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Etihad To Launch Nigeria Flights  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Etihad Airways announced today that it will be launching from March 2009, 4 weekly flights each to Lagos and Abuja nonstop from its Abu Dhabi hub using a 2 class configured Airbus A 330-200.

The article below though doesnt mention if it will be a triangle route i.e. AUH-LOS-ABJ-AUH or each city will get stand alone flights. Can anyone else confirm?

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/52898...-launches-service-to-nigeria?ln=en

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User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3472 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
AUH-LOS-ABJ-AUH

To avoid confusion - Abuja is ABV; ABJ is Abidjan.

Good to hear nevertheless!


User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Some competition for Emirates now! Is Dubai/Abu Dhabi -West Africa traffic really strong to support 2 airlines?

I suppose Accra can't be too far away from being added to EY's network


User currently offlineBRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

I agree, I would think Accra is not far behind.
My guess is probably going to be AUH-ACC-ABJ to mimic Emirates DXB-ACC-ABJ flights.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

EY will now have a monopoly strong hold on east bound ABV-Middle East nonstop/connecting traffic and am sure they would time the flights to connect both ways via AUH to China, India and key Far East Asian cities that see a lot of business/political movement to Abuja.

User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz..............these Middle Eastern bred airlines are becoming a joke. Why don't they just replicate each other networks from their hubs? Geez, that is a novel idea!! Let's see capture the third world migrant markets of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh...brand our hubs as duty free shopping markets to capture the Kangaroo Route traffic...and for the hell of it we'll through in Houston, the energy capital of the Americas. I think in time Etihad will be the 21st century version of Gulf Air.

User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

This makes the 3rd airline to fly between Nigeria and UAE, after Emirates and China Southern.
Does Chine Southern has 5th freedom between UAE and Nigeria?


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 5):
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz..............these Middle Eastern bred airlines are becoming a joke. Why don't they just replicate each other networks from their hubs? Geez, that is a novel idea!! Let's see capture the third world migrant markets of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh...brand our hubs as duty free shopping markets to capture the Kangaroo Route traffic...and for the hell of it we'll through in Houston, the energy capital of the Americas. I think in time Etihad will be the 21st century version of Gulf Air.

Please! What does it matter? In these times when most airlines are shrinking, downsizing or closing altogether, Its great to see an airline expanding and offering consumers more options.


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

They are hardly a joke, they are the airlines making a name for themselves as opposed to the airlines from the US and Europe who are struggling. EY, EK customer service is amazing compared to some others.

AUH is a little out of the way for Europe-Nigeria connections. Does anyone know is EK pick up many of these via DXB?


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

I know EK gets alot of West African traffic on its Asian flights. I flew DXB-HKG-DXB and both legs had a number of people connecting on to Lagos and Abidjan. I also flew LGW-DXB and onboard this flight my seatmate was flying to ACC via DXB. So maybe if the price is right people don't mind the extra travelling.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Spare a thought for EY crews; it might be a lucrative destination, but if you ask any airline crew - flight or cabin - their least favourite destinations, LOS (or anywhere in Nigeria) is always bottom of the list.

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3108 times:



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 5):
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz..............these Middle Eastern bred airlines are becoming a joke. Why don't they just replicate each other networks from their hubs? Geez, that is a novel idea!! Let's see capture the third world migrant markets of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh...brand our hubs as duty free shopping markets to capture the Kangaroo Route traffic...and for the hell of it we'll through in Houston, the energy capital of the Americas. I think in time Etihad will be the 21st century version of Gulf Air.

Can you please enlighten me as where the 'joke' in them is, as well as what point you were actually trying to make?
Ah! or do you perhaps mean the expansion and capture of markets that you US carriers would dearly love to replicate? Third world markets, eh......are you classing the likes of the Indian market with all those little hotpotch little US towns where your carriers fly soley to maintain market share, and lose millions to show who's the 'big boy'?
Actually, I'd just like to know what on earth you're talking about in the first place, lol!!


User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:



Quoting Zizou (Reply 2):
Is Dubai/Abu Dhabi -West Africa traffic really strong to support 2 airlines?

Absolutely. Especially if ACC, ABJ and DKR are included.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
Does Chine Southern has 5th freedom between UAE and Nigeria?

Yes. Its possible to fly CZ from DXB to LOS.

Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 8):
AUH is a little out of the way for Europe-Nigeria connections. Does anyone know is EK pick up many of these via DXB?

Some Pax connect through DXB to North America from LOS as long as the price is right for them. A friend of mine traveling to Nigeria for the summer went YEG-LHR-DOH-LOS for a lesser price, rather than YYC-LHR-LOS, a much more direct and shorter route. Most West African Pax don't mind all the connections and long waits as long as they get a good price for their itinerary. Europe to Nigeria via AUH is very viable depending on the price.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
Spare a thought for EY crews; it might be a lucrative destination, but if you ask any airline crew - flight or cabin - their least favourite destinations

And why is that? I won't say it's a lie, but I really find that hard to believe.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
LOS (or anywhere in Nigeria) is always bottom of the list

Another cheap shot aimed at LOS and Nigeria I suppose? We've already become accustomed to that!  Smile


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3003 times:

Both KLM and Lufthansa who offer 3 weekly flights to ABV will suffer a bit in their premium cabins as EY will 100% under cut them big time on key routes such as ABV-JED/RUH/BKK/SIN/PEK/BOM/DEL/DXB.

