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AA Now Offers High-Speed Internet In Flight!  
User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

August 20th AA introduced its Wifi internet service on their Boeing 767-200 aircraft which fly on primarily transcontinental routes between the East-West coasts:



For $12.95, passengers on AA flights using its Boeing 767-200 will be able to surf the 'Net, check e-mail, instant message and access corporate VPN accounts using the system by Aircell LLC. AA is the 1st airline to offer high speed internet connections in flight in the US.

So far there is nothing but positives to hear about the service. Speeds are great, with reports of ~1.7Mb down and 170Kb up. I really hope the service will be expanded to other aircraft too...

AA should be commended for adding services in this environment of constant cuts, I think this will be a great success!
  
EDIT: Website http://www.gogoinflight.com/

[Edited 2008-08-24 17:29:17]

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User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

I guess this gives them the one up on UA for the JFK-LAX/SFO flights.


-max



Flown on A319, A320, A321, A330-200, A340-300, 737-3,5,7,8, 747-400, 757-2,3, 767-300, 777-200
User currently offlineBa97 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Interesting. So for $13.00 I can use my skype phone and talk and receive calls all the way across also. Like being in the office. This is great.


there is economy class, business class, first class...then Concorde..pure class
User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5055 times:



Quoting Ba97 (Reply 2):
Interesting. So for $13.00 I can use my skype phone and talk and receive calls all the way across also. Like being in the office. This is great.

VOIP is not permitted.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5170 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5013 times:



Quoting 44k (Thread starter):

AA should be commended for adding services in this environment of constant cuts, I think this will be a great success!

I think this is good, but I commending for adding services...I'm still salty over the first bag charge business.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting Ba97 (Reply 2):
Reply 2, posted Sun Aug 24 2008 18:26:49 your local time (56 minutes 51 secs ago) and read 121 times:

Interesting. So for $13.00 I can use my skype phone and talk and receive calls



Quoting Egcarter (Reply 3):

VOIP is not permitted.

Apparently it is Internet access, but not voice. Thankfully.

From the Aircell Gogo site:

"Can I use Gogo to place a call with my cellular or VoIP phone?

Using cellular network services (voice or data) during the flight is not currently allowed by the FCC. When you can’t call, however, you can still Gogo! With most Internet applications, you can email, IM or just browse the web for information, so you don’t have to wait until you’re on the ground to keep in touch.
Please note: VoIP services are also currently prohibited."

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[Edited 2008-08-24 19:52:36]

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4907 times:



Quoting 44k (Thread starter):
I really hope the service will be expanded to other aircraft too...

There are plans to add it to the 757s, 737s and MD-80s, depending on how reliable and successful the service is. According to current schedules, the MD-80 and 737 could see installation begin next year and the 757s in 2010, with all narrow body a/c complete by mid-2011.



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User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting 44k (Thread starter):
I really hope the service will be expanded to other aircraft too...

According to the Aircell site, it will be available on Virgin America and Delta soon.......

"Aircell’s Gogo™ inflight Internet service to be available in first and economy classes on more than 330 Delta aircraft in 2009, the most expansive inflight broadband offering of any U.S. air carrier."


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

I wonder if this'll help bring in some UA p.s. clients. After UA starts inflight service cuts and whatnot, maybe they'll migrate to AA and be able to use the internet and get more work done!
 scratchchin 



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4808 times:



Quoting Egcarter (Reply 3):
VOIP is not permitted.

As it should be.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Cant wait to try on Saturday to MIA...booked on a 762. Shoudl be fun. Short flight but worth it.

User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 4299 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):

As it should be.

Amen!

Thats all I need is Bob the 300 lb loud mouth road warrior yapping his fat flap into a cell phone for 5 hours.

No thank you.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4237 times:
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Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
As it should be.

I agree! But nothing will stop someone connecting to their office via VPN, then running VoIP through the VPN ... I bet it will happen, and there are no technical means to stop it.

Question: will a FA tell you to stop talking on your VoIP headset while in flight? Would you be in violation of some FAR if you do so, or only of Aircell's TOS (which the FA couldn't probably care less)?



Never trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4237 times:



Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 11):
Thats all I need is Bob the 300 lb loud mouth road warrior yapping his fat flap into a cell phone for 5 hours.

So it's OK if he's 150 lbs?  Yeah sure



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

As this requires being near ground stations, I wonder how far the range will be. Sometimes JFK-MIA goes pretty far out over the ocean.

User currently offlineKalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4207 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 12):
. I bet it will happen, and there are no technical means to stop it.

Actually it's pretty easy to do, just limit average traffic per customer.
On the other hand, signal is likely to go through earth synchronous satellite, 80 000 km up to orbit and back to base station - that's about 1/4 second; add another 1/4 return.. it wouldn't be as comfortable as a cell phone.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
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Quoting Kalvado (Reply 15):
Actually it's pretty easy to do, just limit average traffic per customer.

