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First LH A300 Phased Out And Offered For Sale  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15593 times:

According to another forum the first LH A300-600 D-AIAI has been phased out and is offered for sale parked in Hamburg.


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1775 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15552 times:

What's the phone number for Onur Air again?  Smile
Seriously though, these birds could be nice replacements for A300B2/4 cargos once converted.



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User currently offlineOlle From Sweden, joined Feb 2007, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

Will it be converted for Cargo?

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9281 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15502 times:

That was listed in Speednews alraedy in June or even earlier. Nothing new.

Didn't we have a thread here that LH was going to buy TU AB6s?

I has a good number of flights on AIAI - "Erbach/Odenwald" BTW



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15495 times:

I'll bid  twocents 

Atlanta



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User currently offlineDj1986 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Have flown with D-AIAI on May 8th, 2008 to ATH. I wonder why LH equipped AIAI with the "new" A300 seats if they were going to phase it out so soon? However I enjoyed the flight as it was my first flight with a LH A300 equipped with real C-Class seats.


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15409 times:

So with a whole lot of new A321 arrive will we see more A300s being phased out soon ?
I know that they will not phase out the A300s completely but how many can we expect to go
in the next 2 years ?

Quoting Olle (Reply 2):
Will it be converted for Cargo?

Depends on the cycles.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15400 times:

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Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15263 times:

Ai, Ai, it is sad to see the A306s go. They are great airplanes. What solution does LH have for the routes in terms of capacity and wingspan?

Also very sad to see the AA A306s go.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15238 times:

As aircraft go, I'd be happy to take something that LH had operated given their maintenace team is (IMHO) one of the best going (if not the best period).

I would be curious to know if LH commands any premium for their aircraft vs. 'normal' used airframes.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3564 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15238 times:

I guess this A-300 has gathered a lot of cycles and some flying hours, although the number of cycles certainly is much higher given the relatively short distances this plane covered.

While no one would do that, could you do a D-Check on that airplane and fly it in LH service for another 21 years? I know this makes no economical sense, my point is, what does the certification require? Is there a fix cycle limit after which you cannot use the plane anymore and have to scrap it?

No doubt this airplane paid off during its career.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15180 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 9):
I would be curious to know if LH commands any premium for their aircraft vs. 'normal' used airframes

Definitely. Looking at what happened to older airliners, like 727s, 707s, older 747s, you can see that airlines with a great maintenance reputation like Lufthansa and Qantas (yes...) never had problems to sell off their aircraft, while other carriers who tend to fly aircraft til they fall apart usually had to send their aircraft of silimar cycles and age to the scrapman.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15053 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 11):
Looking at what happened to older airliners, like 727s, 707s, older 747s

As far as I know there is at least one 707-330 still flying in VIP configuration, also some ex LH 727 and 732 are still flying passengers all over the world and the 747-200s are also still in service although mainly as freighter airplanes.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineB777Neuss From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14897 times:

Hmm...,

I heard from a colleague who worked at it that it will fly somewhere to England tomorrow where it will be scrapped. LH sold it and will buy the engines, undercarriage and fin back. One engine was replaced with a brand-new engine in may.

Delivery date to LH: 26.03.87
Fhrs.: 60978
Cycles: 27428

B777Neuss


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14701 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
747-200s are also still in service although mainly as freighter airplanes

Isn´t AF1 a 747-200?

//Micke  duck 



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14684 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 14):
Isn´t AF1 a 747-200?

//Micke   

I was referring to former LH aircraft  Smile



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14533 times:



Quoting Dj1986 (Reply 5):
I wonder why LH equipped AIAI with the "new" A300 seats if they were going to phase it out so soon?

perhaps LH did not intend to sell the aircraft at the time they installed the new cabin...



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14444 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
Also very sad to see the AA A306s go.

Why it can't go tech when it's retired???  Wink

Atlanta



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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14381 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 17):
Why it can't go tech when it's retired??? Wink

Atlanta

They probably won't go tech in the hands of their new owners anyway  Wink



I AM the No-spotalotacus.
User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13528 times:



Quoting B777Neuss (Reply 13):
I heard from a colleague who worked at it that it will fly somewhere to England tomorrow where it will be scrapped. LH sold it and will buy the engines, undercarriage and fin back. One engine was replaced with a brand-new engine in may.

Hmmm.... Where could it be going.  Sad

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13106 times:



Quoting WAH64D (Reply 18):
Quoting Atlanta (Reply 17):
Why it can't go tech when it's retired??? Wink

Atlanta

They probably won't go tech in the hands of their new owners anyway Wink

Only if AA is buying it to check how skilled people work on the 306...


User currently offlineIpodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12482 times:

ok, so whos left in the passenger A306 operators?


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11793 times:



Quoting Ipodguy7 (Reply 21):
ok, so whos left in the passenger A306 operators?

