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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 9
Posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

I have a few questions concerning various aspects of the terminal building at Miami International Airport, and I was hoping A.net's resident MIA experts could answer them.

1) Concourse B was built during the 1970s, but the Concourse B of the 1970s doesn't resemble the Concourse B that was demolished three years ago.


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The first photo shows Concourse B to be a T-shaped pier, while the second photo shows Concourse B in its new form. When were the renovations undertaken? I'm assuming it was some time during the 1980s and parallel to the renovations of Concourses D, E, and F, which share similar architectural elements. On a related note, does anyone have any interior photos of B before she was torn down?


2) What exactly is the large, gray building that sits directly to the west of Concourse C? It's visible in the photo on the left, while the photo on the right shows Concourse C in her original configuration.


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Why did they remove the gates from that side of the terminal to replace it with that building? Incidentally, how many years does Concourse C have left before being torn down?


3) Regarding "Low D" at Concourse D (visible above right), is this portion of the terminal going to be demolished as soon as the rest of the North Terminal is complete? It's a gloomy, bleak walk through Low D to get to the newer portion of the terminal, especially without the aid of the moving walkways found in Concourse A, for instance.


4) Does anyone have some photos of the inside of Concourse F as it looks today? I flew through F once in 1997, once in 1999, and once in 2003, but I never got farther than Gate F7 or so. I remember taking an escalator to the third floor and then walking down a corridor with a down escalator to take you to each individual gate, kind of like the corridor was a highway and the escalators were the offramps. Does this configuration continue on to the very end of the terminal? How are arriving domestic and international passengers routed? I notice, for one, that the hallway for exiting Concourse F is on the second level.


5) Concourse H was built in 1961, but the current concourse resembles an extension of Concourse A or High D. When were these renovations undertaken? I noticed that they don't extend all the way—around Gate H12 or so, there's a rather abrupt transition into an older-style concourse. Are there any plans to renovate this portion of the concourse, too?



This model of the completed airport in Concourse E shows a completely different end to Concourse H than what currently stands now. Have they yet to build this or was it scrapped?


6) I don't have any personally-created photos with me at the moment, but Concourse H also has escalators and elevators leading to the third floor and (I believe) the first floor, yet they're closed off and marked "restricted area", or something of the sort. Where do these escalators and elevators lead? Will they ever be opened? If not, why bother building them?


Thanks in advance for any answers to my questions. Having started and ended every trip in my life from MIA, from my first flight on a Faucett L-1011 out of B in 1996 to arriving on an American 757 to D just a month ago, I've always been fascinated by this airport and its history. It's only been further piqued by the fact that I'm now a member of the MIA volunteer corps and spend my weekends assisting travelers coming in through Customs E.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3080 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):

2) What exactly is the large, gray building that sits directly to the west of Concourse C? It's visible in the photo on the left, while the photo on the right shows Concourse C in her original configuration.

I believe it is baggage sorting for AA.

Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):


5) Concourse H was built in 1961, but the current concourse resembles an extension of Concourse A or High D. When were these renovations undertaken? I noticed that they don't extend all the way—around Gate H12 or so, there's a rather abrupt transition into an older-style concourse. Are there any plans to renovate this portion of the concourse, too?

Concourse H was just renovated again last year and retrofitted with international gates, so it now handles Alitalia, Air France, and other - mainly SkyTeam/DL-affiliated - airlines.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3075 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I believe it is baggage sorting for AA.

That would explain why I read a few months earlier about the airport not being able to demolish Concourse C until they could replace the baggage hub. I originally thought the hub was in C itself, though.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Concourse H was just renovated again last year and retrofitted with international gates, so it now handles Alitalia, Air France, and other - mainly SkyTeam/DL-affiliated - airlines.

So now the third floor is used to process international arrivals like the third floors of A and D? What was up there originally? Just a moving walkway to get to the gates faster?

And thanks again for the prompt reply! Big grin


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3066 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 2):
So now the third floor is used to process international arrivals like the third floors of A and D? What was up there originally?