Didn't think about that... or induce some artificial jitter, it's easy and disrupts any meaningful voice communication. I wonder if they actually do that or leave it up to the customer to be polite and respect the TOS...



Never trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself
User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5499 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4167 times:



Quoting Egcarter (Reply 3):


Quoting Ba97 (Reply 2):
Interesting. So for $13.00 I can use my skype phone and talk and receive calls all the way across also. Like being in the office. This is great.

VOIP is not permitted.

Guess what?
"Who Says You Can't VoIP on Aircell, I just Did It"
http://andyabramson.blogs.com/voipwatch/2008/08/who-says-you-ca.html

Quote:
Tonight I got an email from Laptop Magazine's new News Editor (recently promoted) Joanna Stern, asking me to get on SightSpeed while she was flying on an Aircell equipped American Airlines flight to New York.

We actually saw each other for about ten seconds on SightSpeed, before the voice and real time video sensing technology cut the connection off. Bummer as that was the supposed "impossible."
......

It took about 10 seconds to suggest we try Flash Audio. And guess what? It worked.

Phweet(http://www.phweet.com/). Yup, the unfunded brainchild of pals Stuart Henshall and Mr. Blog David Beckemeyer (who I consider one of the true great minds in VoIP) made it happen.

I invited Joanna, she replied and once I figured out how to get Phweet to answer (I had to use Safari, not Firefox) Joanna and I were having a lovely conversation while she was on an Aircell flight.

The cat is out of the bag. Phone conversations will occur if internet is on a plane. After all voice is just data to the system.

And sooner or later the airline will want the revenue stream from it, hell why get $7 from every tenth passenger for a pillow and blanket when they can get $1.00 a minute from almost everyone with no additional weight or personnel.....

And I hate it, I hate the idea of listening to a dozen or more "vital" and trivial conversations going on around me.

It's coming and there's nothing we can do about it. Uugh.

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
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This fall AA will be utilizing the B762 for flights 74/75 LAX-IAD-LAX. Us DCers will be able to use the Gogo service when flying to LA!

User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4067 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13):
So it's OK if he's 150 lbs?

Thats all I need is Bob the 150 lb loud mouth road warrior yapping his skinny flap into a cell phone for 5 hours.

Is that better?


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4060 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
It's coming and there's nothing we can do about it. Uugh.

The airline's own rules, and therefore the FARs, can prohibit VOIP calls. See below.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 12):
Would you be in violation of some FAR if you do so, or only of Aircell's TOS (which the FA couldn't probably care less)?

If a flight attendant tells a person to do something and they don't comply, they are in violation of FARs. AA's own terms of use of the Gogo service prohibit VOIP calls. If someone is successful in establishing a conversation and a flight attendant tells them to end it, it would be a wise idea to comply.



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User currently offlineThebry From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
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Why just on the 762's? American flies their 763s from SFO to JFK as well.

User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5499 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4027 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 20):
If a flight attendant tells a person to do something and they don't comply, they are in violation of FARs. AA's own terms of use of the Gogo service prohibit VOIP calls. If someone is successful in establishing a conversation and a flight attendant tells them to end it, it would be a wise idea to comply.

That's all good and fine, but you are going to see calls happen. Great if the F/A tells them to stop but what's the consequence?

Also why would the airline want to hassle with it when they can charge for it?

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Are you going to prohibit people from speaking loudly to the people next to them as well?

Look, I agree that people tend to speak more loudly on the phone than in person, but we should be educating people that it is not required to do so (since it's not), instead of banning talking. It makes no sense. Force them to use better headsets if you have to.


User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

my friend is actually blogging from his AA flight, live. haha.

he is by no means an "aviation type" like most of us...but he's getting a kick out of it

http://www.bsideblog.com/2008/08/live-flight-blog-seriously-thi.php


25 Post contains links Fsnuffer : Like FA's don't have enough to do; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410282,00.html With everybody being offended by something this should be a real
26 Qqflyboy : FARs require passengers to comply with crew member instructions. Failure to do so can result in imprisonment and up to a $25,000 fine, plus restituti
27 Tonytifao : Who cares if you talk to someone next to you or on the phone?
28 Post contains links Aviators99 : If you trust the coverage map here: http://www.gogoinflight.com/jahia/Ja...site/gogo/customerCare/coveragemap There is definitely a (short) portion o
29 Goldenshield : It doesn't surprise me in the least that FOX is the first news agency to throw the P word along with the I word in the same sentence when it comes to
30 SPREE34 : Especially JFK-MIA That's rich. Blew my coffee right out.
31 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : I am taking the 762 to MIA saturday am...will advise but based on the gogo map..and flight paths there should be no issue.....
32 ManuCH : Of course, that's pretty obvious. What I'm asking myself is whether the FA will actually tell passengers to end the conversations or not - ie. if the
33 Aviators99 : Looks like they take the Atlantic Route about 1/3 of the time over the past week, so there's a chance you won't have an issue.
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