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Aerolineas Argentinas + Austral = 50 E Jets  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 2684 times:

Skyliner.de , reports AR + AU will order 50 E Jets.

Any more infos ? Is it the end of the 737s and MD80s in both Argentinian carriers fleets ?

In another way , has AR put in service their first A320s ?

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

I thought that AR was being taken back over by the Argentine Government.

Why would there be a consolidated buy if this is the case?


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

There have been rumbles of this for a while now, recently there were high level trade talks between Brazil and Argentina with relation to a possible procurement.

Here is an article of 8 th August In Portuguese: (With quick translation.)

O secretário de Transportes argentino, Ricardo Jaime, confirmou hoje negociações com a Embraer para renovar a frota da Aerolíneas Argentinas e de sua subsidiária Austral.

Argentine transport secretary confirmed today nogociations with Embraer to modernise the AA fleet and its subsidery Austral.

"O plano a médio prazo é poder renovar toda a frota (para vôos domésticos) que está sendo operada por aviões MD, para que no futuro possamos operar com aparelhos da Embraer, de 70 a 90 lugares", disse Jaime a uma comissão de deputados que analisa o resgate da Aerolíneas Argentinas.

The plan to replace the whole fleet (for domestic flights) which are operated by MD aircraft, for the future it is possible to be operating equipment of Embraer with 70 to 90 seats, says a commission of deputys that are analyzing the rescue of AA.

"Iniciamos as negociações para isso. Viajaremos em breve ao Brasil para ver quais são as condições gerais, disponibilidade (de entrega de aviões) e condições de crédito", disse.


We have started negotiations for this. Travelling soon to Brazil to see the general conditions, availability (for aircraft delivery) and credit conditions, they say.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2580 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
50 E Jets.

So they're shrinking a little bit? I show AU with 19 MD-80s and AR with 35 737s, and E-Jets are smaller.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2564 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
In another way , has AR put in service their first A320s ?

Nope. Pushed initial date was pulled back to October. The main reason, bringing back the MD fleet up to speed and some delays in the delivery of the equipment necessary to put them in service.

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Is it the end of the 737s and MD80s in both Argentinian carriers fleets ?

I don't quite think so. The 732s may be pulled out sooner, but they have been hush-kitted, that means they can still fly through the 2010 CAT-III Sount Stage implementation limit. MD80s will not suffer this.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
I thought that AR was being taken back over by the Argentine Government.

Why would there be a consolidated buy if this is the case?

Because AR and AU are being taken back by the Argentine Government.

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 2):
"O plano a médio prazo é poder renovar toda a frota (para vôos domésticos) que está sendo operada por aviões MD, para que no futuro possamos operar com aparelhos da Embraer, de 70 a 90 lugares", disse Jaime a uma comissão de deputados que analisa o resgate da Aerolíneas Argentinas.

It's weird, AR/AU will eliminate their 150-160 seaters to replace them with 90 seaters? I don't quite think our Transport Secretary knows what he's doing.

Saludos!



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2558 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):

It's weird, AR/AU will eliminate their 150-160 seaters to replace them with 90 seaters? I don't quite think our Transport Secretary knows what he's doing.

How many A32x series aircraft are they taking?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2546 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
It's weird, AR/AU will eliminate their 150-160 seaters to replace them with 90 seaters? I don't quite think our Transport Secretary knows what he's doing

Perhaps Airbus will fill that seat capacity, maybe they want to walk before they can run, lower capacity with more frequency maybe their thinking, only they know. At least its better that losing your state airline !!!

I wish AA luck with their future plans, it would be sad to see such a past good carrier going to the dogs


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2502 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
How many A32x series aircraft are they taking?

2. The ones that are already at EZE. The other 2 that were prepared and ready for delivery, were cancelled.

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 6):
Perhaps Airbus will fill that seat capacity, maybe they want to walk before they can run, lower capacity with more frequency maybe their thinking, only they know.

The thing is, there are no A32S available. Having E170s, E190s adds a fleet type to the already MESSY domestic/regional regional fleet.

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 6):
At least its better that losing your state airline !!

One thing is having it gone, another is being run by people like Mr. Jaime.

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 6):
I wish AA luck with their future plans, it would be sad to see such a past good carrier going to the dogs

Ditto.

FYI - AR is drafting an MOU for an Airbus A340, msn 278.

Saludos.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2446 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
The thing is, there are no A32S available. Having E170s, E190s adds a fleet type to the already MESSY domestic/regional regional fleet.

They're taking enough E-Jets that they could eliminate either MDs or 737s if they were so inclined. As I said before, though, it would take a large capacity cut to eliminate both.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 4):
It's weird, AR/AU will eliminate their 150-160 seaters to replace them with 90 seaters? I don't quite think our Transport Secretary knows what he's doing.

Yeah, I agree. Sure AR could use some Ejets, and I love to see more Ejets flying around and Embraer doing well, but this order is not really based on the merits of the plane nor on AR's needs. It's obvious there's politics all over this.

Anyway, they will look good on ARs colors, and will be nice to see more Ejets in South America.

[Edited 2008-08-25 10:25:50]


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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2215 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
How many A32x series aircraft are they taking?



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
2. The ones that are already at EZE. The other 2 that were prepared and ready for delivery, were cancelled

There is a white A320 in Interjet's Maintenance area in TLC airport. AR pilots took the airplane to TLC for contract maintenance and 4 packs of drugs were found in the cargo area by IJ's maintenance personnel. Do you know how AR got out of this mess?? I think there was a lease contract signed with Pegasus or some other Aircraft Leasing company???


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2182 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 10):
AR pilots took the airplane to TLC for contract maintenance and 4 packs of drugs were found in the cargo area by IJ's maintenance personnel.

The packs were found after the plane was parked for several days in TLC, the crew got "acquitted" and therefore the company too. Now, the mess is for the leasing company, and as the plane is impounded because of that, the contract was cancelled.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
It's obvious there's politics all over this.

I hear ya, bro.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
They're taking enough E-Jets that they could eliminate either MDs or 737s if they were so inclined.

Yeah, to replace either. But not both. The most urgent matter are the 732s. Even though they have a replacement, the 737-500 could go for regional or even some "dense" domestic routes, but you'd still have 3 types of plane.

Saludos.



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5226 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

That A320 belongs to Pegasus... but it's been there since February 2008.

Hopefully it is our new and next Mexican Air Force A320  Smile

I would have to thank AR for that!

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

2 A320s are stored at EZE LV-BNZ and LV-BOJ

1 is stored at Dinard ( It came from CAI , where it has been painted ) , LV-BPC Ex OO-TCK.Guess this one will never fly to Argentina.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5226 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1990 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 11):
The packs were found after the plane was parked for several days in TLC, the crew got "acquitted" and therefore the company too.

Hi MD11junkie,

How are you? That A320 we're talking about, arrived at 6 PM LT and drug was found that same day 4 hours later by Interjet's mx people when Mexican Federal Police was notified. So now is on the leasing company... interesting! I hope this one stays with us!

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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