H is connect to J behind security by a new shopping mall. I think that all H and J arrivals are processed together at the J immigration. The third floor is just moving walkways, IIRC.



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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2969 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):
4) Does anyone have some photos of the inside of Concourse F as it looks today? I flew through F once in 1997, once in 1999, and once in 2003, but I never got farther than Gate F7 or so. I remember taking an escalator to the third floor and then walking down a corridor with a down escalator to take you to each individual gate, kind of like the corridor was a highway and the escalators were the offramps. Does this configuration continue on to the very end of the terminal? How are arriving domestic and international passengers routed? I notice, for one, that the hallway for exiting Concourse F is on the second level.

Concourse F as I recall it with PA and UA, once you got past a certain point, it opened up. You took the escalator down and it opened up to the widebody gates. At the end was 3 gates with a nice large window behind a gate counter. You could sit there and spot all day.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 4):
Concourse F as I recall it with PA and UA, once you got past a certain point, it opened up. You took the escalator down and it opened up to the widebody gates. At the end was 3 gates with a nice large window behind a gate counter. You could sit there and spot all day.

I wonder... how can you get to the gates on the left hand side of the pier from the third floor?


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
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Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):
1) Concourse B was built during the 1970s, but the Concourse B of the 1970s doesn't resemble the Concourse B that was demolished three years ago.

The first photo shows Concourse B to be a T-shaped pier, while the second photo shows Concourse B in its new form. When were the renovations undertaken? I'm assuming it was some time during the 1980s and parallel to the renovations of Concourses D, E, and F, which share similar architectural elements. On a related note, does anyone have any interior photos of B before she was torn down?

In the first place, the date on that first photo is way off. It says 1973 but the E-Satellite did not open until 1977, and judging from the oil spots on the gate ramps it had been open a while. I tried to correct it with the database editors but they won't change it without concurrence from the photographer and he insists he took the photo in 1973 . The Satellite didn't start construction until the latter part of 1973 and wasn't finished until 1977 when we started assigning gates to it. This is a great example of how history gets distorted by one person.

Concourse B was done in two phases. The western half was done in the early 70's, leaving a flat wall and straight north-south airport vehicle roadway on the east side of it. To the east was an airport perimeter fence and a huge Eastern employee parking lot on gravel and dirt that went all the way to the Eastern air freight building that was just to the west of the large National hangar and ramp.

I believe the second phase of B was done in the mid-to-late 1980's. My gate controllers inherited the Eastern ramp tower and lower offices on top of B when Eastern died in January 1991 and it was pretty darn new as I recall but suffered from roof leaks caused by smokers flicking cigarettes onto the roof which melted some type of rubber plastic coating on the roof.

I have photos inside B but don't know where they are now. I never thought it to be an impressive concourse inside but it served its purpose.

Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):
2) What exactly is the large, gray building that sits directly to the west of Concourse C? It's visible in the photo on the left, while the photo on the right shows Concourse C in her original configuration.

The large gray building is the "Son of Shed", an airport joke because the first shed was built at the base of Concourse D and closed a lower D gate and a lower C gate at the time. AA used it to sort bags. It wasn't sufficient to meet AA's needs so "Son of Shed" was built and it is a $30 million temporary bag sorting facility. It closed an additional four gates on the west side of C, which we weren't happy about because it caused a shortage of gates on other concourses that we assigned. There may have been another smaller shed built at the base of C after the first shed and it would have been "Son of Shed" which really makes the large shed "Grandson of Shed" but I can't recall precisely.

I have to leave on a trip for home and I'll answer another question or two after I return.


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[Edited 2008-08-25 07:16:20]


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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 5):
I wonder... how can you get to the gates on the left hand side of the pier from the third floor?

http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/PLANE-MIAMI.html


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
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I also have a lot of historical photos of MIA, and other airports in Dade County, located at:
http://www.pbase.com/donboyd/memories_aviation Most photos are from the state archives and contributions and a few are mine.



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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6433 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

I love this shot, shows off NA's mini jetways!

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How many gates did NA have?
After the PA takeover, did PA operate out of both E and F?

