CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9193 times:
Cypriot newspaper Phileleftheros reports today that an EZY A320 had to return to Pafos after experiencing significant turbulence and getting false indications on instrument screens.
The flight originally departed for MAN at 23:40 and returned back at around 01:00.
CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8687 times:
I am also puzzled why the flight returned to PFO. Given that it departed at 23:40 and landed back at PFO just after 01:00, I am assuming that the decision to turn back was taken at about 00:20 - 00:30. By that time other airports could be closer.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
Quoting CYatUK (Thread starter): Cypriot newspaper Phileleftheros reports today that an EZY A320 had to return to Pafos after experiencing significant turbulence and getting false indications on instrument screens.
The flight originally departed for MAN at 23:40 and returned back at around 01:00.
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7412 times:
The Captain decided to turn back to PFO due to vibrations which were out of the ordinary. I operated the earlier PFO on wednesday evening and again tonight bringing home many of those who were stranded out there from the night before. Not the best of flights.
Local media in Cyprus report, that passengers were told by the airline, that they needed to stay in Cyprus until September because no airplane would be available.
Sunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1758 posts, RR: 34 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6474 times:
Is the a/c still here in PFO, and if so, what's happening to it? It will have to get back to the UK once the problem is fixed, so why couldn't they take the customers back then?
Babybus From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3512 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5491 times:
Quoting CYatUK (Reply 2): Given that it departed at 23:40 and landed back at PFO just after 01:00, I am assuming that the decision to turn back was taken at about 00:20 - 00:30. By that time other airports could be closer.
The flight would have already passed over Antalya Airport in Turkey by that time. Seems a bit risky to take a faulty aircraft out over the water again when dry land is underneath you.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5231 times:
G-TTOF (i think it was) operated Thursday evenings 1924 back to MAN whilst G-TTOI which was scheduled to operate thursdays repatriated the delayed pax back to the UK.
Quoting Bochora (Reply 1):
Links to english reports.
From the report:
Local media in Cyprus report, that passengers were told by the airline, that they needed to stay in Cyprus until September because no airplane would be available.
Nice extended vacation
The pax were told by the handling agent that they would "have to find their own flight home". This is at odds with Easyjet's policy and, in any case, the stricken aircraft would have had to have made the trip back to MAN in any case. This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days.
Sunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1758 posts, RR: 34 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4481 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 9): This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days.
Yup, Louis Ground Handling are so bad. TCX are handled by them too,and the staff are so slow, they are still checking in customers when the flight should be boarding. Plenty of our flights have missed their slots this summer because of bad handling. I would have been surprised if any of the Louis staff were there to meet the flight on arrival. They don't even turn up for check in, nevermind an unexpected flight!
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3985 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10): What is the exact policy here?
Easyjet still have an obligation to get pax to their destination and not be told to source other flights themselves. The aircraft in question was clearly going to have to make the trip back to MAN (or the UK at the very least) anyway so there was always going to be a flight for the pax stranded down there.
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 74 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 12): Easyjet still have an obligation to get pax to their destination and not be told to source other flights themselves. The aircraft in question was clearly going to have to make the trip back to MAN (or the UK at the very least) anyway so there was always going to be a flight for the pax stranded down there.
True but feasibly PAX may have not been allowed onboard if it was just a ferry back to the UK. In any case I was just curious as I mean, I have another U2 flight booked next week. What the hell is happening to me Ryan!?
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3589 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13): True but feasibly PAX may have not been allowed onboard if it was just a ferry back to the UK. In any case I was just curious as I mean, I have another U2 flight booked next week. What the hell is happening to me Ryan!?
But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there. As for your flight, I am sure it will go as smoothly as the hundreds of daily U2 flights do.
Wirelock From Spain, joined Sep 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3368 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 5): The Captain decided to turn back to PFO due to vibrations which were out of the ordinary
it is possible that there was a problem in the elevator or rudder hinge bearings or actuators. these vibrations are quite common on A320.. although common are not so easy to rectify.
