Boeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 12390 times:
Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1): Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self
Its becoming a dog-eat-dog world out there and fuel price hikes dont help. Its not that operators (at least the more rpubtable ones) are actually cutting costs on maintainance, but they are probably not spending any more than they absolutely have to in terms of going that extra mile to ensure a degree of safety well above and beyond the minimum regs.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 12228 times:
Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1): Darn, this is not good in the aviation business at all.....
Spanair MAD
737 in Middle East
Twin Otter in Guatemala
Aires Dash 8
Dolomiti ATR
Spanair emergency landing
Ryainair (Dont know exactly)
Kalita...... (even worse, 3rd faul in 3 months or so?)
Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self
As I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone. You're only hearing about all these "emergency landings" because it's the topic du jour after the Spanair crash.
Typhaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 12040 times:
The moderators might want to fix the thread title so that Kalitta is spelled correctly...
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4): s I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone. You're only hearing about all these "emergency landings" because it's the topic du jour after the Spanair crash.
I agree. Think of all of the IFSDs that WN goes through in a year that result in ATBs or diversions that dont get reported. And I am not picking on WN, just saying that with 500 airplanes, I bet they go through a few. Yet we hear about none.
Though Kalitta has been in an unlucky streak. Sometimes its your turn in the hole. Assuming that these are just random acts of maintenance and not the fault of the organization...that is.
For some, the sky is the limit. For us, it is only the beginning... -- Jack Hunt
413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 12033 times:
Kalitta flies older than most aircraft. It has nothing to do with bad maintenance for why they might have more issues than most. Also a streak of bad luck does not help either
Boeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11878 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 7): Kalitta flies older than most aircraft.
Are you really sure about this? - Im not asking a rhetorical question. They''re certainly older planes compared to those you'd see in a pax fleet, but how do they stack up in terms of age against Atlas, Polar Air Cargo, DHL and other pure cargo carriers?
413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11700 times:
Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 8): Are you really sure about this? - Im not asking a rhetorical question. They''re certainly older planes compared to those you'd see in a pax fleet, but how do they stack up in terms of age against Atlas, Polar Air Cargo, DHL and other pure cargo carriers?
atlas and polar for the most part got rid of their classics except for I believe 2-4. That makes up Kalittas entire fleet except their 1 running -400BCF and delivery of another one soon. DHL does fly some DC-8s but Kalitta doing ad-hoc charter work flies around the world and stays in the air as much as possible. Astar who flies the DC-8s for DHL flies once in the morning for a few hr flight at most and once at night.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11700 times:
I think if Kalitta hadn't had a crash in Bogota recently, this would not even be news. A problem arose, and it was dealt with. This one cost a little money, but that is all. It is just pilots doing what they are paid to do.
It was rather a Cessna Caravan 208 belonging to Aero Ruta Maya covering the domestic route: Guatemala City - El Estor, Izabal.
Ten fatalities were reported.
Aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1346 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 11005 times:
Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 1): Whats up with kalitta!? And with aviation its self
I don't know about CK, but nothing is up with aviation itself. There are a lot more planes flying than there used to be, so it's not surprising that the raw total of incidents is up also.
But in terms of percentage, they are way down. In other words, the rate of accidents, per miles/flights/passengers flown is far better than it used to be. About five times better, globally, than it was in 1980 -- with *double* the number of planes flying.
That's pretty impressive... and seldom acknowledged.
PS
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
ZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 924 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 10824 times:
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4): As I mentioned the other day, people die in aircraft accidents almost every single day in just the United States alone.
There is a significant difference between general aviation and commercial aviation! I assume yo don't want to tell me that people die in *commercial* aircraft accidents almost every day, let alone in the US!
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 9829 times:
Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 21): There is a significant difference between general aviation and commercial aviation! I assume yo don't want to tell me that people die in *commercial* aircraft accidents almost every day, let alone in the US!
Bingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 8779 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 7): Kalitta flies older than most aircraft. It has nothing to do with bad maintenance for why they might have more issues than most. Also a streak of bad luck does not help either
I bet if we looked at the reliability numbers across the board for 2nd life of aircraft like freighters then you will see a major jump in the numbers. If those frame conversions were still worth a darn they'd still be flying commercial instead of flowers from BOG.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 8479 times:
Quoting Bingo (Reply 23): I bet if we looked at the reliability numbers across the board for 2nd life of aircraft like freighters then you will see a major jump in the numbers. If those frame conversions were still worth a darn they'd still be flying commercial instead of flowers from BOG.
Negative.
DC-3's are still flying cargo perfectly safe.
An aircraft's "life" is economically driven. Older planes are more difficult to maintain but it doesn't mean they can't be maintained to the same level as a newer one--the difference is in the costs...among many other variables.
I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
25 413X3: i never "jumped" on anyone. is their 2nd bcf flying? last time I checked it was in delivery registration but I could be wrong. It wasn't meant to be
27 GlobeEx: Add AF 744 in YUL to that yesterday. Skid of the runway.
28 ZKEOJ: You stand by your statement that people die in aircraft accidents almost every day in the US alone - and that related to COMMERCIAL aircraft? Wow - I
29 JBirdAV8r: Okie dokie. I believe you don't understand what I said. I said: Meaning I don't understand the big deal with this list people gave: No one died in th
30 JBirdAV8r: You have a break. What difference does "all the way around the world" make? And a good number of those DC-3's fly 8 hours a day in some of the harshe
31 413X3: what flight levels are they at? what type of environmental extremes are they in? do they see the cold of alaska one hour then later on the same day th
32 JBirdAV8r: Since it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm going to call this discussion closed. Thanks for playing, though.
33 Aviateur: Huh? Are you kidding? I think you are lumping general aviation (private plane) fatalities in with commercial, which is the ultimate apples-and-orange
34 Viscount724: I expect the poster's comment re the fact that fatal aircraft accidents (including general aviation) occur almost daily in the U.S. (and of course el
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I bet if we looked at the reliability numbers across the board for 2nd life of aircraft like freighters then you will see a major jump in the numbers. If those frame conversions were still worth a darn they'd still be flying commercial instead of flowers from BOG. 
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