And yes both EK and QR pick up a small chunk of traffic from both Canada and Eastern USA to LOS via their respective hubs.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2919 times:



Quoting Impacto (Reply 12):
Another cheap shot aimed at LOS and Nigeria I suppose? We've already become accustomed to that!

No; just have a look at PPRUNE (Professional Pilots Rumour Network) and have a look at favourite/least favourite destinations.

I don't mean to offend Nigeria or Nigerians gratuitously, but it really is a fact. I have spoken to a number of airline crews who have been there (or rostered to fly there) too. It's not meant to be a cheap shot, just a fact. Sorry.


User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2858 times:



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 5):
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz..............these Middle Eastern bred airlines are becoming a joke.

Sour grapes perhaps? Be glad that there're players thriving in this industry, else we'll all be paying astronomical prices with little to no option, wait! US domestic sector may become like that soon.


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

AirNZ your comments at Philly65 are just what I was thinking, if he thinkfthe likes if EY/EK are becoming a joke he really needs to have a look at DL/US etc!

In ref to overnight stays in LOS, I have met quite alot of Africans in my line of work and I have to say the 2 Nigerians I know are 2 of the hardest working and freindliest people I know. They both say LOS is as safe as any other city to visit, Im totally ignorant about it but if the natives say its OK it must be at least safe.

Im sure most people would rather visit New York than Lagos but why would crews prefer not to visit LOS?


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2722 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 16):
Im sure most people would rather visit New York than Lagos but why would crews prefer not to visit LOS?

Because most airlines have a policy of restricting their crews to stay in their hotels in either LOS and ABV. I have met a few KLM crews in the Sheraton in Abuja, and a lot fo them go out and have dinner in town. Most of them enjoy seeing something of the real Nigeria. On a side note, Kano used to be a popular lay-over in the 1970s and 1980s when all of the major European airlines had crews sleeping there. They would hang out a lot in the Kano recreation and the Kano motor club, drinking a few beers and dancing with expats, locals and other crews.

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Etihad Airways announced today that it will be launching from March 2009, 4 weekly flights each to Lagos and Abuja nonstop from its Abu Dhabi hub using a 2 class configured Airbus A 330-200.

The article below though doesnt mention if it will be a triangle route i.e. AUH-LOS-ABJ-AUH or each city will get stand alone flights. Can anyone else confirm?



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
Both KLM and Lufthansa who offer 3 weekly flights to ABV will suffer a bit in their premium cabins as EY will 100% under cut them big time on key routes such as ABV-JED/RUH/BKK/SIN/PEK/BOM/DEL/DXB.

And BA of course, but I would be surprised to see if this really gets a go ahead. The Nigerian government is very restrictive in giving ABV landing rights. Last year G0 was refused to operate ACC-ABV and rumour has it that EK has been begging for access to ABV for years.


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Does anybody know the load factors on these nigerian flights or that of any other west african destination, is it all Nigerians going to Dubai? for work or what?

User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting Miami1 (Reply 18):
Does anybody know the load factors on these nigerian flights or that of any other west african destination, is it all Nigerians going to Dubai? for work or what?

Trade in Dubai and lots of connecting traffic to China and India.


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

The only LOS I'd like to be going to is LOS Angeles  Smile

Any thoughts on EK or EY starting service to Kinshasa, DRC?


User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Depending on how the connections work out, these flights will also be popular for Australia to Nigeria connections. It can be really tough to get a SYD-JNB-LOS routing in business class, and we all know that SYD-DXB on EK is routinely packed to the gills in business, making the SYD-DXB-LOS tough for business travelers.

Nigeria is right up there on my list of places to go. I'm a bit wet behind the ears with Africa though, having only been to Sth Africa. I'll stick with the easier African countries for a bit longer yet  Smile


User currently offlineSN-MD11 From Luxembourg, joined Dec 1999, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
Spare a thought for EY crews; it might be a lucrative destination, but if you ask any airline crew - flight or cabin - their least favourite destinations, LOS (or anywhere in Nigeria) is always bottom of the list.

Well that's an established fact I can easily understand !! Had to fly to Lagos three times for my business back in 2005: some people on this flight had only goal in their mind: get drunk as soon as possible. No offence here... but it what it is !

Lagos and Kinshasa are both "hell on earth" cities. Port Harcourt is another city where westerners have to be very very cautious.


User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 494 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2437 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 16):
In ref to overnight stays in LOS, I have met quite alot of Africans in my line of work and I have to say the 2 Nigerians I know are 2 of the hardest working and freindliest people I know. They both say LOS is as safe as any other city to visit, Im totally ignorant about it but if the natives say its OK it must be at least safe.

And you belived them? There are other resource to find out the crime and safety rates, but you gave me a good laugh when you said that Lagos is as safe as any other city to visit. I have never heard that one before.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16991 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2423 times:



Quoting KL577 (Reply 19):
Trade in Dubai and lots of connecting traffic to China and India.

In fact one of KQ and ET's biggest OD is LOSCAN, with about 100 pax per day each way

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 15):
Be glad that there're players thriving in this industry, else we'll all be paying astronomical prices with little to no option, wait! US domestic sector may become like that soon.

Are QR and EY making money?



E pur si muove -Galileo
25 Shamrock321 : I never said LOS was a safe city! I said Nigerians I know have told me its safe, dont twist words. Regardless if LOS is hell on earth or crews hate fl
26 Philly65 : First of all, these Gulf nations are funded with petro dollars and the airlines enjoy gov't subsidies, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figur
27 KHI747 : I dont think your information is correct. What makes you think EK or EY get cheap oil? You think companies like BP would spare them a single penny? A
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