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BA Winter 09 At LGW  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

They seem to have changed the timetable around a lot for Jan, Feb, Mar

FCO, NAP, VCE and others are getting a night stop, which gives a day return to LGW

Perhaps they are doing more ski flights this year.

Interesting that they decided not to both with LGW-TFS even on a twice weekly service, guess they knew about GT's club loads and decided not to bother.

[Edited 2008-08-23 08:10:04]

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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

BA are carefully balancing their timetable changes. The reason for the time changes at different points through the winter timetable is to ensure all their slots at not just LGW but also LHR are used 80% of the time. This means they will not be forced to give up any of their lucrative slots.

LGW/TFS was never on the cards for this winter. This is proabably due to the low CE loads that the service operated with under GT.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2829 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 1):
BA are carefully balancing their timetable changes. The reason for the time changes at different points through the winter timetable is to ensure all their slots at not just LGW but also LHR are used 80% of the time. This means they will not be forced to give up any of their lucrative slots.

I thought that would be the main reason, demand certainly does fall in the winter.

How are CE loads on LGW-Antalya, currently a long sector at 4 hours 15 min?


User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2402 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 1):
The reason for the time changes at different points through the winter timetable is to ensure all their slots at not just LGW but also LHR are used 80% of the time.

That isn't how BA is protecting its slots this winter - it's nothing to do with the 80% rule at either LHR or LGW. To qualify for grandfather rights to any slot, you have to hold the slot and fly it for at least five weeks running.

If BA operates a flight from Heathrow at 13:00 from 1 November to 1 January and then from 1 February to 26 March, it has two blocks which each are more than five weeks and so it will earn grandfather rights to both blocks for the following year. Because the gap between 2 January and 31 January is less than five weeks, no other airline will be able to put a flight into the gap which operates for the magic five weeks to qualify for grandfather rights to that slot for the following year. BA can thereby get back the missing few weeks for that slot in the following year because no-one else can really use it.

That's why you get things like this:
BA 5 LHR-NRT operates from 26 October to 3 January and 1 February to 7 March
BA 7 LHR-NRT operates from 26 October to 6 December, 4 January to 7 February and 21 February to 28 March

This means that BA has cut back LHR-NRT from two to one per day for most of the winter but has not left any gap of more than four weeks on any of the slots. The only overlaps here are between 26 October and 6 December, 1 February to 7 February and 21 February to 7 March when there will be two daily flights to NRT.

That's how you make sure you don't lose slots even though you cut back your schedule. The 80% rule would only come into play if BA failed to use more than 80% of the slots which it was holding at the industry deadline date for unwanted slots.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
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Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 3):
That's why you get things like this:
BA 5 LHR-NRT operates from 26 October to 3 January and 1 February to 7 March
BA 7 LHR-NRT operates from 26 October to 6 December, 4 January to 7 February and 21 February to 28 March

This means that BA has cut back LHR-NRT from two to one per day for most of the winter but has not left any gap of more than four weeks on any of the slots. The only overlaps here are between 26 October and 6 December, 1 February to 7 February and 21 February to 7 March when there will be two daily flights to NRT

Very smart use of the 80% rule at the slowest time of year to NRT.


User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

That's the whole point - they don't need to use the 80% rule to achieve this!! It is the "five week minimum for grandfather rights" rule which they are using to do it.

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

The usual 737s on my flights to JER are showing as A319s in December. Part of the gradual phase out of the some of the 737s as more Airbus come online according to what I read elsewhere.


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