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Kalitta Air 747 Emergency Landing In BOG  
User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 835 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14001 times:

Hi everyone, appears that another 747 was involved in an engine failure and had to came back at BOG. Here is teh link (in spanish)

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/bog...esta-madrugada-en-bogota_4467559-1

Please share your opinions.

Gus
SKBO


Colombian coffee, the best...take a cup and you will see how delicious it is.
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User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Darn, this is not good in the aviation business at all.....

Spanair MAD
737 in Middle East
Twin Otter in Guatemala
Aires Dash 8
Dolomiti ATR
Spanair emergency landing
Ryainair (Dont know exactly)
Kalita...... (even worse, 3rd faul in 3 months or so?)

Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self


User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

Wait until the mainstream media gets a hold of this.

I am waiting for the "Everyone is cheaping out on maintenance to make an extra buck" headline from someone


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13834 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self

Its becoming a dog-eat-dog world out there and fuel price hikes dont help. Its not that operators (at least the more rpubtable ones) are actually cutting costs on maintainance, but they are probably not spending any more than they absolutely have to in terms of going that extra mile to ensure a degree of safety well above and beyond the minimum regs.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13672 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Darn, this is not good in the aviation business at all.....

Spanair MAD
737 in Middle East
Twin Otter in Guatemala
Aires Dash 8
Dolomiti ATR
Spanair emergency landing
Ryainair (Dont know exactly)
Kalita...... (even worse, 3rd faul in 3 months or so?)

Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self

As I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone. You're only hearing about all these "emergency landings" because it's the topic du jour after the Spanair crash.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13567 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Spanair MAD
737 in Middle East
Twin Otter in Guatemala
Aires Dash 8
Dolomiti ATR
Spanair emergency landing
Ryainair (Dont know exactly)
Kalita...... (even worse, 3rd faul in 3 months or so?)

VS 744 at LGW too, engine failure on take off last week.



If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13484 times:
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The moderators might want to fix the thread title so that Kalitta is spelled correctly...  Wink

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
s I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone. You're only hearing about all these "emergency landings" because it's the topic du jour after the Spanair crash.

I agree. Think of all of the IFSDs that WN goes through in a year that result in ATBs or diversions that dont get reported. And I am not picking on WN, just saying that with 500 airplanes, I bet they go through a few. Yet we hear about none.

Though Kalitta has been in an unlucky streak. Sometimes its your turn in the hole. Assuming that these are just random acts of maintenance and not the fault of the organization...that is.



For some, the sky is the limit. For us, it is only the beginning... -- Jack Hunt
User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13477 times:

Kalitta flies older than most aircraft. It has nothing to do with bad maintenance for why they might have more issues than most. Also a streak of bad luck does not help either

User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13322 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 7):
Kalitta flies older than most aircraft.

Are you really sure about this? - Im not asking a rhetorical question. They''re certainly older planes compared to those you'd see in a pax fleet, but how do they stack up in terms of age against Atlas, Polar Air Cargo, DHL and other pure cargo carriers?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13273 times:



Quoting Tavong (Thread starter):
Please share your opinions

Well... since I can't read Spanish I really have no opinion yet.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13247 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Well... since I can't read Spanish I really have no opinion yet.

Try babelfish.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13144 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 8):
Are you really sure about this? - Im not asking a rhetorical question. They''re certainly older planes compared to those you'd see in a pax fleet, but how do they stack up in terms of age against Atlas, Polar Air Cargo, DHL and other pure cargo carriers?

atlas and polar for the most part got rid of their classics except for I believe 2-4. That makes up Kalittas entire fleet except their 1 running -400BCF and delivery of another one soon. DHL does fly some DC-8s but Kalitta doing ad-hoc charter work flies around the world and stays in the air as much as possible. Astar who flies the DC-8s for DHL flies once in the morning for a few hr flight at most and once at night.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

I think if Kalitta hadn't had a crash in Bogota recently, this would not even be news. A problem arose, and it was dealt with. This one cost a little money, but that is all. It is just pilots doing what they are paid to do.


Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13118 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):

Thanks... that is flipping cool......



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13014 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
Thanks... that is flipping cool......