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5901 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 14): But the aircraft would not ferry back empty if there were pax stranded down there.
Pax are not a factor, based on OEM, a/c and civil rules and regulations, the a/c may be U/S for pax traffic but ok for ferry back to base, there have been incidents where pax have sat in airports watching the a/c that they were on take off back to base as a ferry flight while they wait for a replacement.
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 3107 times:
Quoting Par13del (Reply 17): Pax are not a factor, based on OEM, a/c and civil rules and regulations, the a/c may be U/S for pax traffic but ok for ferry back to base, there have been incidents where pax have sat in airports watching the a/c that they were on take off back to base as a ferry flight while they wait for a replacement.
What I am saying is that the engineers were working on the aircraft and was made fit to fly, that was always going to be the case on Wednesday. As long as the aircraft was in a position to fly pax, it would not have left PFO empty. Couple that with the fact that the next nights flight still had seats available, no attempt was made by the ground staff to rebook pax.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 900 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
The Easyjet conditions of carraige state that they will rebook passenegrrs and also provide hotel and food.
This Louis problem should mean they cancel the contract for ground handling as the seem incompetent. I often wonder why airlines let the customer facing part be outsourced and lose control of the customer experience.
Maybe Easyjet and TC should open their own or maybe Louis are too comfy with the airport authorities to be booted off?
CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 9): This just demonstrates the incompetence of PFO ground staff that has been experienced in both GB and Easyjet days
Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 19): Maybe Easyjet and TC should open their own or maybe Louis are too comfy with the airport authorities to be booted off?
For some reason I am not surprised at all from what you say.
Under the new arrangements, Hermes Airports (new operator of both LCA and PFO) have led the ground handling to Swissport CY and LGS which proved to be a very bad decision as it resulted in many problems and attracted the attention of media and the government for considerable time.
Both companies claim that all problems will be solved once the new terminals open (Nov 08 for PFO and Nov 09 for LCA) but Hermes have threatened to cancel their contracts if proper action is not taken now. Given the expertise of Swissport in baggage handling, I have no reasons of not believing them however I will agree with Hermes that action is required now given that we are in the middle of the buisiest season in Cyprus.
The good news is that the new terminal at PFO is on schedule and should be opening on 11/11/08.
Is the a/c back in the UK? I know that EZY have signed an agreement with CY for A32X maintenance.
CYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2659 times:
It does not appear to be a lucky week for EZY. Tonight CyBC reported that an EZY plane from London has made an emergency landing at Nice due to smoke in the cockpit. It also reported that Captain and F/O were taken to hospital with respiratory problems.
I did a search but did not manage to find any more information.
Jbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 8): The flight would have already passed over Antalya Airport in Turkey by that time. Seems a bit risky to take a faulty aircraft out over the water again when dry land is underneath you.
Would it possible/plausable that they did they to dump/burn fuel over water as opposed to over land? No idea if the plane in question is capable of dumping fuel, but maybe they would prefer to dump over water than land. Also if it isn't a true emergency where they need to land ASAP then maybe returning to the port of origin is more desirable as the airline is more able to handle the passengers need from a port they actively serve than maybe sending additional aircraft to a port they do not serve at all.
Just suggesting possible reasons for the decisions made.
25 GT4EZY: People are taking this out of context. It was a simple turn back to destination to investigate a problem. The aircraft wasn't in trouble. The A320 (a
26 Planesarecool: Slightly off-topic, but I didn't think it warranted it's own, does anybody know why EZY seem to have had fairly hefty delays on one or two flights eve
27 Myt332: The only way an A320 can dump fuel is if you get a big hammer and bash a hole in the wing, so yes, you are correct. Well they have a crew shortage at
28 GT4EZY: Operationally, there is no longer a shortage of crew at MAN. The flightdeck situation is being "plugged" for the time being by our CTC's. The transit
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