NA had 2 747. Interestingly, he's on one and the other is in the shot!



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
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Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):
5) Concourse H was built in 1961, but the current concourse resembles an extension of Concourse A or High D. When were these renovations undertaken? I noticed that they don't extend all the way—around Gate H12 or so, there's a rather abrupt transition into an older-style concourse. Are there any plans to renovate this portion of the concourse, too?

This model of the completed airport in Concourse E shows a completely different end to Concourse H than what currently stands now. Have they yet to build this or was it scrapped?

The Concourse H rebuilding project was completed in 1996 and it was done in two phases - total closure of the east side non-headhouse gates and then total closure of the west side non-headhouse gates, or vice-versa, I can't remember. The "headhouse" is the end of Concourse H and it was a separate project that was scrapped to save money. The new rebuilt concourse stopped at H10 on the east side and H11 on the west side. The model probably depicts what it would have looked like had the headhouse project not been killed.

There has always been a problem with the lack of dual taxiways south of concourse H between the end of the concourse and the runway 27 run-up pad, especially when the airport is in a west operation with aircraft lined up for takeoff. Smaller aircraft have taxiing over the marked vehicle roadway and the parking ramps at the end of H for years to get in to or out from east side H gates to get around other aircraft, which is unsafe, so the airport is going to put dual taxiways in south of H by removing the jet bridges on the south end of H and effectively closing those gates. The headhouse is not being used now but if the airport proceeds with a project to turn gate H-15 into an A380-capable gate the passenger holdrooms at gates H16, H18, H19 and H20 will be used for any A380 operations. Gate H-11 would also become international-arrival capable as part of the project.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8371 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):
How many gates did NA have?
After the PA takeover, did PA operate out of both E and F?

Pan Am operated mostly out of concourse F but did have its international arrivals into concourse E, some 747 flights did operate from teh satelite at concourse E.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2256 times:



Quoting DB777 (Reply 10):
There has always been a problem with the lack of dual taxiways south of concourse H between the end of the concourse and the runway 27 run-up pad, especially when the airport is in a west operation with aircraft lined up for takeoff. Smaller aircraft have taxiing over the marked vehicle roadway and the parking ramps at the end of H for years to get in to or out from east side H gates to get around other aircraft, which is unsafe, so the airport is going to put dual taxiways in south of H by removing the jet bridges on the south end of H and effectively closing those gates

Similar to what they did by closing the gates on the north side of the Concourse E satellite to build a dual taxiway into the D/E apron area, then?

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4996/ccdeib7.jpg

Quoting DB777 (Reply 10):
The headhouse is not being used now but if the airport proceeds with a project to turn gate H-15 into an A380-capable gate the passenger holdrooms at gates H16, H18, H19 and H20 will be used for any A380 operations

Is H15 going to be the gate used by LH's A380 service, or is this an additional A380-capable gate?

The model also shows a new commuter terminal just west of Concourse D:

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Is this gone, too?


And true to the pattern of MIA having something different about it every time I visit, yesterday I saw that the Concourse D security checkpoint was closed, and passengers were being instructed to go to either C or E and then go to D through the connectors available behind security. I sent people to E because no passenger should have to endure the seemingly-endless trip through the C/D connector, which is one of the few parts of the airport that I genuinely hate. What are they working on back there? Of interest is that passengers could still exit through D, just not enter.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2087 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):
yesterday I saw that the Concourse D security checkpoint was closed, and passengers were being instructed to go to either C or E and then go to D through the connectors available behind security. I sent people to E because no passenger should have to endure the seemingly-endless trip through the C/D connector, which is one of the few parts of the airport that I genuinely hate. What are they working on back there? Of interest is that passengers could still exit through D, just not enter.

yes, you are correct. I used the new C check in to my D47 flight. It was quite a walk I tell you to get to to the end of D from C. The trAAin still is not working, but it is needed if that is where the check in will be located. Currently, it looks like the C check in is temporary. There are something like 9 security lanes, which is good, but the area is very cold and basic. Reminds me of a US government/passport office. All gray with a huge US flag in the corrner.


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