You're welcome! Its also good for a few chuckles Big grin


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12999 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):

Forgot about the Angle Flight that crashed at BOS last week.


User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

Lets keep the drama out please, seems like every single thing is being reported nowadays, this was just an emergency, not a big deal please.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12779 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Twin Otter in Guatemala

Actually a Caravan.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12746 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Twin Otter in Guatemala

It was rather a Cessna Caravan 208 belonging to Aero Ruta Maya covering the domestic route: Guatemala City - El Estor, Izabal.
Ten fatalities were reported.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12589 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 11):
That makes up Kalittas entire fleet except their 1 running -400BCF and delivery of another one soon.

Before you jump on K4---get it right, they have 2 400's....


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12449 times:



Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1):
Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self

I don't know about CK, but nothing is up with aviation itself. There are a lot more planes flying than there used to be, so it's not surprising that the raw total of incidents is up also.

But in terms of percentage, they are way down. In other words, the rate of accidents, per miles/flights/passengers flown is far better than it used to be. About five times better, globally, than it was in 1980 -- with *double* the number of planes flying.

That's pretty impressive... and seldom acknowledged.

PS



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1007 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12268 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
As I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone.

There is a significant difference between general aviation and commercial aviation! I assume yo don't want to tell me that people die in *commercial* aircraft accidents almost every day, let alone in the US!

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11273 times:



Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 21):
There is a significant difference between general aviation and commercial aviation! I assume yo don't want to tell me that people die in *commercial* aircraft accidents almost every day, let alone in the US!

No one died in these incidents:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
Aires Dash 8
Dolomiti ATR
Spanair emergency landing
Ryainair (Dont know exactly)
Kalita...... (even worse, 3rd faul in 3 months or so?)

Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self

Much ado about nothing. COMMERCIAL aircraft declare emergencies and make unscheduled landings almost every day.

I stand by my statement.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10223 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 7):
Kalitta flies older than most aircraft. It has nothing to do with bad maintenance for why they might have more issues than most. Also a streak of bad luck does not help either

 checkmark  I bet if we looked at the reliability numbers across the board for 2nd life of aircraft like freighters then you will see a major jump in the numbers. If those frame conversions were still worth a darn they'd still be flying commercial instead of flowers from BOG.

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):
Try babelfish.

Careful with these online translators. They are about 60% accurate on a good day.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9923 times:



Quoting Bingo (Reply 23):
I bet if we looked at the reliability numbers across the board for 2nd life of aircraft like freighters then you will see a major jump in the numbers. If those frame conversions were still worth a darn they'd still be flying commercial instead of flowers from BOG.

 redflag 

Negative.

DC-3's are still flying cargo perfectly safe.

An aircraft's "life" is economically driven. Older planes are more difficult to maintain but it doesn't mean they can't be maintained to the same level as a newer one--the difference is in the costs...among many other variables.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
25 413X3 : i never "jumped" on anyone. is their 2nd bcf flying? last time I checked it was in delivery registration but I could be wrong. It wasn't meant to be
26 Cumulus : Decompression.....................
27 GlobeEx : Add AF 744 in YUL to that yesterday. Skid of the runway.
28 ZKEOJ : You stand by your statement that people die in aircraft accidents almost every day in the US alone - and that related to COMMERCIAL aircraft? Wow - I
29 JBirdAV8r : Okie dokie. I believe you don't understand what I said. I said: Meaning I don't understand the big deal with this list people gave: No one died in th
30 JBirdAV8r : You have a break. What difference does "all the way around the world" make? And a good number of those DC-3's fly 8 hours a day in some of the harshe
31 413X3 : what flight levels are they at? what type of environmental extremes are they in? do they see the cold of alaska one hour then later on the same day th
32 JBirdAV8r : Since it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to call this discussion closed. Thanks for playing, though.
33 Aviateur : Huh? Are you kidding? I think you are lumping general aviation (private plane) fatalities in with commercial, which is the ultimate apples-and-orange
34 Viscount724 : I expect the poster's comment re the fact that fatal aircraft accidents (including general aviation) occur almost daily in the U.S. (and of course el
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