AA
TU
Onur
IR
Thai
China Eastern
Monarch

Hunter



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11782 times:



Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
First LH A300 Phased Out And Offered For Sale  

$4,000 dollars and my United Miles  Wink



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11770 times:

China Southern
Mahan
Qatar ?
Korean
Kuwait Airlines

Hunter

[Edited 2008-08-25 19:36:36]

[Edited 2008-08-25 19:38:55]


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25 FRAspotter : Has QR gotten rid of their last 306's yet?
26 LH648 : Finally. A343 in 3 class config to replace A306 on FRA-ALA/TSE route
27 Desediez : I want to confirm that... I am surprised, why this one is the first to go, as it is not the one having accumulated the highest nbr of Fhrs, nor of Cy
28 BrightCedars : I'm sure IR will show interest, for the frame and for parts. If they could get their hands on the AA 306s (35 units?), they could run the type for the
29 DALCE : May she rust in peace A pity to see that LH started to retire my favorite airplane of the LH fleet.
30 NicoEDDF : Good ol' ACAS Frame cracks? Heavy landing? Would be nice to know. She looks quite fine and still modern out here in HAM, despite she's already stripp
31 Columba : LH will keep some of their A306s so they will also continue to be an A306 operator. Together with the 737, 747 and MD 11F definitely one of my favori
32 ThaiA345 : TG still flies quite a number of them, but most of them will be phased out by 2011 when the A321 comes online to replace them and the B734. But this y
33 DALCE : Look to my username and you'll know what my other favorite is
34 PM : Add JAL.
35 OHLHD : No not yet. I believe they still have one! I am sure LH gets a good price for them.
36 Atlanta : $5,000 and Platnum Meadallion status / all my miles on DL Final offer Atlanta P.S. Will my new A300 be shipped UPS or FedEx???
37 Burkhard : If they get hands on it, it will go lost and they keep it.
38 Flyglobal : Hmm, so a new interior first and the retired and scrapped when there are other planes which are older or have more 'milage' So if this is true, then s
39 B777Neuss : Some updates, it will leave HAM at August the 28th. I can tell you tomorrow to which destination. And it was sold with the new cabin. That´s right. B
40 LH526 : It's just removing new seats! That's doable in half a work day, It's not that the whol interior including bins, etc was changed! Seats will be remove
41 PlaneHunter : List of all current A300-600 pax operators (number of active frames): American (32) JAL (22) Thai Airways (17) Lufthansa (13) Korean Air (8) China Eas
42 LXA340 : The aim of this was to wetlease the crew and plane for those operations as I doubt LH would want to send their crews and own equipment to Afghanistan
43 A350XWB : Do you know at which time it will leave HAM tomorrow? I will go to HAM for spotting tomorrow, but will not be there before 1 pm. Would be great if yo
44 Breiz : Don't know for this particular plane, but if an airline decides to phase out a certain type over a number of years, they may sell the best ones first
45 B777Neuss : It´s scheduled before 1 pm, but maybe you have luck. I am sorry, I can not tell you the actual departure time. And I heard today that it will leave
46 Malaysia : I flew D-AIAI back in 2005 from LHR-FRA. I sure will miss it.
47 Columba : How many former LH aircraft have been scrapped right after they were withdrawn from service usually LH was able to sell them afterwards ?
48 Desediez : Up to now only two B747-230, D-ABYQ and D-ABYR where broken up and the third one, D-ABYM, went to the museum.... By the way, D-AIAI is still here in
49 Keesje : thats the killer, very high for a widebody. City hopper. No real heavy load short range replacement in sight.
50 PanHAM : Are you sure about Southampton, wouldn't  it be rather Southend?I find it a bit surprising as well that they scrap this a/c instead of a freighter co
51 AndyEastMids : D-AIAI is expected into Lasham today for partout A
52 Desediez : as you call this one a 'killer', how will you call one with even more than 37.000 cycles?
53 Desediez : It looks like D-AIAI will leave HAM within the next hour. I just saw the crew doing a preeflight check. Spotters, be prepared to catch the probable la
54 Columba : So that is just the 747-230s that were scrapped, which very likely had nothing to do with the aircraft itself but with the time LH phased them out. A
55 NicoEDDF : Yep, it just took of the westbound runway in HAM, 14.48 german time...
56 B777Neuss : There are reasons for scrapping and not selling or converting. LH considered that it would fly for only a few more years so the repair would be to ex
57 PanHAM : Lasham is about an hours drive east of Heathrow. Good spotting place BTW and nice country side. Amazing that they put even 707s and DC8s into that sho
58 B777Neuss : East? I thought southwest.
59 GCT64 : I think that should be "South West" - an hours drive East of LHR is Westminster
60 PurpleBox : So - this time LH will know exactly what they are buying. But how common is it for tier one airlines (LH/BA/AF/KL/SQ etc) to use second hand parts? P
61 NA : Farewell, D-AIAI. I´ve had many filghts on it. As AK, AM and AN are just weeks or months younger, all from 1987, I assume it´ll be their turn soon,
62 SXDFC : I believe I have read somewhere on this site that LH keeps their planes for about 21 years? or is it 25? In any event 1987 was 21 years ago so I guess
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