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Discussion About The MS 990 Crash  
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3031 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

In order not to derail the SR 111 thread, please continue the discussion about the MS 990 crash here:

Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 36):
I did forget that one however my question was."Disgruntled Professional Pilot"....not a disgruntled employee...I specify PRO PILOT as I believe the passion they had for flight when they were young, rarely leaves a pilot...that said...can't see one becoming a mass murderer.
Just doesn't make sense. I don't believe that just because we've been given the conclusion by major media that it is necessarilly Gospel Truth.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 39):
Yes. Depression and desperation can do horrible things to a person's awareness and recognition of right versus wrong. The pilot was suicidal. The airframe was just fine.

So, can a Pro Pilot be depressed enough to bring an entire plane down? In my opinion, by reading the accident report, he can.

And I don't think an NTSB accident report to be "major media", it's a scientific study about a plane accident.

Never trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself
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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Anything's possible; but I wish the NTSB had done more research into the theory about electromagnetic interference bringing the plane down. There are some very interesting observations in an article I read online; like how it went down during military testing in a recently opened chunk of military airspace off the BETTE departure. I'll try to find the link if people are interested.


What now?
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4578 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Suicidal or mental pilots happened more often, the RAM ATR-42 and a JAL DC-8 also come into mind and I have no reason to believe otherwise, I don't take the electromechanical interference theory on MS990 serious. It's a cultural and pride thing of countries like Egypt if they bring up any other theories about these accidents. My former boss was Morroccan, an Obama style very articulate and intelligent man, but only when I tried to discuss the RAM accident he started to babble and shout complot theories like the French covering up the failures of their crappy aircraft as he just doesn't want to believe any Moroccan can do something like that.

The Silkair 737 is a mystery though, After I read many things about it, I believe it's rather a rudder problem then the pilot.

[Edited 2008-08-26 02:14:49]

nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineCasualObserver From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Do JAL still use their pilots bio-rythyms when scheduling their workloads?

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11588 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

I don´t know why there is still dicussion about this. After reading the final report its so clear I have no doubts, much more than TWA800 for example which is still more of a mystery. For me its 100% sure it was a severe criminal act of the particular relief pilot to take so many people with him to the grave. This man, coming from rural Egypt and being a hero in his neighbourhood, had issues enough to commit suicide. With his pervert sexual behavior abroad becoming public he would have lost face, not to mention his other issues. Foolish comments, that he, as a devoted muslim, could not have committed suicide as it is forbidden by religion, should note, that the killer pilots of 911 also claimed to be "devoted muslims", while they were the exact opposite, ruthless mass-murderers who will rot in hell together with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Himmler or Hoess who in their own way did the same, exterminate their visionary enemies.
And a ruthless mass-murderer was the relief Egyptair pilot, too. Not politically of cause.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13856 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

To me the deeper issues MS 990 and other suicide attributed airline crashes is that what signs can an employing airline look for to suspend a pilot/co-pilot has mental health, pending criminal/moral issues or financial problems without violating laws on personal, medical and financial privacy. Accusing someone of having any such issues will usually be in deep denial, will be fearing a lifelong stigma of any such actions and fearing a loss of quality employment. Still, we need to have some standards no matter the nationality of the pilots to keep out those with problems that threaten the safety of the passengers.

User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
we need to have some standards no matter the nationality of the pilots to keep out those with problems that threaten the safety of the passengers.

Some track behavior and other issues such as anti-CRM in order to build a case for mental or personality examinations. If other pilots negative experiences become great in number "outside the curve" the said pilot would be interviewed and/or counseled.

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