at Nice due to smoke in the cockpit. It also reported that Captain and F/O were taken to hospital with respiratory problems.

I did a search but did not manage to find any more information.

Anyone with more details? (a/c type etc)



CY@Uk
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3784 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14):
But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there.

No the aircraft would not be empty for the "ferry flight" back, there wouild be a flight crew on board.

A "ferry flights" are always sans paying passengers.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3755 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):
No the aircraft would not be empty for the "ferry flight" back, there wouild be a flight crew on board.

A "ferry flights" are always sans paying passengers.

Wow, we never would have guessed that!  Yeah sure



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3698 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 8):
The flight would have already passed over Antalya Airport in Turkey by that time. Seems a bit risky to take a faulty aircraft out over the water again when dry land is underneath you.

Would it possible/plausable that they did they to dump/burn fuel over water as opposed to over land? No idea if the plane in question is capable of dumping fuel, but maybe they would prefer to dump over water than land. Also if it isn't a true emergency where they need to land ASAP then maybe returning to the port of origin is more desirable as the airline is more able to handle the passengers need from a port they actively serve than maybe sending additional aircraft to a port they do not serve at all.

Just suggesting possible reasons for the decisions made.


25 GT4EZY : People are taking this out of context. It was a simple turn back to destination to investigate a problem. The aircraft wasn't in trouble. The A320 (a
26 Planesarecool : Slightly off-topic, but I didn't think it warranted it's own, does anybody know why EZY seem to have had fairly hefty delays on one or two flights eve
27 Myt332 : The only way an A320 can dump fuel is if you get a big hammer and bash a hole in the wing, so yes, you are correct. Well they have a crew shortage at
28 GT4EZY : Operationally, there is no longer a shortage of crew at MAN. The flightdeck situation is being "plugged" for the time being by our CTC's. The transit
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